Coronavirus in Sweden
Mar 5, 2021, 2:56 pm
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Is that the second shot in Sweden, or a second shot in Denmark?
Sweden is still pushing the "it's fine to go on ski trips" narrative and trying to avoid blaming domestic holiday and vacation travel as fueling the Covid-19 infection situation this quarter. FHM's Sara Byfors for you.
With a mall-wide capacity of 500 customers -- down from a previous 5000 during the pandemic -- and security guards at the entrances/exits to help limit the traffic volume at the mall, I would expect that means that shoplifters are not only fewer in number but also perhaps somewhat more likely to be identified and stopped from entering if they had been given a ban order.
What I found interesting is how much more the ICA at Emporia resulted in a security/ordinance control/police response than Willys at Emporia when it came to shoplifting calls.
Sweden is still pushing the "it's fine to go on ski trips" narrative and trying to avoid blaming domestic holiday and vacation travel as fueling the Covid-19 infection situation this quarter. FHM's Sara Byfors for you.
With a mall-wide capacity of 500 customers -- down from a previous 5000 during the pandemic -- and security guards at the entrances/exits to help limit the traffic volume at the mall, I would expect that means that shoplifters are not only fewer in number but also perhaps somewhat more likely to be identified and stopped from entering if they had been given a ban order.
What I found interesting is how much more the ICA at Emporia resulted in a security/ordinance control/police response than Willys at Emporia when it came to shoplifting calls.
Wouldn't the shoplifters visit both shops? I have seen people got stopped outside Willys but not ICA, no idea if it's because they happened to be there when the guard came.
Mar 6, 2021, 5:17 am
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Few days ago I wrote that masks are gaining some traction in Sweden. This is no longer the case. The same thing happened as with the first mask recommendation: People started to follow it in pretty large numbers, sometimes there would even be more masked than unmasked passengers on a bus, but compliance dropped significantly over a week or two. It is still much higher than it used to be a few months ago, but very low and we can consider Sweden to be mask-free for the time being. There is no social pressure to wear them.
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Mar 6, 2021, 12:53 pm
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Today's demonstraton against the restrictions turned violent after a while.
I think that was expected because the crazies that take part in these demonstrations aren't going to be stopped by logic or by reasoning.
The good thing is that it was only a thousand or so people.
I think that was expected because the crazies that take part in these demonstrations aren't going to be stopped by logic or by reasoning.
The good thing is that it was only a thousand or so people.
Mar 6, 2021, 2:46 pm
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Today's demonstraton against the restrictions turned violent after a while.
I think that was expected because the crazies that take part in these demonstrations aren't going to be stopped by logic or by reasoning.
The good thing is that it was only a thousand or so people.
I think that was expected because the crazies that take part in these demonstrations aren't going to be stopped by logic or by reasoning.
The good thing is that it was only a thousand or so people.
I wonder why the police didn't kick them out from the beginning, there were clearly more than 5/50/500 people there. I was wondering why there's no one took their vacuum cleaners out to protest
Mar 7, 2021, 10:50 am
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https://www.svd.se/covidsparning-sin...-lansgranserna
Virus tracking is apparently impossible or very difficult if people travel across county borders.
I read somewhere that Gekås solved this by splitting the shopping centre in two with a wall between and then they could allow 500 visitors in each half of the shopping centre.
It depends on how fast you drive. If the speed limit is 70 km/h, then there is a difference between driving at 80 km/h and driving at 200 km/h.
It's probably hard to remove them. It requires a lot of policemen and the crowd could turn violent. The guy who organised the demonstration was apparently fined 20,000 kr.
Virus tracking is apparently impossible or very difficult if people travel across county borders.
The Emporia mall in Malmo now has a 500 person capacity restriction for the whole 3+ level place. The Covid-19 capacity restriction for the place was previously 5,000 people. A 500 person capacity equates to something like 160 square meters (or 1,700+ square feet) per person.
It depends on how fast you drive. If the speed limit is 70 km/h, then there is a difference between driving at 80 km/h and driving at 200 km/h.
