You caught me too quickly (before I finished reading all the posts)

Good idea Socrates, I could not agree more.

But!!! But!!! Does this mean that we won't get our own moderator???

Checking back in a month or so when thing "COOL OFF"!!! ^

As the OP, I also agree Socrates. Sigh.

That's up to Randy....we have done extremely well in the past without one....personally I hate the thought that we would need one however there are advantages to having one

Hmmm....maybe it's just my mood today but I think it's only been a month since I asked the same question (maybe it's been 6 weeks now)

Thanks, Soc!!!
You've got my vote, if you want it???
However, this forum is not too informative re Marriott "hot tips" anymore!

Upgrade, upgrade, upgrade!!!

I'm checking back in a few weeks or months!!!

This continual beating up on MR's, and the inability to obtain a suite everytime, is just too much to stomach!!!

As always, your "BUD" Tufbear!!!

I would consider it but I'm not sure Randy would given who my employer is

Thanks Socrates. It's ironic that a perusal of some of the posts above, demonstrates the need.

You should have been referring to the posts that you and your disaffected Marriott malcontents have graced in the 14 separate links that I have provided above, which concerns the very same issue that has constantly bedeviled this board for some time now -- suite upgrades, or the lack thereof, at Marriott properties. Unfortunately, I doubt that you have the capacity to notice the irony in that.

In addition, I doubt that you have the capacity to notice that thequote that you attribute to Socrates no longer exists, as he has edited that quote out and replaced it with the following:


Be my guest and check it out for yourself, if you don't believe me. It is there in black and white.

Therefore, we now have a situation wherein the individual upon whom you had hoped and believed was initially supporting your call for more civility, apparently may have not meant to have done anything like that, as his editing of his statement should make clear even to you.

Moreover, the edited quote, as it now stands, makes amply clear that far from fixing any blame for the tone of this thread and others like it, either explicitly or implicitly, Socrates' now only states that the question of suite upgrades has all been discussed before.

Furthermore, this comment neatly dovetails with my post that contains 14 links to threads discussing this very same issue of suite upgrades that has been discussed ad nauseum, and as such, it lends clear cut support for my position in this disagreement with you Ohmark.

After all, Ohmark, RTHIB, CPRich and any others who wish to constantly remind us of the "unfairness of not getting a suite U/G at Marriott as a Platinum with 100 Plus nights under your belt whereas your contemporaries at Hilton and SPG are able to get a suite U/G," one would have no heated discussions on this issue if this issue were not constantly brought up in a myriad of disguises, all to remind us of your disaffection with Marriott.

Indeed, this should serve as a lesson for you Ohmark, and the rest of you who incessantly innundate us with your constant whining about the lack of suite upgrades at Marriott properties.

In addition, it should also be clear, that what one might state in public because one may wish to be diplomatic or remain neutral in some conflict, does not always comport with what one indicates in private correspondence.

I think I will just leave it at that.

Let me just clear a few things up on my edited post/position

I am neutral in this discussion, I am not in a position to change MR nor am I able to provide anyone with any different information than has already been provided by Chris so as I see it I'm in a loose/loose situation if I fail to remain neurtal......but my only reason for asking this thread to be closed is because we have gone way off topic here, period end of my reason.

I do fully appreciate NJ's reasoning (that this horse is dead several times over) and Ohmark's position that MR isn't the best program for his needs however if I said more I wouldn't remain neutral

NJUPINTHEAIR & ohmark, enough already. Take it to PM. A lot of us on this forum are tired of you two attacking each other. If you want to continue doing so, then do it privately rather than publicly so that we don't have to wade through all the personal attacks and can focus on issues, regardless of the thread.

I don't think a moderator is needed if we all agree that posters should not make personal attacks & should instead just respond to whatever topic is being discussed.

Doesn't mean that everyone will necessarily agree with each other, but the disagreements should be about the issue & not go into the personal attacks. Those are NEVER acceptable. If you have a major problem with someone, turn on the Ignore User feature.

And Randy's made it pretty clear in the last 48 hours in other threads & forums that he's not going to tolerate that type of thing & will hand out timeouts if necessary.

Hmmm...ok now I have 3 suggestions for Moderator...Cholula, L4P and now Sharon wow...maybe we can be self moderating afterall

Well, I for one do have a problem with Sharon being the moderator, and I depart with her on the need for a moderator for this forum.

No, it is not anything that she said above, I have no problem with that, what I do have an issue with is her focus on what she feels are personal attacks without getting to the root cause of these threads -- the incessant posting by a small number of individuals who think it is their right to hold Marriott's feet to the fire over the lack of comparable suite upgrades for top tier members.

I am quite confident, that as it stands now, Marriott Rewards members who hold no status, or Silver status, or even Gold status could generally care less about this debate. Moreover there are certain high tier members who just don't care about this issue all that much, and have seen that raising it in the way it has been on this board has actually been counterproductive, as now suite upgrades are specifically excluded from these perks!

This board needs some moderation, if for no other reason than that I will no longer feel the need to stand up for those who are too hesitant to do so, for fear of earning a tongue lashing from others whose sacred cow they may have gored.

As I noted in an earlier e-mail to Socrates, he knows my preference and I hope he conveys it to Randy. ^

I am quite confident, that as it stands now, Marriott Rewards members who hold no status, or Silver status, or even Gold status could generally care less about this debate.

I would generally agree and, as minor (silver) elites, none of this directly affects us. But, as a Marriott owner (thru MVCI) and shareholder, I am always interested in how they respond to the questions and concerns of their customers. IME, and has been evidenced here, the message, whether positive or negative, is promulgated in a professional and courteous fashion. This civility and courtesy is part of why we choose Marriott.

I may never see the inside of one of the much-heralded suites, but when Marriott employees make my stay a memorable one, it suffices for me.

All that said, I do empathize with those most loyal Marriott customers, who spend much of their valuable time at Marriott properties. If loyalty is to be rewarded, they are the most deserving. To them, Marriott is like a second home. We like to go the extra mile for guests in our home; it is our gift to them. Marriott could certainly not hurt themselves to do likewise.

Oh, and I still feel Marriott customers don't need a room monitor to talk amongst themselves

Pat