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Old Apr 9, 2015, 6:58 pm
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Is the fare being honored? For all carriers? Yes, and yes, so far it seems we have EY, EK, QR and BA segments that seem to have worked fine.

Can I make changes to my ticket before I fly the first segment? There haven't been any reports of this yet. While technically you should be able to make changes to other than the first segment prior to flying, it's unlikely you'll get an agent to do that. If you booked through a travel agent, your agent may be able to do this. If you booked through an online OTA, it's unlikely. But give it a try and report back.

Can I make changes once I have flown the first segment? There is at least one report from a FT member that they checked with a BA agent in London about changing routing and moving to the LHR-LAX A380 and that member didn't get any resistance or any indication there would be any amount collected (this FT member ultimately didn't make the change so the ticket wasn't actually reissued). From all reports, BA hasn't done anything to mark these fares, so being what they are (fully flex F), you should be able to make changes in LHR, even rerouting and your transAtl segment and adding additional segments within the US on AA, assuming there is space at the last minute.

Dates Routing Booking Engine Member

April

May

June

July

August
Aug20 DXB-DOH-LHR(QR F)-LAX(BA F)-JFK-AUS, Travelocity, jona970318 +1

September

October

November

December
28Dec XNB-AUH(EY bus) 29Dec AUH-LHR(EY A380)-LAX(BA A380) 30Dec LAX-AUS(AS), Expedia, Stephem x5 pax

January
2Jan DXB-LHR(BA F)-LAX(BA F)-AUS(AS), Expedia Tariq 3 pax
3Jan DXB-DOH-LHR(QR F)-LAX(BA F)-AUS(AA), Expedia, ChurchofTee 1 pax
3Jan DXB-DOH-LHR(QR F)-LAX(BA F)-JFK-AUS, Travelocity, jona970318
February


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Search: Departing DXB on 06/01/15 for AUS
 Fare basis code F1MEOW
 Flying BA
 Routing via North Atlantic
 





Rule Category Rule Text 


RULE APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS    NOTE - THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS INFORMATIONAL AND NOT
   VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
   AREA2/AREA3 TO UNITED STATES FULLY-FLEX PREMIUM/WORLD
   TRAVELLERPLUS/WORLD TRAVELLER FARES.
   APPLICATION
    AREA
     THESE FARES APPLY
      FROM AREA 2/AREA 3
      TO UNITED STATES.
    CLASS OF SERVICE
     THESE FARES APPLY FOR FIRST/BUSINESS/ECONOMY CLASS
      SERVICE.
    TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
     FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
      ROUND-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
    CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
     THE CARRIER SHALL LIMIT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS
      CARRIED ON ANY ONE FLIGHT AT FARES GOVERNED BY
      THIS RULE AND SUCH FARES WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE
      AVAILABLE ON ALL FLIGHTS. THE NUMBER OF SEATS,
      WHICH THE CARRIER SHALL MAKE AVAILABLE ON A GIVEN
      FLIGHT, WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE CARRIERS BEST
      JUDGEMENT.
 
ELIGIBILITY    NO ELIGIBILITY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
 
DAY/TIME    NO DAY/TIME TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
 
SEASONALITY    NO SEASONAL TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
 
FLIGHT APPLICATION    NO FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
 
ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING    NO ADVANCE RESERVATIONS/TICKETING REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
 
MINIMUM STAY    NO MINIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
 
MAXIMUM STAY    NO MAXIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS APPLY.
 
STOPOVERS    UNLIMITED STOPOVERS PERMITTED ON THE OUTBOUND AND ON
   THE INBOUND FARE COMPONENTS.
 
TRANSFERS    UNLIMITED TRANSFERS PERMITTED IN EACH DIRECTION.
   FARE BREAK AND EMBEDDED SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON
   THE FARE COMPONENT.
 
COMBINATIONS     SINGLE/DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOT
    PERMITTED.
   END-ON-END
     END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE
     COMPONENTS. SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO
     RESTRICTIONS. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF
     COMBINATION.
 
BLACKOUT DATES    NO BLACKOUT DATES APPLY.
 
