Some programs stink. Which ones make you cringe?
#46
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Originally Posted by gleff
"Some programs stink. Which ones make you cringe?"
Points.com isn't really a loyalty program.
But as far as which ones truly stink, nothing can possibly top GlobalPass.
A notch below that there's always Goldpoints.
Points.com isn't really a loyalty program.
But as far as which ones truly stink, nothing can possibly top GlobalPass.
A notch below that there's always Goldpoints.
#47
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I also vote for CO One Pass. To try to make a reservation on-line using miles is near impossible and when you pay the blood money to speak to a person, you don't do much better.
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Originally Posted by gradvmedusa
UGH I can not STAND mypoints, what a utter and complete waste of time!! I only earned about 25 points a week, so it took me about a year to get enough miles to cash out and be rid of the program(1,000 Hilton Points) I will stick with e-rewards, where I get $25-75 dollar surveys regularly and my points don't expire(they like me
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)mypoints has been good to me because I just click on the 5 point things, let the site of that link open, then close it and delete the offer. Once and a while there IS something I may actually particiapte in, and if you find and offer or a survey, you can participate but for those you HAVE to keep records. They almost always require waiting, faxing, calling and emailing but if you basically only go for the 5 point click and trash emails, then it is fine. I have told them repetedly that they ALWAYS mess up on the offers that yeild between 20-100 points, but eventually, if I stay on top of these, the points do credit. To counter this, I often sign up for things like the free AOL or PeoplePC offers with UBER pointage
and then cancel. But again, you have to play administrator for the length of time to get that properly taken care of. How do you make the umlout ??sp?? key on a PC keyboard? I copy/pasted these but DON'T ask me how to spell the word for the two dots over the letter:
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#49
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Originally Posted by BearX220
elgringito, ILUVCITIBANK is saying the same thing I am... and so have lots of others:
I have said before that the Freddies are a worthless yardstick of FF program quality because the voters are a self-selected sample. It's not a statistically valid way to conduct a survey. It's more like an election. If Nielsen conducted TV ratings like this, inviting fans of various shows to write in, some teen drivel on the WB would emerge as "more popular" than 60 Minutes.
Having said that, even the CO diehards seem to have caught on lately -- I don't think OnePass won much of anything this year.
I have said before that the Freddies are a worthless yardstick of FF program quality because the voters are a self-selected sample. It's not a statistically valid way to conduct a survey. It's more like an election. If Nielsen conducted TV ratings like this, inviting fans of various shows to write in, some teen drivel on the WB would emerge as "more popular" than 60 Minutes.
Having said that, even the CO diehards seem to have caught on lately -- I don't think OnePass won much of anything this year.
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Originally Posted by BearX220
elgringito, ILUVCITIBANK is saying the same thing I am... and so have lots of others:
I have said before that the Freddies are a worthless yardstick of FF program quality because the voters are a self-selected sample. It's not a statistically valid way to conduct a survey. It's more like an election. If Nielsen conducted TV ratings like this, inviting fans of various shows to write in, some teen drivel on the WB would emerge as "more popular" than 60 Minutes.
Having said that, even the CO diehards seem to have caught on lately -- I don't think OnePass won much of anything this year.
I have said before that the Freddies are a worthless yardstick of FF program quality because the voters are a self-selected sample. It's not a statistically valid way to conduct a survey. It's more like an election. If Nielsen conducted TV ratings like this, inviting fans of various shows to write in, some teen drivel on the WB would emerge as "more popular" than 60 Minutes.
Having said that, even the CO diehards seem to have caught on lately -- I don't think OnePass won much of anything this year.
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Soutwest's Rapid Rewards makes me cringe because I'd have to fly Southwest.
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Best Western Gold Crown
The points expire unless if you stay at Best Western once a year.
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Originally Posted by CPRich
Soutwest's Rapid Rewards makes me cringe because I'd have to fly Southwest. 

Yes, the earnings/redemption expiration dates are strict, and yes there are blackout dates, but the user can easily understand exactly what they are from the very first time he/she logs in. The execution of the program is simple and transparent. WYSIWYG.
We can debate the quality of the WN product itself. (I understand why some people love it and others hate it.) We can debate what constitutes "fair" adjustments to redemption levels. (Arguably, WN's original redemption level of 8 RT's = 1 no-bull freebie is already competitive, and they operated extremely generously for several years before returning to their original levels.)
But as for the program itself, I think anybody who participates in it sees its simple mechanics and lack of fine print to be a breath of fresh air.
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Originally Posted by pinniped
I'm kind of bashing this program on another thread (the program "enhancement" thread), but I'll defend 'em here. From an honesty/ethics perspective, RR is probably the most straightforward, user-friendly program of all.
