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Is the fare being honored? For all carriers? Yes, and yes, so far it seems we have EY, EK, QR and BA segments that seem to have worked fine.
Can I make changes to my ticket before I fly the first segment? There haven't been any reports of this yet. While technically you should be able to make changes to other than the first segment prior to flying, it's unlikely you'll get an agent to do that. If you booked through a travel agent, your agent may be able to do this. If you booked through an online OTA, it's unlikely. But give it a try and report back.
Can I make changes once I have flown the first segment? There is at least one report from a FT member that they checked with a BA agent in London about changing routing and moving to the LHR-LAX A380 and that member didn't get any resistance or any indication there would be any amount collected (this FT member ultimately didn't make the change so the ticket wasn't actually reissued). From all reports, BA hasn't done anything to mark these fares, so being what they are (fully flex F), you should be able to make changes in LHR, even rerouting and your transAtl segment and adding additional segments within the US on AA, assuming there is space at the last minute.
Dates Routing Booking Engine Member
April
May
June
July
August
Aug20 DXB-DOH-LHR(QR F)-LAX(BA F)-JFK-AUS, Travelocity, jona970318 +1
September
October
November
December
28Dec XNB-AUH(EY bus) 29Dec AUH-LHR(EY A380)-LAX(BA A380) 30Dec LAX-AUS(AS), Expedia, Stephem x5 pax
January
2Jan DXB-LHR(BA F)-LAX(BA F)-AUS(AS), Expedia Tariq 3 pax
3Jan DXB-DOH-LHR(QR F)-LAX(BA F)-AUS(AA), Expedia, ChurchofTee 1 pax
3Jan DXB-DOH-LHR(QR F)-LAX(BA F)-JFK-AUS, Travelocity, jona970318
February
Can I make changes to my ticket before I fly the first segment? There haven't been any reports of this yet. While technically you should be able to make changes to other than the first segment prior to flying, it's unlikely you'll get an agent to do that. If you booked through a travel agent, your agent may be able to do this. If you booked through an online OTA, it's unlikely. But give it a try and report back.
Can I make changes once I have flown the first segment? There is at least one report from a FT member that they checked with a BA agent in London about changing routing and moving to the LHR-LAX A380 and that member didn't get any resistance or any indication there would be any amount collected (this FT member ultimately didn't make the change so the ticket wasn't actually reissued). From all reports, BA hasn't done anything to mark these fares, so being what they are (fully flex F), you should be able to make changes in LHR, even rerouting and your transAtl segment and adding additional segments within the US on AA, assuming there is space at the last minute.
Dates Routing Booking Engine Member
April
May
June
July
August
Aug20 DXB-DOH-LHR(QR F)-LAX(BA F)-JFK-AUS, Travelocity, jona970318 +1
September
October
November
December
28Dec XNB-AUH(EY bus) 29Dec AUH-LHR(EY A380)-LAX(BA A380) 30Dec LAX-AUS(AS), Expedia, Stephem x5 pax
January
2Jan DXB-LHR(BA F)-LAX(BA F)-AUS(AS), Expedia Tariq 3 pax
3Jan DXB-DOH-LHR(QR F)-LAX(BA F)-AUS(AA), Expedia, ChurchofTee 1 pax
3Jan DXB-DOH-LHR(QR F)-LAX(BA F)-JFK-AUS, Travelocity, jona970318
February
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Rules Search: Departing DXB on 06/01/15 for AUS Fare basis code F1MEOW Flying BA Routing via North Atlantic Rule Category Rule Text RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. AREA2/AREA3 TO UNITED STATES FULLY-FLEX PREMIUM/WORLD TRAVELLERPLUS/WORLD TRAVELLER FARES. APPLICATION AREA THESE FARES APPLY FROM AREA 2/AREA 3 TO UNITED STATES. CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS/ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ROUND-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS. CAPACITY LIMITATIONS THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS, WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST JUDGEMENT. ELIGIBILITY NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY. DAY/TIME NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY. SEASONALITY NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY. FLIGHT APPLICATION NO FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY. ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING NO ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING REQUIREMENTS APPLY. MINIMUM STAY NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY. MAXIMUM STAY NO MAXIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY. STOPOVERS UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE OUTBOUND AND ON THE INBOUND FARE COMPONENTS. TRANSFERS UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION. FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT. COMBINATIONS SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT PERMITTED. END-ON-END END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION. BLACKOUT DATES NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY. SURCHARGES FARE RULE NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. MANDATORY TO ISSUE E TICKETS ON ANY JOURNEY WHICH IS E-TICKETABLE. ISSUANCE OF A PAPER TICKET WOULD ATTRACT A CHARGE OF AED 500. GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11. AND - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR IB. MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11. AND - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR AA. MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11. AND - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR AS. MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11. AND - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR QF. MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11. AND - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR AY. MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11. AND - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR US. MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11. MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. AND - ORIGINATING NORTH AMERICA - FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 705.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. AND - ORIGINATING MIDDLE EAST - FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 554.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR IB. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR AA. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR AS. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR QF. