Changes to Worldperks program 2005
Nov 18, 2004 | 5:59 am
#91
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Originally Posted by Jaimito Cartero
I know that whenever I change a reward ticket, the miles are redeposited into my account, and then taken out again. From this, I'd say that if change it, you'll be charged the difference.
However, booking before the effective date (Mar 05) for a flight past this date triggers the old charges.
Nov 18, 2004 | 6:58 am
#92
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I hope everyone is sending in comments through the "talk to us" page -- that's the feedback that NW needs to know it matters.
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Nov 18, 2004 | 10:09 am
#93
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Originally Posted by jiburi
EQM: ADVANTAGE NW
As an elite, UA provides 100% EQM, just like NW, but platinum requalification is 75,000 with NW, 100,000 with UA. The only spoilers to NW's 100% EQM policy is Continental and Delta's 50% policy on deeply discounted tickets. I must add that UA does have a fee based "double EQM" promotion going on right now though. (This promotion can be a major heartbreaker to fee paying double EQM'ers if UA decide to change mileage redemption levels)
As an elite, UA provides 100% EQM, just like NW, but platinum requalification is 75,000 with NW, 100,000 with UA. The only spoilers to NW's 100% EQM policy is Continental and Delta's 50% policy on deeply discounted tickets. I must add that UA does have a fee based "double EQM" promotion going on right now though. (This promotion can be a major heartbreaker to fee paying double EQM'ers if UA decide to change mileage redemption levels)
MILEAGE REDEMPTION: Advantage UA for 2005 non-elites, Draw for Elites
Since Non-elites don't see any additional bonus miles, United is probably the winner (for 2005) with its lower award level. United, however, hasn't announced changes for 2005. For the 2004 levels, I think UA and NW is a draw. For frequent flyers, however, it would be a wash. NW provides more mileage earning opportunties(flown miles, bonus elite miles and non-flown promotion) than UA, but due to an upcoming 2005 increase in redemption level, NW elites may need to cough up more miles. UA hasn't announced any award changes yet, but despite its current lower redemption levels, United doesn't give out as much elite bonus miles as NW. In addition, United has less "non-flight" bonus miles earning opportunities.
Since Non-elites don't see any additional bonus miles, United is probably the winner (for 2005) with its lower award level. United, however, hasn't announced changes for 2005. For the 2004 levels, I think UA and NW is a draw. For frequent flyers, however, it would be a wash. NW provides more mileage earning opportunties(flown miles, bonus elite miles and non-flown promotion) than UA, but due to an upcoming 2005 increase in redemption level, NW elites may need to cough up more miles. UA hasn't announced any award changes yet, but despite its current lower redemption levels, United doesn't give out as much elite bonus miles as NW. In addition, United has less "non-flight" bonus miles earning opportunities.
Nov 18, 2004 | 10:48 am
#94
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If you think about the whole "change" more clearly. More EQM = More Elite = Even harder to get award seat. The rules of NW is similar to UA, but UA award get you to all Star alliance Premium Cabin, while NW gets you limited. Also, UA's intra-Aisa award chart is far more reasonable than NW. A First class award from HKG to NRT is still 40,000 miles on UA flights, and they can be quite easily found.
I still have some NW miles on hand, and I don't really plan to fly them anymore in the near future.
I still have some NW miles on hand, and I don't really plan to fly them anymore in the near future.
Nov 18, 2004 | 12:18 pm
#95
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Originally Posted by keithguy
This makes no sense. If both NW and UA both give 100% EQM, how can the conclusion be "ADVANTAGE NW"?
Nov 18, 2004 | 1:07 pm
#96
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Originally Posted by hugochan
Also, UA's intra-Aisa award chart is far more reasonable than NW.
Nov 18, 2004 | 1:15 pm
#97
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Originally Posted by bergamini
Because it takes 25,000 less of them to qualify for the highest level of elite membership.
However, benefits of 1K greatly exceed NW's Plat if you fly international.
How about some nice SWU (system wide free upgrades) certificates to begin with?
Nov 18, 2004 | 2:04 pm
#98
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Agree with all those who consider this a major devaluation. I'm particularly troubled by the lack of Asia-Hawai'i and intra-Asia awards info. All areas except CONUS have taken major hits.
Nov 18, 2004 | 2:49 pm
#99
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Originally Posted by bergamini
Because it takes 25,000 less of them to qualify for the highest level of elite membership.
Nov 18, 2004 | 3:29 pm
#100
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Originally Posted by keithguy
But that really has nothing to do with Elite Qualifying Miles and how they are earned. To compare elite tiers between NW and UA is a whole other subject.
On another note: I assume it's an error, but the new Standard Awards chart lists "N/C" for J awards from US/Caribbean/Mexico/Central America to Hawaii, and "N/A" for F. The current chart says "N/A" for J and 75k for F. Taken literally, that would mean that there are no longer any non-RuleBuster awards to Hawaii from North America.
Last edited by dtremit; Nov 18, 2004 at 3:33 pm
Nov 18, 2004 | 3:43 pm
#101
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Did I read it right that the standard award in the US(49) has doubled to 50,000 miles on Jan 1st and that on March 1st there is no change and it will be $50,000 from now on?
Nov 18, 2004 | 3:46 pm
#102
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Originally Posted by stwayne
Did I read it right that the standard award in the US(49) has doubled to 50,000 miles on Jan 1st and that on March 1st there is no change and it will be $50,000 from now on?
Nov 18, 2004 | 4:02 pm
#103
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Originally Posted by dtremit
Taken out of the context of elite level qualification, a discussion of EQMs is utterly meaningless. They can't be used for anything else.
On another note: I assume it's an error, but the new Standard Awards chart lists "N/C" for J awards from US/Caribbean/Mexico/Central America to Hawaii, and "N/A" for F. The current chart says "N/A" for J and 75k for F. Taken literally, that would mean that there are no longer any non-RuleBuster awards to Hawaii from North America.
On another note: I assume it's an error, but the new Standard Awards chart lists "N/C" for J awards from US/Caribbean/Mexico/Central America to Hawaii, and "N/A" for F. The current chart says "N/A" for J and 75k for F. Taken literally, that would mean that there are no longer any non-RuleBuster awards to Hawaii from North America.
Nov 18, 2004 | 4:08 pm
#104
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Originally Posted by dtremit
Taken out of the context of elite level qualification, a discussion of EQMs is utterly meaningless. They can't be used for anything else.
Nov 18, 2004 | 5:11 pm
#105
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Silly Question:
Does the March 1, 2005 effective date for the higher Asia WBC awards refer to date of travel or date of ticketing?
Also, has anyone noticed the lack of trans-pacific WBC availability in January and February 2005 since this announcement? My online search keeps turning up nothing, even with full date flexibility, to take advantage of the lower mileage requirement. [I've been searching ex-SFO to NRT, TPE, HKG so far and can't find anything, even with full date flexibility]
Does the March 1, 2005 effective date for the higher Asia WBC awards refer to date of travel or date of ticketing?
Also, has anyone noticed the lack of trans-pacific WBC availability in January and February 2005 since this announcement? My online search keeps turning up nothing, even with full date flexibility, to take advantage of the lower mileage requirement. [I've been searching ex-SFO to NRT, TPE, HKG so far and can't find anything, even with full date flexibility]