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avidflyer Jul 29, 2007 2:59 pm


Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero (Post 8139170)
I think if you like SWUs it would be a good investment. I made sure that I had 160k EQM booked this year because of this promotion. I'll pass 120k next week, but not sure if I want to use a SWU for the return ex OTP.

Ah, but you could be the Guinea Pig for 2 things: 1. How easy are they to use? and 2. How easy are they to cancel? I was a little freaked the first time I saw the BBQ'ed Guinea Pig myself....yum.

youngbru Jul 29, 2007 3:05 pm


Originally Posted by nroscoe (Post 8138872)
does anyone know how long the SWU's are valid? ie: year from issue?

I redeemed my Level 4 award for the 2 SWUs on 7/10 and received the e-mail on 7/13 with my cert numbers. They had an expiration date of 11/12/08. I have already redeemed them for a trip to Berlin in Aug/Sept which is why I selected so early. Redemption was very smooth. I had a non-full fare "B" fare there and a "Q" fare return. Neither was upgradeable with mile at the time due to availablitiy although theoretically the B fare could have been upgraded for 30k mi.

RobOnLI Jul 29, 2007 8:42 pm


Originally Posted by youngbru (Post 8139368)
I redeemed my Level 4 award for the 2 SWUs on 7/10 and received the e-mail on 7/13 with my cert numbers. They had an expiration date of 11/12/08. I have already redeemed them for a trip to Berlin in Aug/Sept which is why I selected so early. Redemption was very smooth. I had a non-full fare "B" fare there and a "Q" fare return. Neither was upgradeable with mile at the time due to availablitiy although theoretically the B fare could have been upgraded for 30k mi.

There you have it. You can use the SWU's to upgrade cheap-o coach fares. Sounds like YoungBru had no problem using an SWU on the "Q" return portion of his Berlin trip.


Originally Posted by avidflyer (Post 8139330)
Ah, but you could be the Guinea Pig for 2 things: 1. How easy are they to use? and 2. How easy are they to cancel? I was a little freaked the first time I saw the BBQ'ed Guinea Pig myself....yum.

Regarding #2 - the T&C's are pretty clear.
"
Changes/Refunds - Any refund or cancellation will result in the loss of the upgrade certificate. Voluntary itinerary changes are permitted per rules of the fare purchased, but upgrade is not guaranteed and will depend on availability and these Terms & Conditions. All reissues must be completed by NWA Reservations or MLT. If you are re-accommodated on another carrier, you will be seated in Coach Class."
If you cancel or refund your ticket, the SWU goes away with it and you don't get it back. However, NW will try to accommodate you in "C" if you change your ticket. What's not clear is what happens if you change your ticket and you are unable to use the SWU on the new ticket. To me it sounds like you have lost that SWU and you are S.O.L.

-RM

itsaboutthejourney Jul 30, 2007 1:43 am


Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero (Post 8139170)
I think if you like SWUs it would be a good investment.


Originally Posted by youngbru (Post 8139368)
I redeemed my Level 4 award for the 2 SWUs on 7/10 and received the e-mail on 7/13 with my cert numbers. They had an expiration date of 11/12/08. .... Redemption was very smooth.

thanks for the replies! I realized that with my 107K + 2,500 EQM from the 60K level I'm even closer to the SWU's if I go for 120k.

Jaimito Cartero Jul 30, 2007 2:29 am


Originally Posted by nroscoe (Post 8141409)
thanks for the replies! I realized that with my 107K + 2,500 EQM from the 60K level I'm even closer to the SWU's if I go for 120k.

I value the SWUs at about $500-$800 each, although that depends on what type of routing you're trying to redeem them on. For some routes, they could save you $2000-$4000 over the cheapest coach ticket, each way.

stephem Sep 11, 2007 8:17 am

Must use by dates and US vs Asia terms of SWUs
 
I noticed a few interesting things about the expiration dates of the top level (160k) options, as well as some subtle differences in the terms&conditions for the SWUs for Asia vs. US residents.

Expiration Dates:
The 50% off perkpass WBC award is worth 120K miles, it would be a great value, except one thing... all travel must be completed by May 31, 2008 What??? That's terrible, most of the other awards, including the SWUs are valid for up to one year after selection (and you can make your selection up until Feb 29, 2008). So the SWUs are good until Feb 28, 2009 if you wait to make your selection.

US vs. Asia Terms for SWUs:
The two main differences have to do with the Transferability and Routing provisions. I think the difference in the Transferability is just a mistake, but maybe not... the Asia one suggests if you get the Cert issued without a name on it that it might be transferable (but I seem to think this is just a poor translation or wording). The routing rules kinda stink for Asia residents, limiting this to effectively a Asia-US and return upgrade via the Pacific on NW metal only. The US routing rules allow Europe, Mid-east, India and Africa routings (as well as Asia) including on KL metal. The highest value I can seem to find is SEA-JNB, where the lowest fare is $2k less than the regularly upgradeable fares. The Asia-US values arent really that good as there are plenty of $2k-ish Y fares out of Asia and the cheapos are really only at most $1k less. I would say that between the lower fare class and the fact that these so easily book into C (as opposed to Z or U), 4 of these used SEA-JNB are "worth" thousands of dollars, perhaps saving you $14k (yes I said $14000), which is the fare difference between 2 RT C tix and 2 RT V tix. Bottom line- I'm probably saving these until we move back to the US for a trip to Africa...