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR AY. OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR US. THERE IS NO FUEL SURCHARGE PER ANY PASSENGER. ORIGINATING NORTH AMERICA - FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 705.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. AND - ORIGINATING MIDDLE EAST - FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 554.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER. ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED. TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY. SALES RESTRICTIONS FARE RULE ORIGINATING UNITED ARAB EMIRATES - TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING. GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED TICKETS MAY NOT BE SOLD IN ARGENTINA/VENEZUELA. TICKETS MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3. PENALTIES NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. NO PENALTIES UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED REFUND WITHOUT PENALTY PERMITTED AT ANY TIME UNLIMITED CHANGES WITHOUT PENALTY PERMITTED AT ANY TIME ---------------------------------------------- A CHANGE IS A DATE/FLIGHT/ROUTING/RESERVATION CHANGE ---------------------------------------------- CANCELLATIONS ARE PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY OF ORIGINAL TICKET ----------------------------------------------- PARTIALLY USED TICKETS- REFUND THE DIFFERENCE - IF ANY - BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY TRAVELLED ------------------------------------------- WHEN COMBINING A REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A NON-REFUNDABLE FARE 1. THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE REFUNDABLE FARE COMPONENT IS REFUNDED LESS ANY APPLICABLE PENALTY 2. THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE NON-REFUNDABLE FARE COMPONENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED -------------------------------------------- //CHANGES BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPARTURE// 1.WHEN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE RE-PRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED 2.WHEN THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT BUT OTHER FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED THE ITINERARY MUST BE RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED-WHICHEVER IS LOWER. ----------------------------------------------- //CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE// THE ITINERARY MUST BE RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE ----------------------------------------------- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED ----------------------------------------------- WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE A REFUND OF THE RESIDUAL LESS ANY APPLICABLE PENALTY WILL BE MADE ------------------------------------------------ HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY. TICKET ENDORSEMENTS TICKET ENDORSEMENT NOT REQUIRED. CHILDREN DISCOUNTS CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR UNDER 12 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN. MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER. OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH. TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME...CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS. AGENT DISCOUNTS FARE RULE NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. AGENTS DISCOUNTS PERMITTED GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS. ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS. MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS NO PROVISIONS APPLY. FARE BY RULE NOT APPLICABLE. GROUPS NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY. TOURS NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY. VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY. DEPOSITS NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY. VOLUNTARY CHANGES IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF BA INTERNATIONAL FARES NO CHARGE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS AND REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT 2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 3. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED 4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET 5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT OR - REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED 3. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS. OR - AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY THOSE OF BA INTERNATIONAL FARES NO CHARGE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS AND REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET- 1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC 2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT 3. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED 4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET 5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN ADD-COLLECT ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS. . VOLUNTARY REFUNDS NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND. NEGOTIATED FARES NOT APPLICABLE. INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
Depends on if they're AA coded or BA coded and whether you have elite status or not. Also depends on what program you credit to - below are the numbers for AAdvantage.
Base Miles:
DXB-LHR - 3421
LHR-LAX - 5456
LAX-AUS - 1242
BA Coded Flights get you:
DXB-LHR
EQM = 3421
EQP = 5131
RDM = 5131 (non Elite), 6842 (AA Gold), 8552 (AA Plat and EXP)
LHR-LAX
EQM = 5456
EQP = 8184
RDM = 8184 (non Elite), 10912 (AA Gold), 13640 (AA Plat and EXP)
LAX-AUS
EQM = 1242
EQP = 1863
RDM = 1863 (non Elite), 2484 (AA Gold), 3105 (AA Plat and EXP)
AA Coded Flights get you (assuming you take the flights are 5/15/2015):
DXB-LHR
EQM = 3421
EQP = 6842 (booked in A), 10263 (booked in F)
RDM = 11131 (non Elite), 12842 (AA Gold), 14552 (AA Plat), 20552 (AA EXP)
LHR-LAX
EQM = 5456
EQP = 10912 (booked in A), 16368 (booked in F)
RDM = 14184 (non Elite), 16912 (AA Gold), 19640 (AA Plat), 25640 (AA EXP)
LAX-AUS
EQM = 1242
EQP = 2484 (booked in A), 3726 (booked in F)
RDM = 2363 (non Elite), 2984 (AA Gold), 4005 (AA Plat), 4105 (AA EXP)
This is a very quick estimate so there might be errors in it. I recommend you double check the calculations before taking them as accurate I can't recall if the fare books into A or F fare buckets so for the AA coded flights I've given both numbers as a guide. I've also assumed you're flying on either a BA or AA operated flight.
