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winebug Jun 2, 2015 7:27 am

Maybe a suggestion for those who can edit the wiki. Would it be nice to have promotion specific sections:
FYF, pay-AF-for-points, RFD/GCR/other referral, minimum spend to obtain
Maybe a google docs kind of file would be useful?
This way people can decide for themselves which current promotions are useful additions to them in their churns/app-o-rama's.

jerryhung Jun 2, 2015 7:48 am


Originally Posted by winebug (Post 24906351)
Maybe a suggestion for those who can edit the wiki. Would it be nice to have promotion specific sections:
FYF, pay-AF-for-points, RFD/GCR/other referral, minimum spend to obtain
Maybe a google docs kind of file would be useful?
This way people can decide for themselves which current promotions are useful additions to them in their churns/app-o-rama's.

I cover it in my RFD thread (which I added to the Wiki yesterday, but got removed by mahasamatman, not sure why since Wiki has links to other blogs)

Here it is if anyone wants to read it. breakdown of FYF vs. Fee. Minimum spending, Cashback $
I maintain it for public good, I don't earn referral or cashback from it
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/list-...dated-1685293/

I know Mods don't like RFD, but in any case, I don't think many credit card applicants come to Flyertalk for CC advices vs. RFD's #

winebug Jun 2, 2015 7:58 am


Originally Posted by jerryhung (Post 24906435)
I cover it in my RFD thread (which I added to the Wiki yesterday, but got removed by mahasamatman, not sure why since Wiki has links to other blogs)

Here it is if anyone wants to read it. breakdown of FYF vs. Fee. Minimum spending, Cashback $
I maintain it for public good, I don't earn referral or cashback from it
http://forums.redflagdeals.com/list-...dated-1685293/

I know Mods don't like RFD, but in any case, I don't think many credit card applicants come to Flyertalk for CC advices vs. RFD's #

Thanks for the link. Work like this should be acknowledged. ^

Although, to be fair, it should be in text in this wiki with an emphasis on travel rather then just linking to RFD. RFD≠FT.

Yes, it is double the work to maintain it here and over there, and what use is it if mods take the info away? I can't blame you to not do the effort and post it here in plain text in the wiki, but hope you'll consider!

loun80 Jun 2, 2015 9:19 am

TD Online Credit Card Application is a Joke
 
Why does TD bother to have a website for online credit card applications? It hasn't worked for me for 10 months!

Cerenity Jun 2, 2015 9:24 am

sort of worked for us a few weeks ago.

we were able to finish the app and submit it, but it got declined due to a glitch (so they say) but it was easily approved once i called in.

not really sure if the folks having issues are doing something strange, or maybe we are doing something without knowing it, but we've never had any issues completing the TD applications

emilio911 Jun 2, 2015 4:37 pm


Originally Posted by Cerenity (Post 24906962)
we were able to finish the app and submit it, but it got declined due to a glitch (so they say) but it was easily approved once i called in.

Same thing here, but since I only put one of my two last names in the application (as I always do) the agent was not able to correct the "glitch".

I need to go the "nearest branch" with two pieces of ID ... and they might ask me income proofs. :mad:

Plus, they will kindly make a new application for me at the branch. So, I will loose my GCR rebate and I might get hard pulled twice.... for nothing.

They can **** off.

winebug Jun 2, 2015 4:58 pm


Originally Posted by emilio911 (Post 24909369)
Same thing here, but since I only put one of my two last names in the application (as I always do) the agent was not able to correct the "glitch".

I need to go the "nearest branch" with two pieces of ID ... and they might ask me income proofs. :mad:

Plus, they will kindly make a new application for me at the branch. So, I will loose my GCR rebate and I might get hard pulled twice.... for nothing.

They can **** off.

IF this happened today, just do a new application with both your last names. You'll have 2 checks today, then write to the bureau to contest 1, if you want you say it is TD's web site that triggered both. But that is IF this is TODAY and you do a new app TODAY.

By the way, had similar happen to me last week, completed the application over the phone and the guy on the phone put in the GCR code manually over the phone. Wait and see, but that guy seemed to know his SHT

emilio911 Jun 2, 2015 7:17 pm


Originally Posted by winebug (Post 24909451)
IF this happened today, just do a new application with both your last names. You'll have 2 checks today, then write to the bureau to contest 1, if you want you say it is TD's web site that triggered both. But that is IF this is TODAY and you do a new app TODAY.