SURCHARGES    FARE RULE
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          MANDATORY TO ISSUE E TICKETS ON ANY JOURNEY WHICH
          IS E-TICKETABLE. ISSUANCE OF A PAPER TICKET WOULD
          ATTRACT A CHARGE OF AED 500.
 
   GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
   IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11.
   AND - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
         TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR IB.
     MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER
     DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER
     ANY PASSENGER.
   IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11.
   AND - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
         TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR AA.
     MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER
     DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER
     ANY PASSENGER.
   IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11.
   AND - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
         TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR AS.
     MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER
     DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER
     ANY PASSENGER.
   IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11.
   AND - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
         TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR QF.
     MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER
     DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER
     ANY PASSENGER.
   IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11.
   AND - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
         TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR AY.
     MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER
     DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER
     ANY PASSENGER.
   IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11.
   AND - THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
         TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR US.
     MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER
     DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER
     ANY PASSENGER.
   IF UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11.
     MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 150.00 PER
     DIRECTION WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER
     ANY PASSENGER.
     AND - ORIGINATING NORTH AMERICA -
       FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 705.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE
       ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER.
     AND - ORIGINATING MIDDLE EAST -
       FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 554.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE
       ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER.
   THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
   TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR IB.
   OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR AA.
   OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR AS.
   OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR QF.
   OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR AY.
   OR - TICKETS MUST BE ISSUED ON THE STOCK OF BA OR US.
     THERE IS NO FUEL SURCHARGE PER ANY PASSENGER.
   ORIGINATING NORTH AMERICA -
     FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 705.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE
     ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER.
     AND - ORIGINATING MIDDLE EAST -
       FUEL SURCHARGE OF USD 554.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE
       ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY PASSENGER.
 
ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL    ACCOMPANIED TRAVEL NOT REQUIRED.
 
TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS    NO TRAVEL DATE RESTRICTIONS APPLY.
 
SALES RESTRICTIONS    FARE RULE
   ORIGINATING UNITED ARAB EMIRATES -
     TICKETS MAY BE ISSUED BY ELECTRONIC TICKETING.
 
   GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
   TICKETS MAY NOT BE SOLD IN ARGENTINA/VENEZUELA.
   TICKETS MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN AREA 1/AREA 2/AREA 3.
 
PENALTIES          NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          NO PENALTIES UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
          REFUND WITHOUT PENALTY PERMITTED AT ANY TIME
          UNLIMITED CHANGES WITHOUT PENALTY PERMITTED
          AT ANY TIME
          ----------------------------------------------
          A CHANGE IS A DATE/FLIGHT/ROUTING/RESERVATION
          CHANGE
          ----------------------------------------------
          CANCELLATIONS ARE PERMITTED WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
          OF ORIGINAL TICKET
          -----------------------------------------------
          PARTIALLY USED TICKETS-
          REFUND THE DIFFERENCE - IF ANY - BETWEEN THE FARE
          PAID AND THE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY TRAVELLED
          -------------------------------------------
          WHEN COMBINING A REFUNDABLE FARE WITH A
          NON-REFUNDABLE FARE
          1. THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE REFUNDABLE FARE
          COMPONENT IS REFUNDED LESS ANY APPLICABLE
          PENALTY
          2. THE AMOUNT PAID ON THE NON-REFUNDABLE
          FARE COMPONENT WILL NOT BE REFUNDED
          --------------------------------------------
          //CHANGES BEFORE OUTBOUND DEPARTURE//
          1.WHEN THE FIRST FARE COMPONENT IS CHANGED THE
          ITINERARY MUST BE RE-PRICED USING CURRENT FARES IN
          EFFECT ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED
          2.WHEN THERE ARE NO CHANGES TO THE FIRST FARE
          COMPONENT BUT OTHER FARE COMPONENTS ARE CHANGED
          THE ITINERARY MUST BE RE-PRICED USING
          HISTORICAL FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS
          TICKETING DATE OR USING CURRENT FARES IN EFFECT
          ON THE DATE THE TICKET IS REISSUED-WHICHEVER IS
          LOWER.
          -----------------------------------------------
          //CHANGES AFTER DEPARTURE//
          THE ITINERARY MUST BE RE-PRICED USING HISTORICAL
          FARES IN EFFECT ON THE PREVIOUS TICKETING DATE
          -----------------------------------------------
          WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE
          THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE COLLECTED
          -----------------------------------------------
          WHEN THE NEW ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE A
          REFUND OF THE RESIDUAL LESS ANY APPLICABLE PENALTY
          WILL BE MADE
          ------------------------------------------------
 
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS    NO HIP OR MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS APPLY.
 