Base Miles:
DXB-LHR - 3421
LHR-LAX - 5456
LAX-AUS - 1242
BA Coded Flights get you:
DXB-LHR
EQM = 3421
EQP = 5131
RDM = 5131 (non Elite), 6842 (AA Gold), 8552 (AA Plat and EXP)
LHR-LAX
EQM = 5456
EQP = 8184
RDM = 8184 (non Elite), 10912 (AA Gold), 13640 (AA Plat and EXP)
LAX-AUS
EQM = 1242
EQP = 1863
RDM = 1863 (non Elite), 2484 (AA Gold), 3105 (AA Plat and EXP)
AA Coded Flights get you (assuming you take the flights are 5/15/2015):
DXB-LHR
EQM = 3421
EQP = 6842 (booked in A), 10263 (booked in F)
RDM = 11131 (non Elite), 12842 (AA Gold), 14552 (AA Plat), 20552 (AA EXP)
LHR-LAX
EQM = 5456
EQP = 10912 (booked in A), 16368 (booked in F)
RDM = 14184 (non Elite), 16912 (AA Gold), 19640 (AA Plat), 25640 (AA EXP)
LAX-AUS
EQM = 1242
EQP = 2484 (booked in A), 3726 (booked in F)
RDM = 2363 (non Elite), 2984 (AA Gold), 4005 (AA Plat), 4105 (AA EXP)
This is a very quick estimate so there might be errors in it. I recommend you double check the calculations before taking them as accurate I can't recall if the fare books into A or F fare buckets so for the AA coded flights I've given both numbers as a guide. I've also assumed you're flying on either a BA or AA operated flight.
(PREM FARE GONE) DXB-AUS o/w various alliances $1200-1500 First & Business combo
#272
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DOT supported us nicely on the EY cmbdfw F fare and UA didn't flinch about honoring the bosocn GF fare . This is not immediately distinguishable from those situations. Maybe you can say the UA and AA incidents have changes things, but neither of the caveats from those cases seem to apply here.
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#274
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I am not sure why people still hold strong confidence toward DoT. The last time, and maybe the only time, DoT flexed its muscle was RGN R1 against KE back in 2012, and since then numerous "discounted" sales took place, DoT either didn't step in, or always came up certain excuses to opt out.
For example, AA claimed 'mistake' on the recent DCA-PEK J fares, but they only canceled tickets on hold. There was never any question of them choosing not to honor fully issued tickets.
The DOT regulations have held up very well in 'vanilla' cases where the travel is to or from the US, tickets were marketed to US customers, and ticket numbers were issued. ^
#275
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There is some truth to this. I just went back and read the DOT commentary wrt the original decision on imposing the post-purchase price increase rule.
It actually includes some language on holds vs fully purchased and marketed/sold in vs out of US (as both were addressed by commentors).
Holds:
"For purposes of this section, a purchase is not deemed to have occurred until the full amount agreed upon has been paid by the consumer. "
Marketed/sold outside US:
"Additionally, to address the comments about the applicability of this section to tickets marketed and sold in Europe, the final rule specifies that with respect to ticket agents and foreign air carriers, these requirements only apply to advertising or selling in the United States of air transportation or tours. "
It is here FYI http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules...20Register.pdf
So I think the hold and primarily marketed outside US rationales in the recent AA and UA cases were foreshadowed. But neither of those issues are in play here, I agree this looks on first inspection to be a fairly plain vanilla case. Whether the BA or the DOT will see it that way remains to be seen. I also think Skunker is on to something in his comments about whether the carrier selected for the "to EU" segment(s) will be honored or even have to be honored under the DOT regulation (meaning BA could rebook in F on its own metal DXB-LHR). It's possible that we'll see some development in that area even though the regulation is silent on it.
It actually includes some language on holds vs fully purchased and marketed/sold in vs out of US (as both were addressed by commentors).