Thanks a lot, but I didn't have time for fighting them today. Plus, I already made two others applications today (which were approved), so I am scared that if I apply again with TD today, they will process my application tomorrow and they will find out about the other applications (since the credit files are updated overnight), and I will get denied anyway...

And it doesn't mean it will go through because the agent told me the issue was that I "created" a new file with them and I already "have" a file with them (because of a checking account I closed 3 years ago). If I use your trick, I might just end up with a third "file" with them, which won't do much good.

winebug Jun 2, 2015 7:36 pm


Originally Posted by emilio911 (Post 24909929)
Thanks a lot, but I didn't have time for fighting them today. Plus, I already made two others applications today (which were approved), so I am scared that if I apply again with TD today, they will process my application tomorrow and they will find out about the other applications (since the credit files are updated overnight), and I will get denied anyway...

And it doesn't mean it will go through because the agent told me the issue was that I "created" a new file with them and I already "have" a file with them (because of a checking account I closed 3 years ago). If I use your trick, I might just end up with a third "file" with them, which won't do much good.

Can't blame you. Bloody Canadian banks & banking system, just like in medieval times we're only vassals to them and treated as such, and frightened from them and the mess correcting them brings we act in vassal style... Amen.

emilio911 Jun 2, 2015 7:44 pm


Originally Posted by winebug (Post 24910003)
Can't blame you. Bloody Canadian banks & banking system, just like in medieval times we're only vassals to them and treated as such, and frightened from them and the mess correcting them brings we act in vassal style... Amen.

What you say is true. I really see a difference in approach between American banks (MBNA, Chase, AMEX) and Canadian Banks (TD, NBC, BMO).

I just wish MBNA won't get as bureaucratic and messy as TD after their merger...

zer0k1 Jun 2, 2015 9:29 pm


Originally Posted by emilio911 (Post 24909929)
Thanks a lot, but I didn't have time for fighting them today. Plus, I already made two others applications today (which were approved), so I am scared that if I apply again with TD today, they will process my application tomorrow and they will find out about the other applications (since the credit files are updated overnight), and I will get denied anyway...

And it doesn't mean it will go through because the agent told me the issue was that I "created" a new file with them and I already "have" a file with them (because of a checking account I closed 3 years ago). If I use your trick, I might just end up with a third "file" with them, which won't do much good.

Actually the credit files are updated almost instantly, assuming you are referring to the credit inquiry. As for the new account, that will only get updated to your file once it reports at the end of the month.

emilio911 Jun 2, 2015 9:37 pm


Originally Posted by zer0k1 (Post 24910405)
Actually the credit files are updated almost instantly, assuming you are referring to the credit inquiry. As for the new account, that will only get updated to your file once it reports at the end of the month.

You mean it doesn't work as in the USA? I thought that the purpose of doing all your applications on the same day (each 91 days) was so that the other credit card companies are not aware of your other applications of the day. :confused:

zer0k1 Jun 2, 2015 9:53 pm


Originally Posted by emilio911 (Post 24910425)
You mean it doesn't work as in the USA? I thought that the purpose of doing all your applications on the same day (each 91 days) was so that the other credit card companies are not aware of your other applications of the day. :confused:

The system is not identical to that of the USA. However, in regards to updating the credit file, the inquiries are updated almost instantly in the USA as well. People often misunderstand the purpose of an A-O-R or 2/3/4bm. If you are not applying for multiple cards from the same bank, the only advantage is "good housekeeping". Although no one knows for certain how it all works, there have been claims that doing them at the exact same time from multiple browsers will increase odds of instant approval, there have been many claims against that as well. I can only confirm first hand about the Canadian system.

For example, if you were to apply for 2 cards in one day (Amex and then CIBC) and then a TD card afterward, TD will certainly see your 2 inquiries, as did CIBC after you applied for Amex. They won't know whether you were approved/declined but they will see the pulls just the same as if you were to apply the next day or the next week. However, applying for multiple cards within the same day may have benefit. I cannot confirm but in the US if you apply for multiple Amex cards within the same day it will produce only 1 HP, so there is one purpose of doing applications in the same day. The same works with BofA for the Alaska Airlines card. Perhaps MBNA would act the same way. Credit card companies are more aware than you may have thought.

