Exactly 24 Hours. Is It a Stopover?
Oct 17, 2012 | 3:06 pm
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Exactly 24 Hours. Is It a Stopover?
If you have flight that arrives at 7:55 PM on one day and another that
leaves at 7:55 PM the next day... is it considered 24 hours and thus a
layover?
leaves at 7:55 PM the next day... is it considered 24 hours and thus a
layover?
Oct 17, 2012 | 4:54 pm
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It's a real YMMV on this. Some state one-way, some stay the other.
My one experience with such on a LONE4 had us scheduled to arrive on BA into LHR from ORD at 10am and departing for DBV from LGW at 10am the next day.
It was ticketed by AA as a transit (-ORD-xLON-DBV-).
Even with this AA can be non specific. e.g. http://www.aa.com/i18n/Tariffs/AA1.h...IRY_AA1-0135AA
My one experience with such on a LONE4 had us scheduled to arrive on BA into LHR from ORD at 10am and departing for DBV from LGW at 10am the next day.
It was ticketed by AA as a transit (-ORD-xLON-DBV-).
Even with this AA can be non specific. e.g. http://www.aa.com/i18n/Tariffs/AA1.h...IRY_AA1-0135AA
Originally Posted by definitions
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Transit Point means any stop at an intermediate point on the route to be traveled (whether or not a change of planes is made) which does not fall within the definition of a stopover.
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Stopover means (Not applicable between points in Canada and points in Puerto Rico/Virgin Islands) a deliberate interruption of a journey at an intermediate point from which the passenger is not scheduled to depart within 24 hours of arrival.
Transit Point means any stop at an intermediate point on the route to be traveled (whether or not a change of planes is made) which does not fall within the definition of a stopover.
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Stopover means (Not applicable between points in Canada and points in Puerto Rico/Virgin Islands) a deliberate interruption of a journey at an intermediate point from which the passenger is not scheduled to depart within 24 hours of arrival.
Originally Posted by 78.2
For the purpose of this rule "Stopover" means: A deliberate interruption of a journey at an intermediate point from which the passenger is scheduled to depart later than 24 hours after arrival. (Local time)
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Oct 18, 2012 | 6:08 am
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The first no (within 24 hours) - as it refers to periods shorter than 24 hours, not exactly 24 hours; the second, yes (later than 24 hours).
Since the second does not contradict the first then I guess 24 hours or less represents a transit in AA's vocabulary.
Since the second does not contradict the first then I guess 24 hours or less represents a transit in AA's vocabulary.
Oct 18, 2012 | 10:52 am
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I will let y'all know how this goes. Cathay will be doing the ticketing as they have the first over water segment.
Oct 18, 2012 | 10:18 pm
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The reservation system indicates that transit is =<24 hrs.
The "*" means that it is considered a "married segment" (which is for transits only) and the fare calculation also shows HKG as "X" (transit).
Code:
1 KA 489B 01DEC 6 TPEHKG*SS1 0800 1000 /DCKA /E
2 KA 876B 02DEC 7 HKGPVG*SS1 1000 1220 /DCKA /E
WP
PSGR TYPE ADT - 01
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
TPE
XHKG KA B 01DEC BOWTW 31DEC 20K
SHA KA B 02DEC BOWTW 01DEC 20K
FARE TWD 10717
TAX TWD 300TW TWD 456HK TWD 1844YR
TOTAL TWD 13317
ADT-01 BOWTW
TPE KA X/HKG KA SHA Q4.25 355.65NUC359.90END ROE29.776
ENDOS*SEG1/2*NONEND/RRTE/VLD TPE DEP/ON/B4 31DEC12/S/O HKG FREE
ATTN*PRIVATE FARE APPLIED - CHECK RULES FOR CORRECT TICKETING
ATTN*PRIVATE
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER - KA
Oct 19, 2012 | 12:45 pm
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The /X in the fare construction instead does positively indicate that this was a transit for fare construction purposes.
Oct 20, 2012 | 11:48 pm
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Married connections are airline-specific and have nothing to do with IATA fare construction rules. You should never imply anything from a married segment indicator other than a cancellation that does not involve the full O&D is subject to there being O&D availability on the remaining segments.
Oct 20, 2012 | 11:52 pm
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IMO it should be MCT + 24 hours, so that it clearly is just a transit if you are unable to take a once-a-day flight due to MCT rules.
Oct 21, 2012 | 1:39 pm
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Code:
1 KA5463Y 01DEC 6 TPEHKG SS1 0610 0755 /DCKA /E
OPERATED BY CATHAY PACIFIC AIRWAYS
2 KA 802Y 02DEC 7 HKGPVG SS1 0800 1020 /DCKA /E
WP
PSGR TYPE ADT - 01
CXR RES DATE FARE BASIS NVB NVA BG
TPE
HKG KA Y 01DEC YOW3 01DEC 20K
SHA KA Y 02DEC YOW2 01DEC 20K
FARE TWD 20984
TAX TWD 300TW TWD 456HK TWD 1844YR
TOTAL TWD 23584
ADT-01 YOW3 YOW2
TPE KA HKG406.53KA SHA Q4.25 293.95NUC704.73END ROE29.776
ENDOS*SEG2*T1
ATTN*VALIDATING CARRIER - KA
Oct 22, 2012 | 8:51 pm
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I have never seen them either, but there's nothing that says "can never apply". Married segments is a policy that individual airlines apply out of their own PSS to their own reservations, completely outside of IATA or any other standard body. That's why you don't see (at least as of now) married segments on interline reservations.
Oct 22, 2012 | 8:59 pm
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If there are no outgoing flights within the 24 hour timeframe, then it is not a deliberate interruption and therefore it is not a stopover; however, GDSs don't price this automatically (I believe because when they were programmed it would have been too resource-intensive to perform a schedule check), they simply assume that >24 hours is a stopover, so whomever issues the ticket needs to manually override the stopover in the fare calculation/ticketing command. This rarely happens in the developed world, but can happen in remote areas (I've seen it in the Southern Pacific Islands).