(Fare Gone) AA: LAX-SYD in (QF) FIRST $1242 AI
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lol yeah, that's probably not for the best... do keep your fellow FTers in mind!
I don't know if they can/can't deny boarding but they definitely can't change/cancel your ticket without you physically presenting it to them.
I called EXP desk to change my BA paper ticket and they said they couldn't touch it - I had to bring it in.
I don't know if they can/can't deny boarding but they definitely can't change/cancel your ticket without you physically presenting it to them.
I called EXP desk to change my BA paper ticket and they said they couldn't touch it - I had to bring it in.
So if they can't change it without me presenting the ticket, it would improve the odds of it being honored... any advice fellow FTs?
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I'm waiting, it seems that it's 100 bucks.. I'll give it a day... I'll drop by, inquire at the office the real cost and see what to do... I mean I'm not one to rock the boat, in any way shape or form... But I think that if you have a paper ticket issued, they cannot deny boarding, right?????
If you show up with an e-ticket confirmation but AA messed around with your cupons beforehand, adjusting them to Q / Economy then you may be in a less fortunate position.
That being said, I would think paper tickets only make sense for people with booking class A to seal their deal ! I dont see the point for Q cupons to be printed except the printed itinerary would say First. Then you could argue AA even issued you the booked fare under supervision of a ticketing agent, referring to negligence / liability.
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OK, I got my ticket on Orbitz, but I did a search for First class and that was the fare that popped up...
The reservation on AA.com shows up as:
First
A
So I'm definitely a A fare per AA.com... so continuing with this thought process, a paper ticket with an A fare would significantly cement my case... right?
The reservation on AA.com shows up as:
First
A
So I'm definitely a A fare per AA.com... so continuing with this thought process, a paper ticket with an A fare would significantly cement my case... right?
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I don't/won't call AA to discuss it in too much detail, I want my reservation to still be under the radar, but this opens an interesting twist... anyone have experience with Paper tickets.. the last one I had was back in 2001-2, as a non-elite... and it was just a regular ticket...
Also, the booking code on the paper tickets will match what you see online, segment by segment.
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OK, I got my ticket on Orbitz, but I did a search for First class and that was the fare that popped up...
The reservation on AA.com shows up as:
First
A
So I'm definitely a A fare per AA.com... so continuing with this thought process, a paper ticket with an A fare would significantly cement my case... right?
The reservation on AA.com shows up as:
First
A
So I'm definitely a A fare per AA.com... so continuing with this thought process, a paper ticket with an A fare would significantly cement my case... right?
Can you get paper tickets from AA even though you purchased from Orbitz ? That I dont know.
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OK, I got my ticket on Orbitz, but I did a search for First class and that was the fare that popped up...
The reservation on AA.com shows up as:
First
A
So I'm definitely a A fare per AA.com... so continuing with this thought process, a paper ticket with an A fare would significantly cement my case... right?
The reservation on AA.com shows up as:
First
A
So I'm definitely a A fare per AA.com... so continuing with this thought process, a paper ticket with an A fare would significantly cement my case... right?
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Not so fast. Everyone's ticket is showing "A" as the booking code on aa.com. You don't know if your underlying fare code is A or Q. aa.com does not indicate this once the ticket is purchased. You very well may be on a Q fare, and that would definitely show up on a paper ticket.
And then, you still have the "blank checks" for QF
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Not so fast. Everyone's ticket is showing "A" as the booking code on aa.com. You don't know if your underlying fare code is A or Q. aa.com does not indicate this once the ticket is purchased. You very well may be on a Q fare, and that would definitely show up on a paper ticket.
https://www.refunds.aa.com/
Enter ticket #, last name, and click go. It will bring up your itinerary and fare basis for each leg.
