Is oneworld alliance going to die!!!
Feb 18, 2012 | 7:08 am
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Some airlines amongst ST and *A are going through a variety of problems, it is not something unique to OW. However I don't believe it signals their demise anytime in the near future.
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Feb 18, 2012 | 9:15 am
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ii]OW will gain even more status in SE Asia as Malaysia Airlines join.
iii]Kingfisher's problem with IATA clearing house are over, so it just needs to sign an interline agreement with CX and then it will be in Oneworld very soon*, giving OW status in India. While many have been talking about how while the other alliances have status in domestic China which OW doesn't have, OW would have status in domestic India which none of the other alliances have.
* - Kingfisher have other economic problems, which would improve once they join Oneworld, but there is a small, but present possibility that they cease operation temporarily or ground aircraft temporarily, actions which could lead CX to refuse to re-sign the interline agreement. If IT's membership is postponed further than 2012, then it may give up and cease operations permanently, because OW membership in the near future is currently 1 of only 3 hopes that are keeping it alive.
Feb 18, 2012 | 9:27 am
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Agreed. While a number of oneworld carriers are hitting a serious rough patch, this is more indicative of the industry as a whole, not just oneworld itself. LATAM is going to be an absolute juggernaut in S. America, while Cathay and JAL will be strong anchors for the Asian front. IAG are one of the few (only?) groups in Europe that are in good shape and in a buying mood. Things will change, but oneworld will still survive.
Feb 18, 2012 | 9:28 am
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iii]Kingfisher's problem with IATA clearing house are over, so it just needs to sign an interline agreement with CX and then it will be in Oneworld very soon*, giving OW status in India. While many have been talking about how while the other alliances have status in domestic China which OW doesn't have, OW would have status in domestic India which none of the other alliances have.
* - Kingfisher have other economic problems, which would improve once they join Oneworld, but there is a small, but present possibility that they cease operation temporarily or ground aircraft temporarily, actions which could lead CX to refuse to re-sign the interline agreement. If IT's membership is postponed further than 2012, then it may give up and cease operations permanently, because OW membership in the near future is currently 1 of only 3 hopes that are keeping it alive.
* - Kingfisher have other economic problems, which would improve once they join Oneworld, but there is a small, but present possibility that they cease operation temporarily or ground aircraft temporarily, actions which could lead CX to refuse to re-sign the interline agreement. If IT's membership is postponed further than 2012, then it may give up and cease operations permanently, because OW membership in the near future is currently 1 of only 3 hopes that are keeping it alive.
Feb 18, 2012 | 11:02 am
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But I can see what you're saying happening as well.
Feb 18, 2012 | 11:08 am
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Agreed. While a number of oneworld carriers are hitting a serious rough patch, this is more indicative of the industry as a whole, not just oneworld itself. LATAM is going to be an absolute juggernaut in S. America, while Cathay and JAL will be strong anchors for the Asian front. IAG are one of the few (only?) groups in Europe that are in good shape and in a buying mood. Things will change, but oneworld will still survive.
Feb 19, 2012 | 4:09 am
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Feb 19, 2012 | 7:44 pm
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Feb 19, 2012 | 7:50 pm
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Feb 20, 2012 | 4:28 pm
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Attempts were made that had US being worked into a combination with UA during the Clinton Administration. "DC Air" was to be the carve out given to an area business big whig as a way to try to get it approved by the Clinton DoJ. Now US-AA may make more sense as a pursuit than even that aborted combination from two Administrations back.
I doubt that Oneworld is going to die anytime soon, much as I doubt that US is going to be around Star Alliance for another decade.
I doubt that Oneworld is going to die anytime soon, much as I doubt that US is going to be around Star Alliance for another decade.
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Feb 20, 2012 | 10:29 pm
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They are not bankrupt, they are in bankruptcy protection. They will emerge from Chapter 11 slightly smaller, right before they start getting their new short haul fleet of 460 aircraft and will be better placed to compete with UA and DL. Most of the reason they have gone from biggest to third is because UA ate CO and DL ate NW.
QF and CX not working well together isn't because QF doesn't want to, its CX being CX. It is annoying that JQ appears to be slowly replacing QF, they should be complimenting each other not have the cheaper one eat away at the other. Most of the problems QF has is because of the unions and Australian government. If a few people grew some brains, things should get a bit better. Although some of the actions of the current and previous CEOs have been a bit questionable, the delays to the 787 and A380 haven't helped. QF has added new destinations, DFW and SCL (though at the cost of SFO and EZE). Having JQ/3K join OW would be useful and QF should improve, provided they can survive the next few years.
All of India's airlines are having major problems. If the Indian Government doesn't step in and do something soon, most of India's airlines will die. Though the governments ownership of AI doesn't help here.
Why would CX leave OW?
Thanks to merger conditions placed on them by the local regulators, Lan and Tam's choices are to go with Oneworld or no one. One regulator said must go with Star or OW, the other said they can't be in the same alliance as Avianca (star).
Hainan's market is not the same as CXs. CX/KA does not operate mainland china domestic flights. HU does. CX doesn't want HU in oneworld because of their connection to HX. The other mainland carriers aren't an option. CX thinks that Chinese domestic pax should just connect through HKG.
Star Alliance and SkyTeam airlines are having just as many problems as OneWorld carriers.
QF and CX not working well together isn't because QF doesn't want to, its CX being CX. It is annoying that JQ appears to be slowly replacing QF, they should be complimenting each other not have the cheaper one eat away at the other. Most of the problems QF has is because of the unions and Australian government. If a few people grew some brains, things should get a bit better. Although some of the actions of the current and previous CEOs have been a bit questionable, the delays to the 787 and A380 haven't helped. QF has added new destinations, DFW and SCL (though at the cost of SFO and EZE). Having JQ/3K join OW would be useful and QF should improve, provided they can survive the next few years.
All of India's airlines are having major problems. If the Indian Government doesn't step in and do something soon, most of India's airlines will die. Though the governments ownership of AI doesn't help here.
Why would CX leave OW?
Thanks to merger conditions placed on them by the local regulators, Lan and Tam's choices are to go with Oneworld or no one. One regulator said must go with Star or OW, the other said they can't be in the same alliance as Avianca (star).
Hainan's market is not the same as CXs. CX/KA does not operate mainland china domestic flights. HU does. CX doesn't want HU in oneworld because of their connection to HX. The other mainland carriers aren't an option. CX thinks that Chinese domestic pax should just connect through HKG.
Star Alliance and SkyTeam airlines are having just as many problems as OneWorld carriers.
And I am positive QF qill survive.
Feb 21, 2012 | 4:15 am
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