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Time for a Moderator?
I never thought I'd say this, but the recent outrageous posts and ad hominem attacks by certain posters here have seriously and adversely impacted the Marriott board. Forget the issue, I mean posts the essence of which is: "Look how smart (or clever) I am, and how stupid you are." I have seen this on other boards but almost never here. The posters who persist in this behavior are depriving the rest of us of a forum which has almost always been characterized by civil discourse and exchange of questions, concerns, and ideas. It is embarassing and depressing. It is particularly embarassing now that Chris has joined us.
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Originally Posted by ohmark
I never thought I'd say this, but the recent outrageous posts and ad hominem attacks by certain posters here have seriously and adversely impacted the Marriott board.
Am I wrong about the above statement, OHMARK? So, then, you are not exactly a neutral observer in this dispute, are you?? :rolleyes: Forget the issue, I mean posts the essence of which is: "Look how smart (or clever) I am, and how stupid you are." I have seen this on other boards but almost never here. The posters who persist in this behavior are depriving the rest of us of a forum which has almost always been characterized by civil discourse and exchange of questions, concerns, and ideas. It is embarassing and depressing. It is particularly embarassing now that Chris has joined us. I thought you might be interested in reading this web page: ohmark Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Detroit, Michigan USA Posts: 361 Had 15 stay, 25,000 point offer. At NJUITA's suggestion called MR this morning. Was increased to 35,000 points w/o additional requirement. Was told they are doing this for plats, upon request. Thanks NJ. Now about those breakfasts...... http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 From, NJUPINTHEAIR ------------------------------------------------- I think I have made my point, do I need more evidence? By the way, I am in agreement that we need a Moderator, if for no other reason than for he/she to shut down petty threads that seek to rephrase a question or variant thereof concerning suite upgrades, of which the originator and his crew already know the answer. By the way, without drawing another person into this dispute, I think it instructive that everyone view the response that MIKEM gave to RTHIB in the SPG forum concerning the very same suite upgrade thread that he considerately posted in this forum. MIKEM Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: LA CA Programs: UA1K, HHD, SPG PLT, WN Nobody Posts: 583 Kind of a poorly formatted thread. Upgrades depend on elite status, frequency to the property, effort put into getting an upgrade, number of suites at the given hotel, definition of an upgrade, etc. Stats here will have no meaning unless qualified. If you want to compare *Wood vs. MR, just ask the Plats on both sides, (which has been done a million times here). MR took the upgrade perk out of the wording in their MR literature because they do not give them often. Being fare to MR though, many of their properties do not have suites. Most of us Plats on the *wood side get upgrades very often. I have been on both sides and never got upgraded at MR. There's you answer. *Wood wins!!! This comparison is like asking, "which country has a stronger military, Russia or Bolivia?" http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 NJUPINTHEAIR No great revelation to that FTer. Food for thought. |
I'm not interested in your issues; just in keeping the Marriott forum the civil place it's been until recently.
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I'll not offer any remark about the above comments other than to say that I'm perfectly happy with the Marriott board as it is sans moderator. I think that most folks here know how to behave without turning to a moderator.