JJonahJ Jun 2, 2015 11:54 pm

Milesbuzz: Canada
 
Z,

Thanks for your info.

Amex pulls from TU, while CIBC + TD yank from EQ. So in your example above, TD would only see the CIBC pull. At least this is what I've seen in mine/wife's reports. For others, both bureaus might get pulled, so it's YMMV for each individual. Nonetheless, good info you've shared. ^

winebug Jun 3, 2015 5:07 am

Does anyone know when the 15K Aeroplan from the TD VISA infinite card are supposed to be posted? I know many people have had issues to get them posted, I'm interested in when they are supposed to appear at Aeroplan. Thanks!

emilio911 Jun 3, 2015 6:23 am


Originally Posted by zer0k1 (Post 24910492)
For example, if you were to apply for 2 cards in one day (Amex and then CIBC) and then a TD card afterward, TD will certainly see your 2 inquiries, as did CIBC after you applied for Amex. They won't know whether you were approved/declined but they will see the pulls just the same as if you were to apply the next day or the next week. However, applying for multiple cards within the same day may have benefit. I cannot confirm but in the US if you apply for multiple Amex cards within the same day it will produce only 1 HP, so there is one purpose of doing applications in the same day. The same works with BofA for the Alaska Airlines card. Perhaps MBNA would act the same way. Credit card companies are more aware than you may have thought.

Thanks zer0k1,

Does anyone in Canada has a report to share with us about that? :D

barneyg_ Jun 3, 2015 6:26 am


Originally Posted by winebug (Post 24911384)
Does anyone know when the 15K Aeroplan from the TD VISA infinite card are supposed to be posted? I know many people have had issues to get them posted, I'm interested in when they are supposed to appear at Aeroplan. Thanks!

For me they posted at the end of the first billing cycle in which I made purchases i.e. at the same time as the 10k bonus for meeting the minimum spend.

1011TriStar Jun 3, 2015 6:59 am


Originally Posted by JJonahJ (Post 24910796)
Z,

Thanks for your info.

Amex pulls from TU, while CIBC + TD yank from EQ. So in your example above, TD would only see the CIBC pull. At least this is what I've seen in mine/wife's reports. For others, both bureaus might get pulled, so it's YMMV for each individual. Nonetheless, good info you've shared. ^

This is correct. RFD had a thread which showed the bureau each creditor uses. This is a short list as per my experience (Credit inquires / pulls only)

Transunion:
AMEX
Royal Bank
MBNA
Rogers Wireless
Canadian Tire

Equifax:
TD
CIBC
Bank of Montreal
Citi Financial
Scotia Bank
Chase Best Buy
Visa Desjardins

Both:
Capital One (will check both bureaus)
Chase Marriott uses Equifax primarily, but sometimes uses transunion

1011TriStar Jun 3, 2015 7:15 am

Found the RFD thread:

http://forums.redflagdeals.com/list-...-both-1177227/

Cerenity Jun 3, 2015 7:36 am


Originally Posted by winebug (Post 24911384)
Does anyone know when the 15K Aeroplan from the TD VISA infinite card are supposed to be posted? I know many people have had issues to get them posted, I'm interested in when they are supposed to appear at Aeroplan. Thanks!

Aeroplan points appear based on statement generation, once a month. They should appear in your account a few days after your statement date if nothing has gone wrong.

Since the 15K is awarded based on initial spend, you should see it on the 1st statement that is generated after you initially use your card, and show up in Aeroplan a few days after

Extra 10K is after 1K spend, so it should be on the statement after you reach 1K

zer0k1 Jun 3, 2015 7:45 am


Originally Posted by JJonahJ (Post 24910796)
Z,

Thanks for your info.

Amex pulls from TU, while CIBC + TD yank from EQ. So in your example above, TD would only see the CIBC pull. At least this is what I've seen in mine/wife's reports. For others, both bureaus might get pulled, so it's YMMV for each individual. Nonetheless, good info you've shared. ^

Thanks for the correction, J! Forgot about about that!

Data point: when I applied for my first Amex card they pulled both EQ and TU. Every pull after that was only TU.

winebug Jun 3, 2015 7:51 am


Originally Posted by zer0k1 (Post 24911900)
...Data point: when I applied for my first Amex card they pulled both EQ and TU. Every pull after that was only TU.