Here are the terms in case anyone is interested:
Transferability -
USA terms
Certificates will be associated with an individual's name, therefore cannot be transferred to another passenger. Exception: The certificate may be used by a different person as long as the original recipient is traveling with that person in the same reservation. The certificate may only be used by one person in a reservation. Certificates may not be transferred for cash or any other consideration. Purchased/auctioned certificates are subject to confiscation and travel will not be permitted.
ASIA terms
The certificate is transferable only if it is not associated with an individual's name. Exception: If the certificate is issued in an individual's name, the certificate may be used by a different person as long as the original recipient is traveling with that person in the same reservation. The certificate may only be used by one person in a reservation. Certificates may not be transferred for cash or any other consideration. Purchased/auctioned certificates are subject to confiscation and travel will not be permitted.
(my emphasis)
Routing -
USA terms
All travel must be via the routes of NW/KL in which NW/KL publishes fares. Fares to/from Japan, Asia and Micronesia are valid via Northwest's transpacific flights only. KLM designated/operated flights are only permitted on flights to/from Europe, India, Africa and the Middle East. NW/KL schedules are not guaranteed and are subject to change without notice. If passenger is rerouted to another carrier, the upgrade will not be honored.
ASIA terms:
All travel must be via the routes of NW in which NW publishes fares. Fares to/from Japan, Asia and Micronesia are valid via Northwest's transpacific flights only. NW schedules are not guaranteed and are subject to change without notice. If passenger is rerouted to another carrier, the upgrade will not be honored.
(my emphasis)

ffj Oct 16, 2007 8:21 am

Can you use the 2500 EQMs from the first level at 60K to push yourself into the second level qualification at 90K? So if you have 88K EQM, and use the 2500 EQM award, would it give you 90.5K EQM, and hence, the second tier (90K EQM) award?

Blank Sheet Oct 16, 2007 8:59 am


Originally Posted by ffj
Can you use the 2500 EQMs from the first level at 60K to push yourself into the second level qualification at 90K? So if you have 88K EQM, and use the 2500 EQM award, would it give you 90.5K EQM, and hence, the second tier (90K EQM) award?

Yes.

mbrat100 Oct 16, 2007 3:54 pm

I've received this award too. I'm holding off on my selection until I get closer to December. Earlier I was waiting to see if I'd need the 2500 miles to requal for plat. As it looks now, I'll be at about 100k. I'll probably get worldclub passes for my wife when she travels. :D

ksucats Nov 15, 2007 8:15 pm


Originally Posted by mbrat100 (Post 8570491)
I'll probably get worldclub passes for my wife when she travels. :D

Do you know if that will work? The T&C's say that the passes are nontransferable. I was going to do the same thing. I already have a membership, so obviously the passes do me no good unless I can give them to my wife for her one trip without me next year. The EQM's do me no good, since I qualify on segments and will be nowhere close to the next level. (I really wish NWA would show a little more love to the segment qualifier like UA does.)

ksucats Nov 20, 2007 12:52 pm


Originally Posted by ksucats (Post 8738475)
Do you know if that will work? The T&C's say that the passes are nontransferable. I was going to do the same thing. I already have a membership, so obviously the passes do me no good unless I can give them to my wife for her one trip without me next year. The EQM's do me no good, since I qualify on segments and will be nowhere close to the next level. (I really wish NWA would show a little more love to the segment qualifier like UA does.)

Bump

Does anybody know if it is possible for my wife to use the club pass if I choose that option?

seoulmanjr Nov 20, 2007 12:55 pm


Originally Posted by ksucats (Post 8763204)
Bump

Does anybody know if it is possible for my wife to use the club pass if I choose that option?

My guess is that the passes have your NW FF# printed on the back. So she may or may not hae success using yours. A different story entirely, but I've been able to use non-transferrable US Air passes with someone else's name printed on them. I'm guessing hte ultimate answer is YMMV. Some lounge gatekeepers may care and some may not.

peace,
~Ben~

youngbru Nov 20, 2007 12:59 pm


Originally Posted by ksucats (Post 8763204)
Does anybody know if it is possible for my wife to use the club pass if I choose that option?

I have one in front of me and it should be no problem to give it to someone else to use. While it has my WP number on the card, nowhere does it say that it is not transferable and it actually has a place for another WP number to be written in by hand.

I used my first one a while back and they asked for no ID of any kind. Just took the card and said welcome (I was in NRT travelling on a UA ticket).

ksucats Nov 20, 2007 1:02 pm


Originally Posted by youngbru (Post 8763249)
I have one in front of me and it should be no problem to give it to someone else to use. While it has my WP number on the card, nowhere does it say that it is not transferable and it actually has a place for another WP number to be written in by hand.

I used my first one a while back and they asked for no ID of any kind. Just took the card and said welcome (I was in NRT travelling on a UA ticket).

Great. Thanks. The other options are useless to me. This one looks to have some benefit.

youngbru Nov 20, 2007 1:21 pm


Originally Posted by ksucats (Post 8763274)
Great. Thanks. The other options are useless to me. This one looks to have some benefit.

Exactly the same for me. I let my WC membership lapse for a few months since I was mostly flying interational and used the coupons to tide me over on my domestic flights (and intl flights on UA:cool:).


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