On second thought, make that an emphatic NO for a moderator! respectfully, Barry |
Originally Posted by ohmark
I'm not interested in your issues.... Ain't that the truth. Just the issues that are near and dear to your heart, no doubt. Like Upgrades to suites. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: The problem with you and your friends is that issues that are important to people like myself, and others who have expressed concern that Chris' tenure on this board could be short lived with these types of antics is of no concern to you. You previously have pooh poohed Flyerwife's concern about this very issue in the earlier thread that RTHIB had started about suite upgrades. But, because it is not an issue near and dear to you or one that you believe is meritorious, you have demonstrated by your actions that it neither merits your interest nor concern. I find it quite sad, and obviously hypocritical, when one attempts to, and, indeed does, wrap themselves in a self-asserted aura of "civility," while at the very same time, running roughshod over the interests and concerns of others. Although I may be somewhat blunt in my assessment and treatment of RTHIB's latest failed attempt to keep the flame alive concerning his disenchantment and vendetta against Marriott because of its lack of suite upgrades, make no mistake about it, his was a provocative action and an insult to all those who feel differently than the way he and CPRich and you obviously do about this matter, especially so soon after his initiating his earlier complaint thread. His self-serving "competition" between SPG and Marriott, so soon after his earlier thread which had generated such heat was nothing more than a juvenile attempt to again stir the pot for his own ends; it was nothing more than another attempt to stick it in the eye of both Marriott and the individuals who hold a contrary view on this issue, and it was little more than a second attempt to air his pet peeve in a somewhat different way. If you contend that by my calling his latest attempt at self-gratification "juvenile" makes this a less civil forum, then I think that you should reexamine the motivations of one who again wishes to disturb the peace and quiet of this forum concerning that matter, especially so soon after Chris provided his pronouncement on that issue. Indeed, let us revisit a portion of that thread in question as it is quite illuminating on this issue and the not so secret agenda of some of those on this board. After Chris made his pronouncement that suite upgrades are not to be considered as a part of the benefits to be provided to Platinums, the following exchanges occurred: ----------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by glg Have you paid any attention? Suites aren't included in the policy. Period. End of story. ------------------------------- When did they stop upgrading to Suites? Last December I was upgraded in Kauai to a 2 Room Corner Suite, with living room and dining room and sepderate bedroom? (on MR also). __________________ AA PLT, MR PLT jk5598224 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- May 20, 04, 10:28 pm #41 TUFBEAR Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: $$$LAS VEGAS$$$--- 2- 1k MM flyers / Marriott Platinum Posts: 515 ----------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by glg End of story. ------------------------------------------------------ WANNA BET??? TUFBEAR ---------------------------------------------------------------- TufBear is not only quite humorous with his postings, he is spot on to the point of being clairvoyant, for not only did he anticipate RTHIB's next attempt to again raise this issue, but as you will see, immediately following his statement, RTHIB, responded with the following: May 20, 04, 11:17 pm #42 rthib Original Member Join Date: May 1998 Location: Savage, MN USA Posts: 357 Quote: ------------------------------------------------- Originally Posted by jk5598224 When did they stop upgrading to Suites? --------------------------------------------------- It is part of 2004 Elite Guide. Some Hotels still Upgrade to Suite, it is just not Policy. So Policy is: Platinum Gets you 5% Bonus and carton of Ice Cream. ---------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 But I forget, for you choose not to see that RTHIB's unhappiness with Chris' answer had no bearing whatsoever and is not in the slightest way connected to his starting this little competition of his between SPG and Marriott. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 Certainly, his starting the above noted thread whose link immediately precedes this sentence, less than 24 hours after he expressed his pleasure with Marriott's decision as communicated by Chris is but a mere coincidence, as well, I suppose? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Of course, his provacative actions are of "no interest to you," as your stance amply demonstrates the obvious bias that you hold on this and many other issues, among them appropriate respect for your other colleagues who inhabit this board. You may choose to take RTHIB at his word when he states that all he meant in starting that thread was nothing more than a "scientific" poll in order to merely shed some light on the issue of suite upgrades as between SPG and Marriott, but I do not believe that others are so naive or blinded by their own petty concerns to not see what the true motivation behind such a post was. If you still have any doubts about the novelty of such a poll or its overall usefulness, why don't you simply re-read MIKEM's post on this question -- and who has no dog in this fight -- that I have reproduced above. However, I doubt that you ever will, as your choice pronouncement that I have referenced above, is all too emblematic of your views and actions, and it is obvious to all but the most craven that all those who hold a contrary view from yours should have no say, or even have a right to express such a say, as you and your cohorts hold all truth on this and any other matter that may possibly affect this forum. Right. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: |
njupintheair---Ya gotta get ahold of yourself!!! :(
The main reason many of these guys start these threads and won't give up, is because they want something for nothing, even after the rules have been shown to them "In Black and White"!!! Attempting to get others to jump on the "Band Wagon" with them, and *****ing about Marriott will never end. I'm sure Chris' mail box is filled with "important people" contacting him for "special favors". Again, would anyone be reckless enough to actually post hotels that are regularily frequented by appreciative Platinum's, THAT ARE REWARDED FOR THEIR LOYALITY, so these guys can SHOW UP, and screw-it-up for everyone??? If they ain't happy with the "Black & White rules", "Adios"!!! It's pretty obvious why there are numerous "hits" on these threads, but so few posts. Most people can see thru this "sniveling", and want no part of it. njupintheair---"I'm ascared to think it", but we ain't gonna win this ONE!!! :( "FOOD FOR THOUGHT"---"C-A-P-I-T-U-L-A-T-I-O-N!!! |
My only comment is I note that people have been Marriott Platinums for years, in some cases over ten, yet the biggest issue to them every one of those years is the lack of suite upgrades.