Looked pretty bad on SVT https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/p...arestriktioner
I wonder why the police didn't kick them out from the beginning, there were clearly more than 5/50/500 people there. I was wondering why there's no one took their vacuum cleaners out to protest
I wonder why the police didn't kick them out from the beginning, there were clearly more than 5/50/500 people there. I was wondering why there's no one took their vacuum cleaners out to protest
Mar 8, 2021, 2:43 am
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The Stockholm protest against Sweden's "too tough" coronavirus rules got rough enough that at least a handful of police officers got injured in ways. It was quite an interesting mix of protestersd. The police didn't let it rip for crowd control purposes. Then again, it's a softer touch the closer you get to nicer neighborhoods or the more it's about protecting nicer neighborhoods and people with whom the police may be more likely to identify as being part of "us".
Herd mentality in action in the country where the pursuit of natural herd immunity has done the damage it has done: when mask sales have gone down substantially across even metropolitan areas of Sweden, sure enough that indicates that mask use had already plummeted in the country. With Swedish travel demand from Skane to Denmark down even further now, Denmark's contribution to mask use in Sweden is also lower because of that.
nacho, the ICA grocery store at Emporia has alarmed anti-shoplifter walk-thru detectors to exit all the staffed check-out counter lanes while the Willys has no such thing. Also, ICA seems to have more staff per shopper on average during most shopping hours. So ICA at Emporia is probably more likely to see shoplifters or have time to suspect shoplifting than is the case at the Willys there.
Emporia mall in Malmo had over 500 people at a time in it on Saturday with no firm enforcement of any capacity restrictions by the mall itself. The Jensens Boefhus restauarant there has partially closed off its main door entrance inside the mall and it's closed enough that it may no longer be considered an entrance since customers no longer really can come in that way. This was done in order to get around the mall restaurant restriction that Sweden has about people sitting together. IT instead has its temporary main entrance being what used to be a door for possible use to escape in case of a fire or for when the restaurant has some outdoor seating. The Vapiano restaurant right across from it in the mall too has done no such thing with closing off its mall entrance. In all cases, all restaurants are now closed at 8:30pm at the latest.
The bizarre outcome from these kind of seating arrangmenet restrictions at mall restaurants and some food court type areas in malls and elsewhere is that some people who socialize closely with each other at their own homes and workplaces are instead spreading out over a greater number of tables to hang out with each other in public. But it does drive down total traffic anyway for mall and food court-type food service in person.
Swedish police at Hyllie are still quite routinely getting people coming from Denmark who aren't admissible to Sweden under Sweden's ban on travel from Denmark. Even as it has not been busy, the police staff for 7 (or even more) people to do the train and train platform passport control check at times. And they are still finding inadmissible stragglers needing a two person escort up and over to the Danish-bound trains. The police are often using gas masks when on the train nowadays. The police at Hyllie most commonly are not doing what the TSA and CBP do in the US: demanding passengers remove masks for screening before allowing them on their way.
Sweden's housing market prices are still hot -- especially hot in and around Malmo when it comes to the big 3 Swedish cities. Prices for homes in the better parts seem to have been rising this quarter too. Why? High building costs -- due to labor cost but also due to a rise in material costs, supply constraints/disruptions and land management policies -- piling onto the impact of a housing supply shortage in the more desirable cities, low interest rates and relatively wealthier people being stuck with more savings than usual. Housing affordability overall has probably gotten worse in Sweden during this pandemic.
Herd mentality in action in the country where the pursuit of natural herd immunity has done the damage it has done: when mask sales have gone down substantially across even metropolitan areas of Sweden, sure enough that indicates that mask use had already plummeted in the country. With Swedish travel demand from Skane to Denmark down even further now, Denmark's contribution to mask use in Sweden is also lower because of that.
nacho, the ICA grocery store at Emporia has alarmed anti-shoplifter walk-thru detectors to exit all the staffed check-out counter lanes while the Willys has no such thing. Also, ICA seems to have more staff per shopper on average during most shopping hours. So ICA at Emporia is probably more likely to see shoplifters or have time to suspect shoplifting than is the case at the Willys there.