Yes, the earnings/redemption expiration dates are strict, and yes there are blackout dates, but the user can easily understand exactly what they are from the very first time he/she logs in. The execution of the program is simple and transparent. WYSIWYG.
We can debate the quality of the WN product itself. (I understand why some people love it and others hate it.) We can debate what constitutes "fair" adjustments to redemption levels. (Arguably, WN's original redemption level of 8 RT's = 1 no-bull freebie is already competitive, and they operated extremely generously for several years before returning to their original levels.)
But as for the program itself, I think anybody who participates in it sees its simple mechanics and lack of fine print to be a breath of fresh air.
Yes, the earnings/redemption expiration dates are strict, and yes there are blackout dates, but the user can easily understand exactly what they are from the very first time he/she logs in. The execution of the program is simple and transparent. WYSIWYG.
We can debate the quality of the WN product itself. (I understand why some people love it and others hate it.) We can debate what constitutes "fair" adjustments to redemption levels. (Arguably, WN's original redemption level of 8 RT's = 1 no-bull freebie is already competitive, and they operated extremely generously for several years before returning to their original levels.)
But as for the program itself, I think anybody who participates in it sees its simple mechanics and lack of fine print to be a breath of fresh air.
Anyone remember the $100 trips to places like London where they would litterally ask you on a plane from say, LAX to BOS, "If you have your passport and $100 cash on you and you wish to continue on to London, we will walk down the isles and collect it right now from any passenger who wishes to do this..." I almost did but I met a cutie on board while en route to my home in Boston, and ended up dating her for a summer we both happened to be spending at separate rental houses with friends on Cape Cod. (Yes, I like Pina Coladas!)
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Originally Posted by CPRich
Soutwest's Rapid Rewards makes me cringe because I'd have to fly Southwest. 

Now there's my vote for best program: Alaska's Mileage Plan. Mostly because it has so many partners and outside the alliances. In the US alone you can earn/redeem on American, Delta, Continental and Northwest, so it basically covers all the big carriers except United and I can throw away the rest of my points programs.
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Originally Posted by Marathon Man
How do you make the umlout ??sp?? key on a PC keyboard? I copy/pasted these but DON'T ask me how to spell the word for the two dots over the letter:
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MM
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MMI emailed this list to my travel email addresses so I can write these from any computer no matter where I am.
Last edited by pgary; Jun 28, 2005 at 3:50 pm
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Originally Posted by pgary
Hold down the ALT key and type in the appropriate number from this list. (Look at ALT 128 -168.) Or, just copy and paste from the list.
I emailed this list to my travel email addresses so I can write these from any computer no matter where I am.
I emailed this list to my travel email addresses so I can write these from any computer no matter where I am.
For WinXP: In Control Panel, Regional and Language Options, Languages tab, click Details button.
Then select the Keyboard and click Add.
Add United States-International
and make sure it is selected as Default Input Language
Then you can type any accented character with 2 keystrokes. For example, to get you type " then o, to get type ' then e, to get type ~ then n. If you only want the special character, e.g. just a quote character type it and then a space (or it will just appear if the character typed next doesn't have an accented version). Once you're used to it, it's very fast.
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Originally Posted by dougdo
If you type a lot of accented characters, as I do when I write in Spanish, there's an easier way.
For WinXP: In Control Panel, Regional and Language Options, Languages tab, click Details button.
Then select the Keyboard and click Add.
Add United States-International
and make sure it is selected as Default Input Language
Then you can type any accented character with 2 keystrokes. For example, to get you type " then o, to get type ' then e, to get type ~ then n. If you only want the special character, e.g. just a quote character type it and then a space (or it will just appear if the character typed next doesn't have an accented version). Once you're used to it, it's very fast.
For WinXP: In Control Panel, Regional and Language Options, Languages tab, click Details button.
Then select the Keyboard and click Add.
Add United States-International
and make sure it is selected as Default Input Language
Then you can type any accented character with 2 keystrokes. For example, to get you type " then o, to get type ' then e, to get type ~ then n. If you only want the special character, e.g. just a quote character type it and then a space (or it will just appear if the character typed next doesn't have an accented version). Once you're used to it, it's very fast.
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thanks for these tips, mates!
now if this were an airline or a points program, simply obtaining that information from CSRs would have made for at least 45 mins of on holds and transferred called to other departments, lots of typing and some illiterate person in the Tulsa office telling you, "I'm sorry sir, we do not service that type of request here and there's a fee for it anyway"
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now if this were an airline or a points program, simply obtaining that information from CSRs would have made for at least 45 mins of on holds and transferred called to other departments, lots of typing and some illiterate person in the Tulsa office telling you, "I'm sorry sir, we do not service that type of request here and there's a fee for it anyway"
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