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Old Sep 17, 10, 12:04 pm
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Originally Posted by Starwood Lurker View Post
most people are usually satisfied with an initial generic answer, so most of the time the gritty details are not explained.
So, it's okay to (basically) lie to a guest if the hotel doesn't think they will get pushback?

Once there was pushback, the hotel backtracked/changed their story. But, if the hotel assumed there wouldn't be pushback, it's okay to just make up a reason/provide a generic reason that may/may not be true?
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Old Sep 17, 10, 12:37 pm
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So, it's okay to (basically) lie to a guest if the hotel doesn't think they will get pushback?

Once there was pushback, the hotel backtracked/changed their story. But, if the hotel assumed there wouldn't be pushback, it's okay to just make up a reason/provide a generic reason that may/may not be true?
I would not call it a lie as much as not telling the whole truth. As always, YOMV.

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Old Sep 17, 10, 2:23 pm
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Not so much a lie as not telling the whole truth? That is a lie. Try that one in court.
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Old Sep 17, 10, 2:29 pm
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I would not call it a lie as much as not telling the whole truth.
Wow. Is someone looking for a career in politics? Do you know what the definition of is is?

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Old Sep 17, 10, 3:06 pm
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FWIW, the OP did send me the email identifying the person who wrote it. Management of the St. Regis San Francisco says they will use this guest's experience to redouble their efforts to ensure that everyone working at the front desk knows exactly what is expected as far as SPG elite member benefits are concerned.

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Old Sep 17, 10, 3:46 pm
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FWIW, the OP did send me the email identifying the person who wrote it. Management of the St. Regis San Francisco says they will use this guest's experience to redouble their efforts to ensure that everyone working at the front desk knows exactly what is expected as far as SPG elite member benefits are concerned.
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Old Sep 17, 10, 4:22 pm
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Reasons properties give to deny an upgrade to the "best available room at check-in, including select suites":

1) Our external inventory channels are not up to date. You are seeing a suite that has already been committed/sold.
2) Even though spg.com shows a suite available, it has not been cleaned yet (it was not available at check-in)
3) There is a maintenance issue with the room and it has been pulled out of service (even though it still appears on spg.com)

People can feel free to add to this list.
This is the way SPG rolls

While there are some properties that are more than accommodating in following SPG guidelines and upgrade Plat members, there are also those who go out of their way to deny benefits.

What I have a huge problem is that hotels have actually been instructed/briefed/taught/lied/tricked/deceived/whatever-spg-wants-to-call-it by SPG corporate in exactly HOW to respond to customer complaints in order to cover their behind. According to one of my good SPG-hotel-contact-then-turned-good-friends (whose identity shall not be reveald for obvious reasons) These mentioned excuses:
1) Our external inventory channels are not up to date. You are seeing a suite that has already been committed/sold.
2) Even though spg.com shows a suite available, it has not been cleaned yet (it was not available at check-in)
3) There is a maintenance issue with the room and it has been pulled out of service (even though it still appears on spg.com)

have actually been memo'd into the hands of the hotel as an instruction manual on how to respond to customer complaints.

SPG used to handle these kind of situations with class and always put customers first. Now, stingier by the second, they have changed their position. SPG is and will do anything to try to keep individually owned properties from changing flags. At a high yield city like San Francisco, you'd be surprised what they would let properties get away with.

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Old Sep 17, 10, 5:27 pm
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have actually been memo'd into the hands of the hotel
This is one heck of an accusation. If true, it would cut to the core of the SPG program. Any way your friend (or anyone else) might give you a copy of the memo for posting on Flyertalk?

I can't imagine anything more inflamatory being posted on Flyertalk...
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This is one heck of an accusation. If true, it would cut to the core of the SPG program. Any way your friend (or anyone else) might give you a copy of the memo for posting on Flyertalk?

I can't imagine anything more inflamatory being posted on Flyertalk...
I agree - that's quite the accusation. I'd love to see some proof.
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This is one heck of an accusation. If true, it would cut to the core of the SPG program. Any way your friend (or anyone else) might give you a copy of the memo for posting on Flyertalk?

