Changes to Worldperks program 2005
Dec 15, 2004 | 11:00 am
#166
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Originally Posted by honu
I checked the new award schedule again, and there is still no mention of awards between Hawai'i and South Asia or Hawai'i and South Pacific. Does anyone know something about these forgotten categories?
aloha
Dec 16, 2004 | 11:16 am
#167
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Actually, Slippah, I was thinking of the Hawai'i to Micronesia awards (as well as HNL-CNS), all on CO-Air Mike. In the past, it was 40,000 miles for HNL-Micronesia, and (I think) twice as much for HNL-CNS (using NW miles, of course; with onepass miles, it was 40,000). I can't tell how many miles these awards require now.
Dec 18, 2004 | 6:05 pm
#168
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Looks like they've put the charts in a more readable format:
http://www.nwa.com/freqfly/direct/2005charts/index.html
One spot I'm confused: it doesn't show a mileage for US48-MiddleEast in the FC/BF column. Hopefully that's just an oversight and not an indication that CO BF awards to TLV are no longer allowed.
Oh, and honu, looks like your Hawaii to South Asia and South Pacific awards are on the charts now.
http://www.nwa.com/freqfly/direct/2005charts/index.html
One spot I'm confused: it doesn't show a mileage for US48-MiddleEast in the FC/BF column. Hopefully that's just an oversight and not an indication that CO BF awards to TLV are no longer allowed.
Oh, and honu, looks like your Hawaii to South Asia and South Pacific awards are on the charts now.
Dec 19, 2004 | 9:35 am
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Originally Posted by kyushuman
Nobody has mentioned the new split of Asia into North and South zones, like *A and OW. Not a good thing. "North Asia" consists of only Japan, Korea, Mongolia, so you'd think that's good, since South Asia is all the rest of Asia, other than Indian subcontinent.
BUT in order to get ANYWHERE in Asia on current Skyteam choices, you'd have to transit in NRT or ICN, thereby incurring a North/South Asia ticket, vs. a simple "within North Asia" or "within South Asia" ticket.
MH is still an option, though not mentioned on the chart. Hope it's still around! Also, China Southern might join at some point too. But nothing yet.
Here's the kicker:
"Flights within or between North Asia and South Asia on Korean Air require 50,000 miles for Coach,*70,000 miles for*Business and*100,000 miles for First Class."
Compare this to the old NW award levels of Y=20K, C=30K, and F=40K. Yuck! Especially on within North Asia--that means the 1hr15min flight ICN-NRT on KE would be 100,000 miles in F. Umm....think I'll pass!
Finally, there is no listing of intra-Asia award levels, other than on KE (and that's in the footnotes). Does that mean that NW/MH awards are still 20/30/40?
I hope so!
BUT in order to get ANYWHERE in Asia on current Skyteam choices, you'd have to transit in NRT or ICN, thereby incurring a North/South Asia ticket, vs. a simple "within North Asia" or "within South Asia" ticket.
MH is still an option, though not mentioned on the chart. Hope it's still around! Also, China Southern might join at some point too. But nothing yet.
Here's the kicker:
"Flights within or between North Asia and South Asia on Korean Air require 50,000 miles for Coach,*70,000 miles for*Business and*100,000 miles for First Class."
Compare this to the old NW award levels of Y=20K, C=30K, and F=40K. Yuck! Especially on within North Asia--that means the 1hr15min flight ICN-NRT on KE would be 100,000 miles in F. Umm....think I'll pass!
Finally, there is no listing of intra-Asia award levels, other than on KE (and that's in the footnotes). Does that mean that NW/MH awards are still 20/30/40?
I hope so!Also, Upgrades from Asia to USA did go up from 25K to 30K OW. Too much!
I ignore KE because of the ridiculous mileage requirements to fly them.... But does anyone see an oversight in the SE Asia-USA footnotes about flying KE? I see they mention that flying KE to Hawaii costs more, as well as intra-Asia, and also to South Pacific. But not to the continental US. So is a KE FC SIN-ICN-JFK only 120K? That would actually be quite good, though I think they have a FC and a "Premium FC", so I'm guessing this is in the non-flat-bed-FC.
MH looks like it's staying at 120K as well for the long haul to the US, also good.
Dec 20, 2004 | 9:19 am
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"Upgrade options are valid on most published fare types ... except for the following: ... U.S. point of sale trans-Pacific fares beginning with H/K/V/Q and H/K/V/Q/M for flights between the U.S. and Hong Kong/China ..."
