post or not, share or not: (secret?) tips
#77
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Rudi, Suggest you check the rules...
printed leaflet (received from LH's office, Gutenbergstrasse, Zrich, Switzerland) Star Alliance "Round the world" rules, for tickets bought and trips started in Switzerland, version june-2002:
Now I am more than interested in the original stopover/segment rules valid for mighty Ferrari - please.
and Miss Daisy Hischier there (LH Zrich office) confirmed today, that she would be pleased to issue a 91 segments ticket for me, if I do all the planning to not exceed the max.- miles allowed. Miss Hischier likes Sprngli chocolates and knows already quite a few FlyerTalkers in person (I introduced several FlyerTalkers in person to her, when they did visit me in my home town).
[This message has been edited by Rudi (edited 08-09-2002).]
printed leaflet (received from LH's office, Gutenbergstrasse, Zrich, Switzerland) Star Alliance "Round the world" rules, for tickets bought and trips started in Switzerland, version june-2002:
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2"> ...
stopovers
Minimum: 3
Maximum: 15
- max. of 1 stopover in any one city
- max. of 5 stopovers within the continental USA/Canada including gateways
- max. 5 stopovers permitted within Europe for travel originating in Europe
Routing
- Tavel must commence and terminate in the same country
- Travel must include exactly one atlantic ocean and one pacific ocean crossing
- Backtracking permitted
- No side trips after returning to point of commencement of travel.</font>
stopovers
Minimum: 3
Maximum: 15
- max. of 1 stopover in any one city
- max. of 5 stopovers within the continental USA/Canada including gateways
- max. 5 stopovers permitted within Europe for travel originating in Europe
Routing
- Tavel must commence and terminate in the same country
- Travel must include exactly one atlantic ocean and one pacific ocean crossing
- Backtracking permitted
- No side trips after returning to point of commencement of travel.</font>
and Miss Daisy Hischier there (LH Zrich office) confirmed today, that she would be pleased to issue a 91 segments ticket for me, if I do all the planning to not exceed the max.- miles allowed. Miss Hischier likes Sprngli chocolates and knows already quite a few FlyerTalkers in person (I introduced several FlyerTalkers in person to her, when they did visit me in my home town).
[This message has been edited by Rudi (edited 08-09-2002).]
#78
Join Date: Jul 2001
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by hfly:
... These types of posts generally end in tears for most involved. Discretion is key, as many have noted. More muted titles, and/or burying KEY clues in threads is how FT functions best.
It would seem that many here do not believe there are active lurkers here from the airlines. I personally know without a shadow of a doubt that at least three major airlines monitor this board regularly and act on what is here.
Provocative posts belong to those who invite trouble and that is what we do not need. Often the tone reminds me of a film called "The Castle".</font>
... These types of posts generally end in tears for most involved. Discretion is key, as many have noted. More muted titles, and/or burying KEY clues in threads is how FT functions best.
It would seem that many here do not believe there are active lurkers here from the airlines. I personally know without a shadow of a doubt that at least three major airlines monitor this board regularly and act on what is here.
Provocative posts belong to those who invite trouble and that is what we do not need. Often the tone reminds me of a film called "The Castle".</font>
I posted in a way that would insure lots of people would notice and the thread wouldn't just disappear without as many as possible being able to take advantage of a great op.
Unfortunately, I ended up being called a liar (and in a very personal, not so nice way), when FTers beseiged poor little AMTRAK and the deal was stopped before it began.
Of course, I have to chuckle a little at AMTRAK's intro to FT. A GR agent was literally baffled by all the calls they got and blamed Starwood for the leak

Also, my "provocative" post introduced many to the new AMTRAK forum itself and, also, the posts already there on how to transfer CO miles 1-1 to UA, which it seems some didn't know about, so that did turn out for the best, but still, I am now so much wiser!
#79
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Provocative posts belong to those who invite trouble
For me, the most provocativ posts on FT are not those 'agressivly' promoting/featuring/sharing secret or (for the 'old-timer' not so secret) tips - it's those attacking/questioning the caracters of other FlyerTalkers and 'calling names'.
For me, the most provocativ posts on FT are not those 'agressivly' promoting/featuring/sharing secret or (for the 'old-timer' not so secret) tips - it's those attacking/questioning the caracters of other FlyerTalkers and 'calling names'.
#80
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While I didn't do the LatinPass, I do remember the ClickRewards + World Wildlife Fund promo where you could get 120 miles/$$ spent. CR really regretted that promo, as FT'ers jumped in for many tens of thousands of dollars.
And on a more regular basis, people share bonus mile promo codes, the recent special sales on discount J fares by AA/DL, etc...
I think that's what made FT such a valuable resource for so many. Even the hint that there is a "private list" where even better information exists would poison the community by creating an "us vs. them" mentality.
And on a more regular basis, people share bonus mile promo codes, the recent special sales on discount J fares by AA/DL, etc...
I think that's what made FT such a valuable resource for so many. Even the hint that there is a "private list" where even better information exists would poison the community by creating an "us vs. them" mentality.
#81
Join Date: Aug 2001
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"I think that's what made FT such a valuable resource for so many. Even the hint that there is a "private list" where even better information exists would poison the community by creating an "us vs. them" mentality."
Plato, well said.
Plato, well said.
#84

Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Capo Beach, California
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As far as lurkers v. posters, I would welcome the opportunity to contribute information that would save members considerable cash but unfortunately I am usually a day late or a dollar short. Everytime I think that I have a great deal, I get on line and it has already been posted or there is an even better deal. Although today is the first time I have read MilesBuzz, Flyertalk is a regular stop for me. I have greatly appreciated all the information and an waiting for the day that I have something valuable to share.
#85
Join Date: May 2001
Location: St. Louis MO USA
Posts: 22
Well said, Wannagotoo.
I feel exactly the same way. I thank everyone for openly sharing information they have and being so helpful to those of us with questions. I too am looking forward to the day I can contribute more as I gain knowledge.
I feel exactly the same way. I thank everyone for openly sharing information they have and being so helpful to those of us with questions. I too am looking forward to the day I can contribute more as I gain knowledge.
#86


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Well what can I say that hasn't been said already?
FT is a give and take forum. I'm all for people posting good deal and loopholes. What they get in return is when someone else posts something that can help them.
What I don't like is when someone just takes and takes and takes, like those people who registered last week who post in coupon connection "Want SWU...".
I used to be a bit of a lurker, mainly because I couldn't really help much. But as I've become more how should I put this, FT-savvy, I've helped out whenever I can.
One thing I am against is a list. I think it's better that everyone has access to this stuff, even if it means someone will exploit it, than only those on the list getting the info and most of us missing out. Who would decide who gets on the list and who doesnt?
My 2 cents worth.
goodo
FT is a give and take forum. I'm all for people posting good deal and loopholes. What they get in return is when someone else posts something that can help them.
What I don't like is when someone just takes and takes and takes, like those people who registered last week who post in coupon connection "Want SWU...".
I used to be a bit of a lurker, mainly because I couldn't really help much. But as I've become more how should I put this, FT-savvy, I've helped out whenever I can.
One thing I am against is a list. I think it's better that everyone has access to this stuff, even if it means someone will exploit it, than only those on the list getting the info and most of us missing out. Who would decide who gets on the list and who doesnt?
My 2 cents worth.
goodo
#87
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If it will help others on FlyerTalk, post it. If a loophole is closed because of this, one of us will find something else and we'll again be off to the races.
#88
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Mpls mn USA
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Hi, i am very new to Flyertalk.com and read this discussion about loopholes.
specifically the one that talked about what UNITED969 told about last months error about the $59 + tax Orbitz *Error fares* from all MX gateways for Business Class fares to PVR
where was this error information posted ? ?
in elliots email or some other place.
my job has just decided that i will be flying to lax 2 times per month from msp for the next 6 months so i have signed up for WP with NW and am just looking forward to making miles.
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specifically the one that talked about what UNITED969 told about last months error about the $59 + tax Orbitz *Error fares* from all MX gateways for Business Class fares to PVR
where was this error information posted ? ?
in elliots email or some other place.
my job has just decided that i will be flying to lax 2 times per month from msp for the next 6 months so i have signed up for WP with NW and am just looking forward to making miles.
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#90

Join Date: Jun 2000
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Getting back to the original question (To post or not?) I think the answer is simple: If everyone kept their secrets to themselves, FT would cease to exist. Everybody would lurk, never find anything and so nobody would share.
One issue that hasn't really been addressed: What's the downside for the original poster? Not much. Sure, the deal may eventually "dry up" (e.g., hotel realizes it has a $10 room rate on its web site), but by that time the poster has already taken advantage of the deal.
Contribute and feel good about brightening someone else's day.
One issue that hasn't really been addressed: What's the downside for the original poster? Not much. Sure, the deal may eventually "dry up" (e.g., hotel realizes it has a $10 room rate on its web site), but by that time the poster has already taken advantage of the deal.
Contribute and feel good about brightening someone else's day.