Emporia mall in Malmo had over 500 people at a time in it on Saturday with no firm enforcement of any capacity restrictions by the mall itself. The Jensens Boefhus restauarant there has partially closed off its main door entrance inside the mall and it's closed enough that it may no longer be considered an entrance since customers no longer really can come in that way. This was done in order to get around the mall restaurant restriction that Sweden has about people sitting together. IT instead has its temporary main entrance being what used to be a door for possible use to escape in case of a fire or for when the restaurant has some outdoor seating. The Vapiano restaurant right across from it in the mall too has done no such thing with closing off its mall entrance. In all cases, all restaurants are now closed at 8:30pm at the latest.
The bizarre outcome from these kind of seating arrangmenet restrictions at mall restaurants and some food court type areas in malls and elsewhere is that some people who socialize closely with each other at their own homes and workplaces are instead spreading out over a greater number of tables to hang out with each other in public. But it does drive down total traffic anyway for mall and food court-type food service in person.
Swedish police at Hyllie are still quite routinely getting people coming from Denmark who aren't admissible to Sweden under Sweden's ban on travel from Denmark. Even as it has not been busy, the police staff for 7 (or even more) people to do the train and train platform passport control check at times. And they are still finding inadmissible stragglers needing a two person escort up and over to the Danish-bound trains. The police are often using gas masks when on the train nowadays. The police at Hyllie most commonly are not doing what the TSA and CBP do in the US: demanding passengers remove masks for screening before allowing them on their way.
Sweden's housing market prices are still hot -- especially hot in and around Malmo when it comes to the big 3 Swedish cities. Prices for homes in the better parts seem to have been rising this quarter too. Why? High building costs -- due to labor cost but also due to a rise in material costs, supply constraints/disruptions and land management policies -- piling onto the impact of a housing supply shortage in the more desirable cities, low interest rates and relatively wealthier people being stuck with more savings than usual. Housing affordability overall has probably gotten worse in Sweden during this pandemic.
Mar 8, 2021, 3:41 am
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House prices in Sweden has gone wild. A house nearby ours have put on sale, and the bid now is more than 50% of the starting price. Even with prices like this the house is still 1/3 of a price of a house with the same size and age in Malmo. 2M SEK for a piece of 1000sqm land next to a prison 3 years ago is like a joke - but it's not a joke.
I also think there's an element that towns like where I used to live have plenty of Malmo buyers who traded their apartment in Malmo for a house outside. It's not only white that does that, my town has a significant increase with people with MENA background.
At least in Willy's and ICA they haven't locked up all the meat. I notice they put fewer expensive beef out but they loaded salmon full in their fridges even if they are like almost 200kr a piece.
I also think there's an element that towns like where I used to live have plenty of Malmo buyers who traded their apartment in Malmo for a house outside. It's not only white that does that, my town has a significant increase with people with MENA background.
At least in Willy's and ICA they haven't locked up all the meat. I notice they put fewer expensive beef out but they loaded salmon full in their fridges even if they are like almost 200kr a piece.
Mar 8, 2021, 4:30 am
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The Stockholm protest against Sweden's "too tough" coronavirus rules got rough enough that at least a handful of police officers got injured in ways. It was quite an interesting mix of protestersd. The police didn't let it rip for crowd control purposes. Then again, it's a softer touch the closer you get to nicer neighborhoods or the more it's about protecting nicer neighborhoods and people with whom the police may be more likely to identify as being part of "us".
I can't compare but I feel the victim complex.
Mar 8, 2021, 4:35 am
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The pandemic in Sweden hasn't motivated government authorities to get away from dense housing. Instead they seem to be on a push to drive up population density in areas that are even the fields a short walk far from that prison about which nacho speaks. For example, this is getting closer and closer to the Malmo-Vellinge border: https://www.obos.se/hitta-bostad/sok...-malmo-syrenen
Urban and housing planning doesn't seem to have pandemic on its mind in Sweden, but housing prices do.