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Fare basis code: QL0QP1Y Penalties This ticket is non-refundable. Changes to this ticket will incur an airline change fee of $250 per ticket and an Orbitz exchange fee of $30 per ticket. CANCELLATIONS ANY TIME TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE IN CASE OF CANCEL/NO-SHOW/ REFUND. WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE/ILLNESS OR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - WAIVER ALSO APPLIES FOR TRAVELING COMPANION. TICKET HAS NO VALUE UNLESS TICKETED FLIGHTS ARE CANCELLED PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME. CHANGES ANY TIME CHARGE USD 250.00. WAIVED FOR SCHEDULE CHANGE/ILLNESS OR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER. NOTE - WAIVER ALSO APPLIES TO TRAVELING COMPANION. THE ORIGINAL NON-REFUNDABLE AMOUNT REMAINS NON-REFUNDABLE. CHANGES ARE PERMITTED PRIOR TO THE TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME OF EACH FLIGHT PROVIDED THE NEW ITINERARY MEETS ALL THE PROVISIONS OF THE NEW FARE PURCHASED I.E. ADVANCE RESERVATION/TICKET PURCHASE MINIMUM /MAXIMUM STAY REQUIREMENTS. ITINERARIES MAY BE REBOOKED AND TRAVEL MUST COMMENCE UP TO ONE YEAR FROM THE ORIGINAL TICKET ISSUE DATE PROVIDED TICKETED FLIGHT IS CANCELLED PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME. IF TICKETED FLIGHT IS NOT CANCELLED PRIOR TO TICKETED DEPARTURE TIME TICKET HAS NO VALUE. TICKETS AT THESE FARES MAY NOT BE REVALIDATED TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED. FARE DIFFERENCE AND CHANGE FEE MUST BE PAID AND TICKETS MUST BE REISSUED WHEN THE ITINERARY IS REBOOKED. WHEN THE ITINERARY RESULTS IN A HIGHER FARE THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE ADD COLLECTED AND THE USD 250.00 CHANGE FEE WILL APPLY. WHEN THE ITINERARY RESULTS IN A LOWER FARE NO REFUNDS WILL BE MADE HOWEVER THE DIFFERENCE IN FARE WILL BE RETURNED TO THE PASSENGER IN THE FORM OF A NON REFUNDABLE TRAVEL VOUCHER WHICH MAY BE APPLIED TOWARDS THE PURCHASE OF A TICKET VALID FOR TRANSPORTATION GOVERNED BY AA. THE USD 250.00 CHANGE FEE WILL APPLY. Return to top Travel Restrictions TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS: NO RESTRICTION Return to top Blackout Dates BLACKOUT DATES: NO RESTRICTION Return to top Seasonality PERMITTED 01MAY 10 THROUGH 08JUN 10 OR 24JUL 10 THROUGH 21SEP 10 ON THE OUTBOUND TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR. Return to top Flight Applications THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AS FLIGHT AA FLIGHTS 6750 THROUGH 7128 AA FLIGHTS 7454 THROUGH 7637 AA FLIGHTS 8050 THROUGH 8099. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR BUT NOT ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING AA FLIGHTS 7950 THROUGH 7969. AND THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL VIA EACH TRANSPACIFIC SECTOR ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING AA FLIGHTS 7290 THROUGH 7423. Return to top Day/Time Application DAY/TIME APPLICATION: NO RESTRICTION Return to top Minimum Stay MINIMUM STAY: NO RESTRICTION Return to top Maximum Stay TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN MIDNIGHT 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN. Return to top Surcharges (included in your fare) IF INFANT UNDER 02 WITHOUT A SEAT. OR - CONTRACT BULK INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 02. OR - MILITARY INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 02. OR - INE UNDER 02. OR - INCLUSIVE TOUR INFANT WITHOUT A SEAT UNDER 02. A SECURITY SURCHARGE OF HKD 33 PER COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR DEPARTURE FROM HKG AIRPORT. NOTE - SURCHARGE APPLIES TO - 1/ INFANTS 2/ PASSENGERS TRANSFERRING/TRANSITING HONG KONG 3/ PASSENGERS TRAVELLING ON INDUSTRY/AGENGY DISCOUNT /ID/AD/ TICKETS 4/ PASSENGERS HOLDING DIPLOMATIC PASSPORTS A SECURITY SURCHARGE OF HKD 33 PER COUPON WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR DEPARTURE FROM HKG AIRPORT. 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I wonder exactly how the payments get made. AA collected the money so they have to distribute it to QF. But how much are they on the hook for? They only collected ~$1500 so do they give out a proportion of that or is there a fixed rate based on the fare basis?
This was an AA fare on AA stock, so it makes sense they are liable. However, with the BA tickets, it was a BA fare, but many were issued on AA stock. If BA were going to get fixed amounts regardless, then I don't think they would have canceled the AA issued tickets.
Is it the issuing carrier that is liable or the carrier that publishes the fare? I would think the latter, but I'm not sure. If this were a QF fare, then I think they would still try to get out of the AA issued tickets.
This was an AA fare on AA stock, so it makes sense they are liable. However, with the BA tickets, it was a BA fare, but many were issued on AA stock. If BA were going to get fixed amounts regardless, then I don't think they would have canceled the AA issued tickets.
Is it the issuing carrier that is liable or the carrier that publishes the fare? I would think the latter, but I'm not sure. If this were a QF fare, then I think they would still try to get out of the AA issued tickets.
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Well, if you do decide to get the tickets in paper, your segments will still have 'A' code, although the fare construction (the mumbo jumbo of fare + taxes in tiny print) will have your Q fare basis.
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ehh it's almost 3 AM... ZzzZzz gonna let this one rest till morning...
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I'm not 100% sure but I would think there are things like collateral agreements, maybe even a liability insurance for cases like this. AA will not be out of 20K per ticket, in case the fare gets honored they will somehow talk with QF and agree to a certain amount of compensation, maybe on the basis of an award ticket.