TICKET ENDORSEMENTS    TICKET ENDORSEMENT NOT REQUIRED.
 
CHILDREN DISCOUNTS    CNN/ACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR UNDER 12 - CHARGE 75
     PERCENT OF THE FARE.
         TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
     MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
       COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
   OR - INS/INFANT WITH A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 75
          PERCENT OF THE FARE.
              TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
          MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
            COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
   OR - INF/INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT PSGR UNDER 2 - CHARGE 10
          PERCENT OF THE FARE.
              TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
          MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN THE SAME
            COMPARTMENT BY ADULT PSGR 12 OR OLDER.
   OR - UNN/UNACCOMPANIED CHILD PSGR 5-11 - CHARGE 100
          PERCENT OF THE FARE.
              TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH.
 
TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS          NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE
          AT THIS TIME...CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
 
AGENT DISCOUNTS    FARE RULE
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
           AGENTS DISCOUNTS PERMITTED
 
   GENERAL RULE - APPLY UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.
          DISCOUNTS APPLY. INFORMATION IS NOT AVAILABLE
          AT THIS TIME. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.
 
ALL OTHER DISCOUNTS    NO DISCOUNTS FOR OTHERS.
 
MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS    NO PROVISIONS APPLY.
 
FARE BY RULE    NOT APPLICABLE.
 
GROUPS    NO GROUP PROVISIONS APPLY.
 
TOURS    NO TOUR PROVISIONS APPLY.
 
VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY    NO VISIT ANOTHER COUNTRY PROVISIONS APPLY.
 
DEPOSITS    NO DEPOSIT PROVISIONS APPLY.
 
VOLUNTARY CHANGES    IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
   BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
   CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
   BY THOSE OF BA INTERNATIONAL FARES
   NO CHARGE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
   COMPONENTS AND
     REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
     PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
     1. NO CHANGE TO 1ST FARE COMPONENT
     2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
     MUST BE DOMESTIC
     3. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED
     4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
     5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
     DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
     OR -
     REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
     PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
     1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
     MUST BE DOMESTIC
     2. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED
     3. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
     DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
   WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN
   ADD-COLLECT
   ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
   ENDORSEMENTS.
   OR -
   AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TICKET VALIDITY
   CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN
   BY THOSE OF BA INTERNATIONAL FARES
   NO CHARGE CHARGE HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED FARE
   COMPONENTS AND
     REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
     PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
     1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL
     MUST BE DOMESTIC
     2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
     3. ANY CARRIER FARES ARE USED
     4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
     5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
     DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
   WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN
   ADD-COLLECT
   ENDORSEMENT BOX - HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
   ENDORSEMENTS.
.
 
VOLUNTARY REFUNDS    NO VOLUNTARY REFUNDS DATA FOUND.
 
NEGOTIATED FARES    NOT APPLICABLE.
 
INTERNATIONAL CONSTRUCTION    NOT A CONSTRUCTED FARE
Originally Posted by k_getchell
Depends on if they're AA coded or BA coded and whether you have elite status or not. Also depends on what program you credit to - below are the numbers for AAdvantage.