What I'm curious about though: I bought a K fare ticket IN JAPAN to go to CHINA and return. The restrictions wouldn't seem to apply, but I'm sure there's some catch。
What I'm curious about though: I bought a K fare ticket IN JAPAN to go to CHINA and return. The restrictions wouldn't seem to apply, but I'm sure there's some catch。
Jan 6, 2005 | 10:06 am
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Originally Posted by u2andpj
Here's the interesting part:
All paid fare classes eligible to earn WorldPerks miles on Northwest or any of our Elite Qualifying Airline Partners (Continental Airlines flights in Q, I, S, W, T, X, L classes; Delta Air Lines operated flights are excluded) to count towards your Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS) for the 2006 program year! Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM) required to achieve Elite status will remain the same as in 2004.
All paid fare classes eligible to earn WorldPerks miles on Northwest or any of our Elite Qualifying Airline Partners (Continental Airlines flights in Q, I, S, W, T, X, L classes; Delta Air Lines operated flights are excluded) to count towards your Elite Qualifying Segments (EQS) for the 2006 program year! Elite Qualifying Miles (EQM) required to achieve Elite status will remain the same as in 2004.
DL flight, fare code H = No EQS, only qualifying miles (right?)
CO flight, fare code V = EQS yes/no?, but miles qualify (not sure)
CO flight, fare code T = EQS yes/no?, but miles qualify (not sure)
Since I have a shot each year at Platinum based upon EQS, but not mileage, any idea which of the CO ticketed flights will qualify for EQS under the 2005 rules?
Thanks.
Jan 9, 2005 | 10:11 am
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inter Asia award mileage
OK, this is strange.
How many miles are needed for inter Asia awards? I tried some arbitriary dates and here are the results:
PVG-SIN 20K WSTD 30K DSTD
PVG-SEL/MNL/BKK 40K WSTD 60K DSTD
All flights go through NRT.
Why the difference? I have no explanation about PVG-SIN.......
How many miles are needed for inter Asia awards? I tried some arbitriary dates and here are the results:
PVG-SIN 20K WSTD 30K DSTD
PVG-SEL/MNL/BKK 40K WSTD 60K DSTD
All flights go through NRT.
Why the difference? I have no explanation about PVG-SIN.......
Last edited by BOS-NWA; Jan 10, 2005 at 9:59 am
Jan 9, 2005 | 12:49 pm
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Originally Posted by BOS-NWA
OK, this is strage.
How many miles are needed for inter Asia awards?
How many miles are needed for inter Asia awards?
Jan 9, 2005 | 9:22 pm
#174
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Originally Posted by moondog
if nw publishes a fare in a market, you need one award; otherwise 2 (hence the double redemption values).
Jan 10, 2005 | 2:29 pm
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Originally Posted by keithguy
I don't think so as NW publishes fares for PVG-SEL/MNL/BKK/SIN.
1 Adult fare MR3AP MJWAP
(the former is sha-tyo and the latter tyo-mnl).
Jan 11, 2005 | 4:55 pm
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Can I get to Fiji?
Greetings!
I think I mentioned that my wife is from the Fiji Islands. With the 2005 changes and the new Skyteam Global Alliance, is there a way for me to get a flight from LAX to NAD (Nadi, Fiji) using my WP miles?
I think I mentioned that my wife is from the Fiji Islands. With the 2005 changes and the new Skyteam Global Alliance, is there a way for me to get a flight from LAX to NAD (Nadi, Fiji) using my WP miles?
Jan 12, 2005 | 12:13 pm
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Originally Posted by moondog
that's news to me. whenever i try to price out pvg-mnl online, i get itineraries with 2 fares fused together like this:
1 Adult fare MR3AP MJWAP
(the former is sha-tyo and the latter tyo-mnl).
1 Adult fare MR3AP MJWAP
(the former is sha-tyo and the latter tyo-mnl).
Jan 12, 2005 | 4:01 pm
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Originally Posted by keithguy
The lowest fare may be a combination of two fares, but NW still does publish fares (Y, J, F) in the SHA-MNL market.
can you provide examples? you have piqued my curiosity.
Jan 12, 2005 | 6:25 pm
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Originally Posted by moondog
can you provide examples? you have piqued my curiosity.
Jan 15, 2005 | 5:24 am
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Originally Posted by Poopdeck90210
Greetings!
I think I mentioned that my wife is from the Fiji Islands. With the 2005 changes and the new Skyteam Global Alliance, is there a way for me to get a flight from LAX to NAD (Nadi, Fiji) using my WP miles?
I think I mentioned that my wife is from the Fiji Islands. With the 2005 changes and the new Skyteam Global Alliance, is there a way for me to get a flight from LAX to NAD (Nadi, Fiji) using my WP miles?