Now I know Starwood properties are no-where near as prevalent as Marriott properties are, but if it really chafes your chaps so much, why do you do 100 nights a year with Marriott? Is it corporate requirement? I'm lucky to make 25 nights a year, so before Marriott dropped the rate to 10, I never saw Silver, much less Gold or Platinum, so the only time I see a suite is when I take advantage of the $400/night Executive Suite convention rate at the San Diego Marriott and Marina during Comic Con weekend. But I still give Marriott properties the majority of my nights because I find their full-service properties to be consistently great. I've had great Hilton stays and fair ones. I've had good Hyatt stays and fair ones. But I've always had great Marriott stays and find Courtyards as good as HGIs (I wish the Courtyards had the refrigerator that HGI's do, but Courtyards have free internet - usually wireless). |
I am really not involved with Marriott that much anymore, but why don't you guys post this suggestion in the ORP forum.
And no, I am not volunteering ;) |
Originally Posted by TUFBEAR
@:-) "FOOD FOR THOUGHT"!!! @:-)
The main reason many of these guys start these threads and won't give up, is because they want something for nothing, even after the rules have been shown to them "In Black and White"!!! Attempting to get others to jump on the "Band Wagon" with them, and *****ing about Marriott will never end. I'm sure Chris' mail box is filled with "important people" contacting him for "special favors". Again, would anyone be reckless enough to actually post hotels that are regularily frequented by appreciative Platinum's, THAT ARE REWARDED FOR THEIR LOYALITY, so these guys can SHOW UP, and screw-it-up for everyone??? If they ain't happy with the "Black & White rules", "Adios"!!! It's pretty obvious why there are numerous "hits" on these threads, but so few posts. Most people can see thru this "sniveling", and want no part of it. YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^ ^ What gets me is their wrapping themselves in the flag of "civility" but only on their terms, and only when it comes to their special causes. :td: Among other things you have identified, they are HYPOCRITES, pure and simple. |
Originally Posted by SEA_Tigger
yet the "BIGGEST ISSUE" to them every one of those years is the lack of suite upgrades.
Believe me, unfortunately, some day a "BIGGER ISSUE" than a "stupid upgrade" will occur, and those miserable, sniveling, and whinning 10 years won't be able to be recaptured..... :( I'm grateful for every day that my wife can still accompany me on our soujourns!!! Going into a "state of depression" over which room we're assigned, "ain't in the cards"!!! We're taking it one day @ a time, and no matter "where we hang our hat's" we're happy!!! Don't know how many days of "Hat Trick's" my wife's got left, but I ain't gonna waste them *****ing about Marriott. Some of ya-all need to get a life!!! ^ ^ ^ |
Originally Posted by SEA_Tigger
Now I know Starwood properties are no-where near as prevalent as Marriott properties are, but if it really chafes your chaps so much, why do you do 100 nights a year with Marriott? Is it corporate requirement? As always, you have nailed it on the head, Sea Tigger! As I have noted in my other posts on this issue, I actually empathize with these folks to some extent in that I believe that Marriott ought to be offering them something more than the competition by virtue of Marriott's more stringent requirements for making its highest tier as compared to the other chains. That said -- and of course those who now call for civility, etc., wish to ignore that part of my posts -- Marriott has thus far failed to to do so. Therefore, your identifying their simple option to move to another chain rather than constantly bellyaching about this in this forum, demonstrates that something else is at work here. Perhaps, these individuals just enjoy whining for whining's sake, as it is perfectly clear that their claim that their posts could change Marriott policy, is but smoke and mirrors, for as MIKEM pointed out above, and many of us know all too well, there just are not that many suites to go around at many Marriott properties, and as others have noted, Marriott has removed the ambiguity about suite upgrades from its most recent rules governing the program. Therefore, far from changing Marriott's views on this issue, what they really have only accomplished is to now permit every unsympathetic desk clerk and manager of a property the leeway to deny a Marriott Platinum a suite upgrade, as their actions have caused Marriott corporate to enshrine in the current rules that this potential perk is no longer available. Do you want to bet that those hotel employees who wish to deny a suite upgrade will now be able to recite chapter and verse the language governing room upgrades to every Marriott Platinum who might venture to request a suite upgrade for themselves? Nice going, guys! |
I think it instructive for all of you to view just how many threads in the Marriott forum have dealt with this issue since January 1, 2004.