Same thing for spouse and I. 1st pull TU & EQ, successive ones only TU.

abari Jun 3, 2015 8:24 am


Originally Posted by winebug (Post 24911384)
Does anyone know when the 15K Aeroplan from the TD VISA infinite card are supposed to be posted? I know many people have had issues to get them posted, I'm interested in when they are supposed to appear at Aeroplan. Thanks!

Most people seem to get them within 2 account statements.

NotJustDreaming Jun 3, 2015 1:13 pm


Originally Posted by zer0k1 (Post 24910492)
The system is not identical to that of the USA. However, in regards to updating the credit file, the inquiries are updated almost instantly in the USA as well. People often misunderstand the purpose of an A-O-R or 2/3/4bm. If you are not applying for multiple cards from the same bank, the only advantage is "good housekeeping". Although no one knows for certain how it all works, there have been claims that doing them at the exact same time from multiple browsers will increase odds of instant approval, there have been many claims against that as well. I can only confirm first hand about the Canadian system.

For example, if you were to apply for 2 cards in one day (Amex and then CIBC) and then a TD card afterward, TD will certainly see your 2 inquiries, as did CIBC after you applied for Amex. They won't know whether you were approved/declined but they will see the pulls just the same as if you were to apply the next day or the next week. However, applying for multiple cards within the same day may have benefit. I cannot confirm but in the US if you apply for multiple Amex cards within the same day it will produce only 1 HP, so there is one purpose of doing applications in the same day. The same works with BofA for the Alaska Airlines card. Perhaps MBNA would act the same way. Credit card companies are more aware than you may have thought.

From what I've read, one of the reasons for doing the multiple apps in the same day (or close days) was to avoid the significant impact of a lowered score after the new credit takes effect.

On the first days you only take a small multiple point hit for each pull (2 points each or so). But a week or two later your score goes down several points per credit card and can take a 20 point hit or so.

emilio911 Jun 3, 2015 1:17 pm


Originally Posted by NotJustDreaming (Post 24913680)
From what I've read, one of the reasons for doing the multiple apps in the same day (or close days) was to avoid the significant impact of a lowered score after the new credit takes effect.

On the first days you only take a small multiple point hit for each pull (2 points each or so). But a week or two later your score goes down several points per credit card and can take a 20 point hit or so.

Great piece of info, thanks

NotJustDreaming Jun 3, 2015 1:20 pm


Originally Posted by loun80 (Post 24906933)
Why does TD bother to have a website for online credit card applications? It hasn't worked for me for 10 months!

I tried doing a TD Aeroplan Visa app through GCR once yesterday (Tuesday) and twice on Monday. Each time, I logged in using my TD EasyWeb access as directed on the app page from the GCR link.

All three times I received a message indicating that due to technical difficulties, they could not process my application at this time. They further suggested I try again some hours later or visit a TD location.

I chatted online briefly with a TD rep about the issue but succumbed to lack of patience and further technical difficulties (not necessarily on my part).

Too bad I didn't read your post prior to my apps. Ah well.

jerryhung Jun 3, 2015 1:22 pm


Originally Posted by NotJustDreaming (Post 24913729)
I tried doing a TD Aeroplan Visa app through GCR once yesterday (Tuesday) and twice on Wednesday. Each time, I logged in using my TD EasyWeb access as directed on the app page from the GCR link.

All three times I received a message indicating that due to technical difficulties, they could not process my application at this time. They further suggested I try again some hours later or visit a TD location.

I chatted online briefly with a TD rep about the issue but succumbed to lack of patience and further technical difficulties (not necessarily on my part).

Too bad I didn't read your post prior to my apps. Ah well.

Did you try applying as a NEW Customer instead of existing?
ie. do not login to EasyWeb

Many used that trick to apply (myself too) and worked

NotJustDreaming Jun 3, 2015 1:49 pm


Originally Posted by jerryhung (Post 24913738)
Did you try applying as a NEW Customer instead of existing?
ie. do not login to EasyWeb

Many used that trick to apply (myself too) and worked

I applied as an existing TD customer because I'm lazy and was attracted by the 'faster' application process :D.

I was impressed by all the prefilled info.

So... you're saying the GCR link and app should work no problem if I say I'm a 'new' TD customer?

I wasn't going to bother trying again but will on the off chance that will work.

emilio911 Jun 3, 2015 2:14 pm


Originally Posted by NotJustDreaming (Post 24913898)
I applied as an existing TD customer because I'm lazy and was attracted by the 'faster' application process :D.