Holds:
"For purposes of this section, a purchase is not deemed to have occurred until the full amount agreed upon has been paid by the consumer. "
Marketed/sold outside US:
"Additionally, to address the comments about the applicability of this section to tickets marketed and sold in Europe, the final rule specifies that with respect to ticket agents and foreign air carriers, these requirements only apply to advertising or selling in the United States of air transportation or tours. "
It is here FYI http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules...20Register.pdf
So I think the hold and primarily marketed outside US rationales in the recent AA and UA cases were foreshadowed. But neither of those issues are in play here, I agree this looks on first inspection to be a fairly plain vanilla case. Whether the BA or the DOT will see it that way remains to be seen. I also think Skunker is on to something in his comments about whether the carrier selected for the "to EU" segment(s) will be honored or even have to be honored under the DOT regulation (meaning BA could rebook in F on its own metal DXB-LHR). It's possible that we'll see some development in that area even though the regulation is silent on it.
DOT doesn't have to step in when the airlines already know the case is futile, only when the airlines think they have some loophole and proceed to cancel tickets.
For example, AA claimed 'mistake' on the recent DCA-PEK J fares, but they only canceled tickets on hold. There was never any question of them choosing not to honor fully issued tickets.
The DOT regulations have held up very well in 'vanilla' cases where the travel is to or from the US, tickets were marketed to US customers, and ticket numbers were issued. ^
For example, AA claimed 'mistake' on the recent DCA-PEK J fares, but they only canceled tickets on hold. There was never any question of them choosing not to honor fully issued tickets.
The DOT regulations have held up very well in 'vanilla' cases where the travel is to or from the US, tickets were marketed to US customers, and ticket numbers were issued. ^
#277
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Just cancelled my DXB-LHR-BOS-DFW-AUS (EK F / BA F). While I'd love to fly EK/BA F for the first time, can't justify >$3K for two people when I already have tickets on miles and too many miles to use as it is.
Oh well. I'm starting to collect AS miles so I'll just have to book a (longer) EK flight for a different trip!
Oh well. I'm starting to collect AS miles so I'll just have to book a (longer) EK flight for a different trip!
#278
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How do you get an actual e-ticket from BA/AA if you booked this through priceline? When I "manage my booking" on BA, it shows flights and first class "confirmed." When I check status on AA it shows "Ticketed." Priceline has sent me the ticket numbers (which start with a 125 that's typical of BA tickets), but I don't have any information on the Fare type, etc that folks are posting seeing (i.e. the F1MEOW)?
#279
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DOT doesn't have to step in when the airlines already know the case is futile, only when the airlines think they have some loophole and proceed to cancel tickets.
For example, AA claimed 'mistake' on the recent DCA-PEK J fares, but they only canceled tickets on hold. There was never any question of them choosing not to honor fully issued tickets.
The DOT regulations have held up very well in 'vanilla' cases where the travel is to or from the US, tickets were marketed to US customers, and ticket numbers were issued. ^
For example, AA claimed 'mistake' on the recent DCA-PEK J fares, but they only canceled tickets on hold. There was never any question of them choosing not to honor fully issued tickets.
The DOT regulations have held up very well in 'vanilla' cases where the travel is to or from the US, tickets were marketed to US customers, and ticket numbers were issued. ^
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For example, mine says "Tickets are refundable" in bold.
#284
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A) Not sure this was a mistake, as someone pointed out, it's not that different from normal ex-CMB fares that route through DXB and LON in F. It's not that different from this fare on an 'each way' basis: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/premi...-3-600-rt.html
- it was a full, unrestricted F fare
- it was priced barely above the cheapest Y fare
- there was no fare at all priced above full J
- the corrected fare differed by a factor of 10 (dropped digit)
Before:
After:
However, practically I agree it is comparable to some of the deep-discounted first-class fares in some markets (ex-CMB, etc). That is how a typical customer would view these: looking at total cost, not the technical details of the underlying fare basis.
I expect the usual 7 stages of the mistake fare to progress over the next few days...
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Spoke to Mrs. KL808 and she said that it would be too much flying for our 9 month old son for us to get home from MXP back to LAX in one shot.
Oh well had to cancel my Itin on Expedia.
My tickets on Expedia had a $21 booking fee (3pax), will that get refunded too under the 24 hour banner, or do I have to suck that up for lesson learned not to book on expedia?
I booked through expedia since I was able to get the first dxb-lhr route on a AA coded flight.
Oh well had to cancel my Itin on Expedia.
My tickets on Expedia had a $21 booking fee (3pax), will that get refunded too under the 24 hour banner, or do I have to suck that up for lesson learned not to book on expedia?
I booked through expedia since I was able to get the first dxb-lhr route on a AA coded flight.