Swedish police tend to not be so "Fire. Aim. Ready." with force even when things are out of control in the worst neighborhoods. And when things are pretty orderly, they seem more at ease; and that probably helps overall with reduced risk from escalation even if/when things do get out of control and they escalate in ways.
Urban and housing planning doesn't seem to have pandemic on its mind in Sweden, but housing prices do.
Swedish police tend to not be so "Fire. Aim. Ready." with force even when things are out of control in the worst neighborhoods. And when things are pretty orderly, they seem more at ease; and that probably helps overall with reduced risk from escalation even if/when things do get out of control and they escalate in ways.
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Mar 8, 2021, 4:58 am
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It's been like that for at least a decade. People started noticing when other countries had bubbles that burst.
Sweden is different. Considering the fast increase of the population I don't see this as implausible. I'm at the stage where I believe there must be fundamental forces behind or it would have crashed a long time ago. There have been some setbacks at times but this only reinforces that the increase is realistic. If it truly was a bubble it would be violent(with an overreaction) but it's not happening.
Free money for the house owners...
Until it no longer works but I'm not sure that will ever happen. This is like London or something but without the corruption money. It's not really about the pandemic though.
Regarding housing stock I believe it's like this: municipalities sell land to the highest bidder. In order to make it work they will build apartments...
Sweden is different. Considering the fast increase of the population I don't see this as implausible. I'm at the stage where I believe there must be fundamental forces behind or it would have crashed a long time ago. There have been some setbacks at times but this only reinforces that the increase is realistic. If it truly was a bubble it would be violent(with an overreaction) but it's not happening.
Free money for the house owners...
Until it no longer works but I'm not sure that will ever happen. This is like London or something but without the corruption money. It's not really about the pandemic though.
Regarding housing stock I believe it's like this: municipalities sell land to the highest bidder. In order to make it work they will build apartments...
Mar 8, 2021, 5:32 am
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Malmo is the prize-winner:
https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statis...e-price-index/
There's a lot of farm land privately owned in and around Malmo. I tried to encourage someone to put together a group to buy a whole bunch of it but was laughed out of town by the very people who said it would never be allowed to be repurposed. That was close to a decade ago. [It's getting repurposed. 
] Maybe there's still an opportunity to buy Church of Sweden land. I have my eyes on some. And it may be less sensitive than doing an Ebba B when not the Swedish heart and lung association.
Personally, I'm just waiting for those fritids homes/garden colonies in Malmo to be allowed to be repurposed. If nominal and real interest rates are going to be this lousy, may as well lock in a bunch of money into those places for 10-20 years and just wait for the Swedish authorities of relevance to allow for it to be repurposed into expensive apartments or other dense housing stock to boost the number of potential taxpayers.
Sweden's population growth has gotten weaker due to the pandemic. Life expectancy in Sweden is down too -- as in nearly US-level down -- due to the pandemic.
As of March 5th, Sweden's reported Covid-19 death total for the pandemic was 13,003. The past 90 days in Sweden have been very brutal with Covid-19 deaths.
How many thousands of people are on long-term disability because of Covid-19 in Sweden? I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a considerable number too and a very costly one financially.
https://www.scb.se/en/finding-statis...e-price-index/
It's been like that for at least a decade. People started noticing when other countries had bubbles that burst.
Sweden is different. Considering the fast increase of the population I don't see this as implausible. I'm at the stage where I believe there must be fundamental forces behind or it would have crashed a long time ago. There have been some setbacks at times but this only reinforces that the increase is realistic. If it truly was a bubble it would be violent(with an overreaction) but it's not happening.
Free money for the house owners...
Until it no longer works but I'm not sure that will ever happen. This is like London or something but without the corruption money. It's not really about the pandemic though.
Regarding housing stock I believe it's like this: municipalities sell land to the highest bidder. In order to make it work they will build apartments...