I can't imagine anything more inflamatory being posted on Flyertalk...
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I agree - that's quite the accusation. I'd love to see some proof.
Haven't you seen the trend what excuses the hotels are using? Wouldn't surprise me a bit if something would have been communicated "unofficially" from SPG.
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Old Sep 17, 10, 9:31 pm
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I made a comment on here that I didn't think the St. Regis San Francisco was anything special. Lucky for you guys, I happened to take photos of our room. (I do this all over the world; I am a dork.) I said something like I thought the rooms were comparable to an average Westin. I stand by that remark. Here are the photos of the room I stayed in at the St. Regis San Fran. To me it doesn't look like anything special. Basic comfortable bed (if not too warm), flat screen TV, bathtub that opens to room if desired, standard marble shower, and that's that. People have asked me which Westin's I have stayed in with better rooms (or comparable). In the past year I would say: Vancouver, British Columbia; Westin Times Square, Westin Michigan Avenue Chicago, The Westin Book Cadillac Detroit, the Four Points Sheraton Dubai, Westin Athens, Greece; and pretty much every W all over the world except Mexico City and Chicago Lakeshore (again, not Westins but St. Regis is supposed to be a vastly superior experience) Sure these locations are all over the world (thus varying degrees of service) but a St. Regis is supposed to be like staying at the Peninsula hotel: blown away at every turn. After waiting 10 mins to check in, 15 to check out, not having my amenity points on my statement, not getting points for food service, being charged for internet, and being "upgraded" I was hardly impressed to say the least. As I stated, the room was nothing to write home about:
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Sigh.. Let me try to explain what the difference between a St. Regis and other Starwood brands. Your pictures tell it all: You are looking at a small room, but with very expensive interior and great amenities. All rooms give you Evian when they are being cleaned and at turn down service. You are looking at an awesome bed with very expensive linens and goose down pillows and duvet. You are looking at a luxury bathroom with great toiletries. Luxury hotels are about details like luxury robes and slippers. About a complimentary shoe shine bag for having your shoes shined over night. It's about getting a real newspaper of your own choice on your door, not the Newspaper for dummies (USA Today). I could go on.

So even if your room is smaller, it's filled with luxurious features. Don't get me started on your list of properties you claim are on par with the St. Regis San Francisco. There are hotels on your list that are well known dumps here on FT.

Sure, the check in issue would have p**** me off as well, and I do agree that this is not the best St. Regis, not even close, but I think your real beef with this place (as most others who complain about this property in this thread) is that you didn't get an upgrade.

Let's see if I get mine in two weeks and how I feel after my next stay

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Old Sep 18, 10, 7:14 am
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frankly, i am getting so sick and tired of all the excuses being used to deny room upgrades. next time i get one of those sorry-... excuses, i am going to go back to my room, and continue to book all of the remaining upgradeable suites for the night in question until it says i cannot book any more. i will then go back downstairs and let them know that i was able to "help their system catch up. after all, i would hate to see another customer book a suite only to arrive at the hotel and be told there are none left." and they can't try and charge me for the booked suites, because how can you charge me for something you dont have? in fact, they should be thankful that they dont have to deal with angry guests who are thinking they are booking suites when in fact none exist. enough is enough with spg.
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Old Sep 18, 10, 10:37 am
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We had a two night stay here last week and althought they advised at check-in 'As a Starwood Platinum Guest you have been upgraded...' we got no suite and what seemed to be a pretty standard middle of the corridor room. We were on a paid stay FWIW.

To be honest as I had a lot of emails and stuff to catch up on we just went to the room and I got stuck into that. After sorting that I checked on line and all types of rooms were available, suites included. As I had the better half with me I informed her of this and told her I would call down, 'discuss' this with them and get us moved to a Suite, to which she advised she was on holiday, had unpacked and couldn't be bothered moving again. So I just left it.

I met up with a friend who knows a few of the staff there and he was advised they were quiet, running <60%, so there was no excuse not to get a Suite. As I didn't take this up with them - under strict instruction not to bother - I can't add anything about what excuses would have been handed out, although I am sure they would have tried. Like others have said, this attempt to deny benefits is becoming an increasingly frustrating and annoying trend.

I am fortunate (I suppose...) in that most of my stays throughout the year are at many of the same properties, so as expected you get well looked after and don't have to argue with them for benefits. However, I find if I go to a new property I seem to have to argue with them for benefits. And to be prefectly honest I am getting sick and tired of having to do so, and of the bullsh*t excuses. This is a problem at Hiltons as well as Starwoods.

Going back to the property itself, we had stayed at the W before the StR and would also say that we preferred the W. We also liked the Grove around the corner as well.

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Old Sep 18, 10, 10:50 am
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I met up with a friend who knows a few of the staff there and he was advised they were quiet, running <60%, so there was no excuse not to get a Suite.
PLEASE file a Customer Service complaint against the hotel. Give the dates you stayed there (and confirmation number if you have it handy) and indicated that spg.com showed many better room types. At a minimum, they will know that Platinum SPG members ARE checking spg.com. Even if you get nothing out of it, the file does go to the GM and they will have to research it. It will let them know that we are paying attention.

It will take two seconds. Either call or simply send an email to customer care. Just give the facts and say that you would like to open a "Customer Care File." Thank you.

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Old Sep 18, 10, 2:57 pm
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I like the property itself - probably would prefer it to any SPG or Hyatt property in SF. But the continued shenanigans on the upgrade issue including myself last Sept will assure the property that it will never see a revenue stay from me. Particularly disappointing is that the property's GM used to be at the PH SF which was the pinnacle of service at domestic US Hyatts (and SPGs) - as a Diamond, I almost always received a suite for every stay even though suite upgrades are not part of Hyatt's T&Cs. Since the changeover to LM from PH, I haven't received such upgrades regularly but at rates of 1/3 of the typical St R rate, I can live with it. If the St R can demonstrate a record of honoring the Suite upgrades per SPG's T&Cs, I may reconsider.
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