The following threads are not tangential to the issue of suite upgrades, as might be a report of a particular hotel -- I have excluded those -- but generally center on this issue. In addition, it will become clear -- as many have noted on these preceding threads -- that this issue, as one poster has noted -- "has been beaten to death" -- and yet, it always seems to resurface in one guise or another. If you do read through these threads, you will see two things: 1). That is was quite well known that Marriott changed the Terms and Conditions in its 2004 rules booklet to specifically exclude suite upgrades; and 2). That it was quite well known that Marriott often came up short with respect to comparisons to at least SPG when it came to suite U/Gs for its highest tier members. What I have noted above, and I encourage you to check below, makes very clear that contrary to some of the claims made by some herein, it was quite clear where Marriott stood on this issue and that this issue had been "beaten to death" ad nauseum and ad infinitum. It therefore, shows to be a falsehood, when one suggests that all they were trying to do in this thread was to conduct a "scientific poll" as to the relative frequency of U/Gs between SPG and Marriott, as there was more than enough evidence, if one only cared to look or search for it. Moreover, if you were to read through the following threads, you will quite often see the names -- RTHIB, CPRich and Ohmark -- among the many posters offering their comments on the issue. That, too, provides clear and convincing evidence that not only was this issue constantly on the mind of these individuals, but also, had they cared at all, they could not have failed to notice that many of their colleagues on the Marriott board were growing exceedingly weary of this issue constantly being brought up again and again, and pushed in their faces. So much for respecting others wishes and for a general call of a renewed sense of civility on this board. It is quite evident, that those demands are addressed only to those who do not share a passion for constantly lamenting and whining about their belief that SPG has a better record of upgrading its top tier members to suites as opposed to Marriott. Well, I have a surprise for them. Not every Platinum thinks this is issue number 1, and not every poster on this board is a Marriott Platinum. I am very sorry to inform you that neither the world, nor this forum, revolves around you and your petty concerns and pet peeves. You do not like the suite upgrade policy at Marriott? Well, you are free to move to SPG -- and the SPG forum, as I certainly will not stop you -- as well as contacting Marriott privately, but I, for one, am quite sick and tired of having this issue come up in one guise or another, when the answer has been clear for all to see for quite some time now. I will request it again, kindly cease and desist from these sophomoric postings and give the rest of us here in this forum just a bit of a break from your constant rantings on this issue. ------------------------------------------- Plt Room Upgrade http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 SPG Plat vs Marriott Plat http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 243 Posts (and Counting) on Non-Upgrades for Starwood Platinums http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 Platinum Room Upgrades http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 Latest On The Official Marriott Official Upgrade Policy http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 Hotel to Avoid (RE:Ignore Platinum Policy) http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 Hotels that upgrade Gold and Platinum http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 Room upgrade policy http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 Upgrade at a Suite Hotel http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 Room upgrade comment http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 Marriott Platinum- Expectations? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 What MR enhancements would you like to see? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 Question for Official Marriott Rewards Lurker - Upgrades http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 The First Annual Starwood / Marriott Upgrade Challenge http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showt...ferrerid=17411 |
Originally Posted by NJUPINTHEAIR
Therefore, far from changing Marriott's views on this issue, what they really have only accomplished is to now permit every unsympathetic desk clerk and manager of a property the leeway to deny a Marriott Platinum a suite upgrade, as their actions have caused Marriott corporate to enshrine in the current rules that this potential perk is no longer available. Nice going, guys!
Nice going, guys!!! ;) |
I'm sorry guys but I see no reason to continue with this thread....we've discussed this all before
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Originally Posted by socrates
I agree!
"Proudly REPLACING only myself"!!! |
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