Sweden is different. Considering the fast increase of the population I don't see this as implausible. I'm at the stage where I believe there must be fundamental forces behind or it would have crashed a long time ago. There have been some setbacks at times but this only reinforces that the increase is realistic. If it truly was a bubble it would be violent(with an overreaction) but it's not happening.
Free money for the house owners...
Until it no longer works but I'm not sure that will ever happen. This is like London or something but without the corruption money. It's not really about the pandemic though.
Regarding housing stock I believe it's like this: municipalities sell land to the highest bidder. In order to make it work they will build apartments...
] Maybe there's still an opportunity to buy Church of Sweden land. I have my eyes on some. And it may be less sensitive than doing an Ebba B when not the Swedish heart and lung association. Personally, I'm just waiting for those fritids homes/garden colonies in Malmo to be allowed to be repurposed. If nominal and real interest rates are going to be this lousy, may as well lock in a bunch of money into those places for 10-20 years and just wait for the Swedish authorities of relevance to allow for it to be repurposed into expensive apartments or other dense housing stock to boost the number of potential taxpayers.
Sweden's population growth has gotten weaker due to the pandemic. Life expectancy in Sweden is down too -- as in nearly US-level down -- due to the pandemic.
As of March 5th, Sweden's reported Covid-19 death total for the pandemic was 13,003. The past 90 days in Sweden have been very brutal with Covid-19 deaths.
How many thousands of people are on long-term disability because of Covid-19 in Sweden? I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a considerable number too and a very costly one financially.
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Mar 8, 2021, 6:08 am
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There's a lot of farm land privately owned in and around Malmo. I tried to encourage someone to put together a group to buy a whole bunch of it but was laughed out of town by the very people who said it would never be allowed to be repurposed. That was close to a decade ago. [It's getting repurposed. ] Maybe there's still an opportunity to buy Church of Sweden land. I have my eyes on some. And it may be less sensitive than doing an Ebba B when not the Swedish heart and lung association.
Personally, I'm just waiting for those fritids homes/garden colonies in Malmo to be allowed to be repurposed. If nominal and real interest rates are going to be this lousy, may as well lock in a bunch of money into those places for 10-20 years and just wait for the Swedish authorities of relevance to allow for it to be repurposed into expensive apartments or other dense housing stock to boost the number of potential taxpayers.
Sweden's population growth has gotten weaker due to the pandemic. Life expectancy in Sweden is down too -- as in nearly US-level down -- due to the pandemic.
As of March 5th, Sweden's reported Covid-19 death total for the pandemic was 13,003. The past 90 days in Sweden have been very brutal with Covid-19 deaths.
How many thousands of people are on long-term disability because of Covid-19 in Sweden? I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a considerable number too and a very costly one financially.
] Maybe there's still an opportunity to buy Church of Sweden land. I have my eyes on some. And it may be less sensitive than doing an Ebba B when not the Swedish heart and lung association.Personally, I'm just waiting for those fritids homes/garden colonies in Malmo to be allowed to be repurposed. If nominal and real interest rates are going to be this lousy, may as well lock in a bunch of money into those places for 10-20 years and just wait for the Swedish authorities of relevance to allow for it to be repurposed into expensive apartments or other dense housing stock to boost the number of potential taxpayers.
Sweden's population growth has gotten weaker due to the pandemic. Life expectancy in Sweden is down too -- as in nearly US-level down -- due to the pandemic.
As of March 5th, Sweden's reported Covid-19 death total for the pandemic was 13,003. The past 90 days in Sweden have been very brutal with Covid-19 deaths.
How many thousands of people are on long-term disability because of Covid-19 in Sweden? I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being a considerable number too and a very costly one financially.
Regarding buying "cut" properties in Malmo stad: Tried it before and there's an estate agent teams up with some Eastern European builders to some get your own house thing. Got into one but then the neighbour doesn't want anyone next to him so he bought the lots (this lots are not next to a prison but next to a farm
). Also, doing deals like this is difficult to obtain a mortgage (we talked to a bank).The problem with hoping a land to be repurpose is like a gamble if you are not actually using the land for the specific purpose. Even if it has be repurposed, you still need to apply for bygglov and things like this takes ages The low interest rate is certainly a real attraction to buy properties, especially for those who have no interest in paying it off fast.