Base Miles:
DXB-LHR - 3421
LHR-LAX - 5456
LAX-AUS - 1242

BA Coded Flights get you:
DXB-LHR
EQM = 3421
EQP = 5131
RDM = 5131 (non Elite), 6842 (AA Gold), 8552 (AA Plat and EXP)

LHR-LAX
EQM = 5456
EQP = 8184
RDM = 8184 (non Elite), 10912 (AA Gold), 13640 (AA Plat and EXP)

LAX-AUS
EQM = 1242
EQP = 1863
RDM = 1863 (non Elite), 2484 (AA Gold), 3105 (AA Plat and EXP)

AA Coded Flights get you (assuming you take the flights are 5/15/2015):
DXB-LHR
EQM = 3421
EQP = 6842 (booked in A), 10263 (booked in F)
RDM = 11131 (non Elite), 12842 (AA Gold), 14552 (AA Plat), 20552 (AA EXP)

LHR-LAX
EQM = 5456
EQP = 10912 (booked in A), 16368 (booked in F)
RDM = 14184 (non Elite), 16912 (AA Gold), 19640 (AA Plat), 25640 (AA EXP)

LAX-AUS
EQM = 1242
EQP = 2484 (booked in A), 3726 (booked in F)
RDM = 2363 (non Elite), 2984 (AA Gold), 4005 (AA Plat), 4105 (AA EXP)

This is a very quick estimate so there might be errors in it. I recommend you double check the calculations before taking them as accurate I can't recall if the fare books into A or F fare buckets so for the AA coded flights I've given both numbers as a guide. I've also assumed you're flying on either a BA or AA operated flight.
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 10:44 am
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Given that BA will be on the hook for full F prices to non JV/codeshare partners, one wonders if they'd just put everyone on BA F, still following DOT regs...
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 10:45 am
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DOT supported us nicely on the EY cmbdfw F fare and UA didn't flinch about honoring the bosocn GF fare . This is not immediately distinguishable from those situations. Maybe you can say the UA and AA incidents have changes things, but neither of the caveats from those cases seem to apply here.
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by yerffej201
Given that BA will be on the hook for full F prices to non JV/codeshare partners, one wonders if they'd just put everyone on BA F, still following DOT regs...
Yes, and anyone who booked LX is crazy. You know that's not going to fly (literally).
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by lewende
I am not sure why people still hold strong confidence toward DoT. The last time, and maybe the only time, DoT flexed its muscle was RGN R1 against KE back in 2012, and since then numerous "discounted" sales took place, DoT either didn't step in, or always came up certain excuses to opt out.
DOT doesn't have to step in when the airlines already know the case is futile, only when the airlines think they have some loophole and proceed to cancel tickets.

For example, AA claimed 'mistake' on the recent DCA-PEK J fares, but they only canceled tickets on hold. There was never any question of them choosing not to honor fully issued tickets.

The DOT regulations have held up very well in 'vanilla' cases where the travel is to or from the US, tickets were marketed to US customers, and ticket numbers were issued. ^
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 11:54 am
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There is some truth to this. I just went back and read the DOT commentary wrt the original decision on imposing the post-purchase price increase rule.
It actually includes some language on holds vs fully purchased and marketed/sold in vs out of US (as both were addressed by commentors).

Holds:
"For purposes of this section, a purchase is not deemed to have occurred until the full amount agreed upon has been paid by the consumer. "

Marketed/sold outside US:
"Additionally, to address the comments about the applicability of this section to tickets marketed and sold in Europe, the final rule specifies that with respect to ticket agents and foreign air carriers, these requirements only apply to advertising or selling in the United States of air transportation or tours. "

It is here FYI http://airconsumer.ost.dot.gov/rules...20Register.pdf

So I think the hold and primarily marketed outside US rationales in the recent AA and UA cases were foreshadowed. But neither of those issues are in play here, I agree this looks on first inspection to be a fairly plain vanilla case. Whether the BA or the DOT will see it that way remains to be seen. I also think Skunker is on to something in his comments about whether the carrier selected for the "to EU" segment(s) will be honored or even have to be honored under the DOT regulation (meaning BA could rebook in F on its own metal DXB-LHR). It's possible that we'll see some development in that area even though the regulation is silent on it.

Originally Posted by janetdoe
DOT doesn't have to step in when the airlines already know the case is futile, only when the airlines think they have some loophole and proceed to cancel tickets.

For example, AA claimed 'mistake' on the recent DCA-PEK J fares, but they only canceled tickets on hold. There was never any question of them choosing not to honor fully issued tickets.