I was impressed by all the prefilled info.

So... you're saying the GCR link and app should work no problem if I say I'm a 'new' TD customer?

I wasn't going to bother trying again but will on the off chance that will work.

Be real careful with you first and last names. As I said, if you change a single character from your first or last name, birthday, address. They will make you go the branch and you will lose your GCR rebate.

NotJustDreaming Jun 3, 2015 2:43 pm


Originally Posted by emilio911 (Post 24914033)
Be real careful with you first and last names. As I said, if you change a single character from your first or last name, birthday, address. They will make you go the branch and you will lose your GCR rebate.

Noted. Thanks.

Si_Ting_ca Jun 3, 2015 3:19 pm


Originally Posted by jerryhung (Post 24913738)
Did you try applying as a NEW Customer instead of existing?
ie. do not login to EasyWeb

Many used that trick to apply (myself too) and worked

I've tried to sign up as a new customer for the past 5 months and still I got that message. Tried with Chrome, Safari, IE...nothing worked. I hate TD! :td:

loun80 Jun 3, 2015 11:27 pm


Originally Posted by Si_Ting_ca (Post 24914397)
I've tried to sign up as a new customer for the past 5 months and still I got that message. Tried with Chrome, Safari, IE...nothing worked. I hate TD! :td:


Same here. Their system sucks and someone should be fired there. I then went to a branch to apply for that offer and the people at the branch had no idea what the offer was.

erwintok Jun 4, 2015 10:06 pm


Originally Posted by Si_Ting_ca (Post 24914397)
I've tried to sign up as a new customer for the past 5 months and still I got that message. Tried with Chrome, Safari, IE...nothing worked. I hate TD! :td:


Glad to know that I am not the only one. Phone reps say it is a browser problem but that hasn't changed anything for me...

winebug Jun 5, 2015 4:19 am


Originally Posted by erwintok (Post 24921707)
Glad to know that I am not the only one. Phone reps say it is a browser problem but that hasn't changed anything for me...

Then why is the problem only with TD and not the other banks web sites? Of course it is us the consumers that are wrong witch our browsers, not the big tech department filled with people sitting around doing nothing all day. :mad:

emilio911 Jun 5, 2015 7:31 am


Originally Posted by winebug (Post 24922563)
Then why is the problem only with TD and not the other banks web sites? Of course it is us the consumers that are wrong witch our browsers, not the big tech department filled with people sitting around doing nothing all day. :mad:

We should all contact GCR so they complain to TD's tech deparment. They are really the only ones that can do something about it.

They contacted MBNA (about the Alaska card) a few weeks ago and now the issue is solved.

emilio911 Jun 5, 2015 7:38 am

I added a disclaimer in the wiki.

Cerenity Jun 5, 2015 7:39 am

We just got the AF rebate on the recent TD AP Visa Infinite card that we got. The statement was mid May before I received the card. AF was credited back on June 2.

I called in to shift credit limit from a Gold card (old TD AP visa) and also checked my AP # and it was already correctly in the file.

sounds like at least they fixed those AF & AP # issues...

This app was done over the phone in the end (glitch caused incorrect decline) with the GCR offer code attached by a phone rep, so that part seems to be working too

emilio911 Jun 5, 2015 7:44 am


Originally Posted by Cerenity (Post 24923262)
the GCR offer code attached by a phone rep, so that part seems to be working too

Did you get the rebate automatically into your GCR account?

Cerenity Jun 5, 2015 7:51 am


Originally Posted by emilio911 (Post 24923290)
Did you get the rebate automatically into your GCR account?

no, they said my approval did not show up in the reports sent from TD, so they will have to do things manually

i made the request just before end of May, so they've sent it in as part of their June 1 batch, and said I should hear back by 2nd half or end of June.

emilio911 Jun 5, 2015 8:21 am


Originally Posted by Cerenity (Post 24923326)
no, they said my approval did not show up in the reports sent from TD, so they will have to do things manually

i made the request just before end of May, so they've sent it in as part of their June 1 batch, and said I should hear back by 2nd half or end of June.

Seems like too much trouble for a **** card. At least, they didn't ask you to show up at the branch with two pieces of ID and a cup of tea.

I decided not to continue the process because of this. One hard pull for nothing!


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