Mar 8, 2021, 6:25 am
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Originally Posted by nacho
Regarding buying "cut" properties in Malmo stad: Tried it before and there's an estate agent teams up with some Eastern European builders to some get your own house thing. Got into one but then the neighbour doesn't want anyone next to him so he bought the lots (this lots are not next to a prison but next to a farm ). Also, doing deals like this is difficult to obtain a mortgage (we talked to a bank).
The problem with hoping a land to be repurpose is like a gamble if you are not actually using the land for the specific purpose. Even if it has be repurposed, you still need to apply for bygglov and things like this takes ages The low interest rate is certainly a real attraction to buy properties, especially for those who have no interest in paying it off fast.
). Also, doing deals like this is difficult to obtain a mortgage (we talked to a bank).The problem with hoping a land to be repurpose is like a gamble if you are not actually using the land for the specific purpose. Even if it has be repurposed, you still need to apply for bygglov and things like this takes ages The low interest rate is certainly a real attraction to buy properties, especially for those who have no interest in paying it off fast.
Mar 8, 2021, 7:45 am
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Maybe that's why there isn't any powerful push to make it easy for Swedes to disinherit their children who park them in those places that have become death traps during this pandemic.
In the case of investing in farm land for 10-20 years around likely urban-expansion areas, it may often be leased out for use in the interim and eventually maybe even cut without needing to deal with the investment vehicle using any lenders on the front-end.
In the case of investing in farm land for 10-20 years around likely urban-expansion areas, it may often be leased out for use in the interim and eventually maybe even cut without needing to deal with the investment vehicle using any lenders on the front-end.
My kommun has a new plan released last year and they have dedicated several farmland as potential residential areas. The problem now is that the land is not even cheap anymore, and buying a piece of land doesn't mean you have a house. Building a house is actually more expensive in Sweden compared to DK. I was shocked when I was looking into building a house in Sweden that the price doesn't include the first floor! Who would buy a half finished house?
There's a reason why new house has lower value compared to a 2 year old house. A garden is set up and running, no need to deal with the municipality for idiotic bygglov, easy mortgage because banks can see a house instead of an imaginary one.
Mar 8, 2021, 8:53 am
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I was told that a lot of people living on Professorgatan in Lund got their villas from their grandparents. I saw an old lady moved out of a house and someone looks like her grandchild moved in and took over the dog across the street.
My kommun has a new plan released last year and they have dedicated several farmland as potential residential areas. The problem now is that the land is not even cheap anymore, and buying a piece of land doesn't mean you have a house. Building a house is actually more expensive in Sweden compared to DK. I was shocked when I was looking into building a house in Sweden that the price doesn't include the first floor! Who would buy a half finished house?
There's a reason why new house has lower value compared to a 2 year old house. A garden is set up and running, no need to deal with the municipality for idiotic bygglov, easy mortgage because banks can see a house instead of an imaginary one.
My kommun has a new plan released last year and they have dedicated several farmland as potential residential areas. The problem now is that the land is not even cheap anymore, and buying a piece of land doesn't mean you have a house. Building a house is actually more expensive in Sweden compared to DK. I was shocked when I was looking into building a house in Sweden that the price doesn't include the first floor! Who would buy a half finished house?
There's a reason why new house has lower value compared to a 2 year old house. A garden is set up and running, no need to deal with the municipality for idiotic bygglov, easy mortgage because banks can see a house instead of an imaginary one.
I've seen some grandparent types moved out to elderly homes with their grandchildren then taking over their grandparents' houses. Quite amazing that even a single parent as a teacher could afford some of those homes back in the 1940s and 1950s but nowadays their "highly-paid" grandchildren -- "highly paid" in Swedish/Danish salary terms -- can only afford acquiring houses if they get a big inheritance in the form of the house. This pandemic in Sweden has probably "youth-anized" some nicer old neighborhoods while Covid-19 knocks out the elderly from them.