The DOT regulations have held up very well in 'vanilla' cases where the travel is to or from the US, tickets were marketed to US customers, and ticket numbers were issued. ^
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 12:52 pm
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(PREM FARE GONE) DXB-AUS o/w various alliances $1200-1500 First & Business combo

Ugh missed this...
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 12:58 pm
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Just cancelled my DXB-LHR-BOS-DFW-AUS (EK F / BA F). While I'd love to fly EK/BA F for the first time, can't justify >$3K for two people when I already have tickets on miles and too many miles to use as it is.

Oh well. I'm starting to collect AS miles so I'll just have to book a (longer) EK flight for a different trip!
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 1:01 pm
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How do you get an actual e-ticket from BA/AA if you booked this through priceline? When I "manage my booking" on BA, it shows flights and first class "confirmed." When I check status on AA it shows "Ticketed." Priceline has sent me the ticket numbers (which start with a 125 that's typical of BA tickets), but I don't have any information on the Fare type, etc that folks are posting seeing (i.e. the F1MEOW)?
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 1:09 pm
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Originally Posted by janetdoe
DOT doesn't have to step in when the airlines already know the case is futile, only when the airlines think they have some loophole and proceed to cancel tickets.

For example, AA claimed 'mistake' on the recent DCA-PEK J fares, but they only canceled tickets on hold. There was never any question of them choosing not to honor fully issued tickets.

The DOT regulations have held up very well in 'vanilla' cases where the travel is to or from the US, tickets were marketed to US customers, and ticket numbers were issued. ^
I would feel bad for KE, SQ and DL that allowed me to fly (as in: had to allow me to fly based on DOT rulings) in luxury for much less than this fare, if the DOT would now allow BA to cancel...
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by Dr. HFH
I can see BA (and eventually DOT) hanging its hat on F less than J is an obvious mistake.
There are plenty of routes and instances where discounted BA F costs less than (flex) BA J, once the discounted J buckets are sold out.
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 1:17 pm
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How do I check if I have a ticket which is fully refundable ? I booked via expedia and don't seem to find the fare basis.

Its DXB-LHR-SEA-AUS for what its worth. The first 2 legs on BA and last one on Alaska .
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 1:25 pm
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Time to start adding Month/Day/Routing/BookingEngine to the Wiki??
We'll need something to pass the time as the wheels churn inside BA on this one ;-)
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 1:33 pm
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Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy001
How do I check if I have a ticket which is fully refundable ? I booked via expedia and don't seem to find the fare basis.

Its DXB-LHR-SEA-AUS for what its worth. The first 2 legs on BA and last one on Alaska .
Towards the bottom of your Expedia email confirmation, it will say under the header "Airline Rules & Regulations."

For example, mine says "Tickets are refundable" in bold.
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by janetdoe
A) Not sure this was a mistake, as someone pointed out, it's not that different from normal ex-CMB fares that route through DXB and LON in F. It's not that different from this fare on an 'each way' basis: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/premi...-3-600-rt.html
Purely technically, I'm pretty sure it was a mistake fare, given that:
  1. it was a full, unrestricted F fare
  2. it was priced barely above the cheapest Y fare
  3. there was no fare at all priced above full J
  4. the corrected fare differed by a factor of 10 (dropped digit)
Compare fare basis F1MEOW below:

Before:



After:



However, practically I agree it is comparable to some of the deep-discounted first-class fares in some markets (ex-CMB, etc). That is how a typical customer would view these: looking at total cost, not the technical details of the underlying fare basis.

I expect the usual 7 stages of the mistake fare to progress over the next few days...
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Old Apr 10, 2015, 1:42 pm
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Spoke to Mrs. KL808 and she said that it would be too much flying for our 9 month old son for us to get home from MXP back to LAX in one shot.

Oh well had to cancel my Itin on Expedia.

My tickets on Expedia had a $21 booking fee (3pax), will that get refunded too under the 24 hour banner, or do I have to suck that up for lesson learned not to book on expedia?

I booked through expedia since I was able to get the first dxb-lhr route on a AA coded flight.
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