pretentious Courtyards
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ive stayed in hyatt place that was sold out due to competition etc for kids
as noted many booked rooms did not pay what is 'currently' being charged
basically all chains can be IMHO very overpriced, because of name recognition
revenue is not just from room rate at one hotel
as noted many booked rooms did not pay what is 'currently' being charged
basically all chains can be IMHO very overpriced, because of name recognition
St. Regis in Osaka was priced less than some lower category MPG hotels. Things like proximity to an event will obviously influence prices. When one of my children was competing at a national championship, the hotels closest to the venue were understandably more expensive than those that were farther away. The group rate for the Sheraton, which wasn't even that close to the venue, was about $50 more per night than the group rate for the Four Seasons. We stayed at the Four Seasons, which was about a mile away farther away, and used the free (except for tips) car service for the entire competition.
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There are a lot of factors here, if the Courtyard is more expensive than a full service then there must be demand to stay there. Most likely due to an event or conference that's using that hotel. Even if the 'nicer' hotel is cheaper many people prefer the convenience of staying in the same location as their group, or where the meeting rooms are, etc. Much easier to socialize that way.
Then there are cases where the Courtyard is better. I think Philadelphia is a good example of this, the Marriott there is fine but the rooms are nothing special. The Courtyard has some very interesting design in their rooms, overall I prefer it even without a lounge or some other full service amenities.
Then there are cases where the Courtyard is better. I think Philadelphia is a good example of this, the Marriott there is fine but the rooms are nothing special. The Courtyard has some very interesting design in their rooms, overall I prefer it even without a lounge or some other full service amenities.
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For larger city-wide conventions, some groups will have the hotel pay out a certain amount for each group room to the convention center or visitor's bureau to subsidize the event. In that scenario, the attendees might not have to pay registration fee (or pay a higher one) to attend the event.
Also, as Duke787 writes, the cancelation terms and perks associated with a group rate might be different.
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I find that the rate charged is far more indicative of the quality than the brand. Repeat business is crucial in the hospitality industry. Overcharging is a good way to accumulate disgruntled guests who will never return...
But if brand matters (elite recognition), then it's not difficult to choose the Marriott or Sheraton instead of the Courtyard when rates are similar...
But if brand matters (elite recognition), then it's not difficult to choose the Marriott or Sheraton instead of the Courtyard when rates are similar...
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Long term, the market sets the rates, not the property. If the OP wants full service he should stay in full-service hotels. It's seems like the OP is really missing some fundamentals here.
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In many US downtown areas, the newer hotels are brands like Courtyard or Hilton Garden Inn. These hotels may actually be nicer than the local Marriott, Hilton, Sheraton simply because they are newer, and therefore may rightly deserve a price premium.
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I don't mind the full-service ones in Asia where they have everything, including real suites and lounges. I mean the ones located in city centers in the US that charge basically the same rate as the full-service Marriott, but somehow have the customer service level of a generic Courtyard (or Fairfield Inn/Springhill Suites).
Why don't they train their staff to be more professional/better? Or is it still worse to work at a Courtyard in a city center than a full-service?
Why don't they train their staff to be more professional/better? Or is it still worse to work at a Courtyard in a city center than a full-service?
In Asia and much of Europe, working in a hotel is a career. You see front desk clerks who studied hotel management and they're working their way up the ladder toward eventually becoming a hotel manager or general manager.
Over here, working in a hotel -- particularly behind the front desk -- is more of a "job." The front desk clerks here are, by and large, much older and with that bring bad habits.
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The staff at many of the full-service properties in North America aren't much better. It really comes down to who works at U.S. hotels.
In Asia and much of Europe, working in a hotel is a career. You see front desk clerks who studied hotel management and they're working their way up the ladder toward eventually becoming a hotel manager or general manager.
Over here, working in a hotel -- particularly behind the front desk -- is more of a "job." The front desk clerks here are, by and large, much older and with that bring bad habits.
In Asia and much of Europe, working in a hotel is a career. You see front desk clerks who studied hotel management and they're working their way up the ladder toward eventually becoming a hotel manager or general manager.
Over here, working in a hotel -- particularly behind the front desk -- is more of a "job." The front desk clerks here are, by and large, much older and with that bring bad habits.
The staff at the Marriott is better than the Courtyard, rates are usually similar.
And I do wonder how many front desk clerks in hotels in the US actually studied hotel management. I didn't even know there was such a thing until I met people studying in Asia/Europe for that degree.
The real issue I need to get over this "loyalty" business and just stay at other properties which are better, but cannot bring myself to give up the points and perks (which may be little, like $10 breakfast credit at Courtyards).
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That is exactly what chain hotels want. You are their ideal customer.
Particularly for people who travel a great deal, it strikes me as odd that on a one-night stay, they will twist themselves into a pretzel for what the chains call a suite and give up the comforts of a nice hotel where they might have a pleasurable experience.
Particularly for people who travel a great deal, it strikes me as odd that on a one-night stay, they will twist themselves into a pretzel for what the chains call a suite and give up the comforts of a nice hotel where they might have a pleasurable experience.
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Many US colleges offer this program/degree. Cornell, an Ivy League university, has its School of Hotel Administration (SHA), a unique school within its business college, which many believe is the world's best program/school. A close friend is a 1986 graduate of the Hotel School who used to run a small family owned hotel outside of DC and is now the manager of a hotel/resort in the Middle East.
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Many US colleges offer this program/degree. Cornell, an Ivy League university, has its School of Hotel Administration (SHA), a unique school within its business college, which many believe is the world's best program/school. A close friend is a 1986 graduate of the Hotel School who used to run a small family owned hotel outside of DC and is now the manager of a hotel/resort in the Middle East.
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Many US colleges offer this program/degree. Cornell, an Ivy League university, has its School of Hotel Administration (SHA), a unique school within its business college, which many believe is the world's best program/school. A close friend is a 1986 graduate of the Hotel School who used to run a small family owned hotel outside of DC and is now the manager of a hotel/resort in the Middle East.
It only became part of the new combined business school very recently. The former GM of Raffles in Singapore is an alum as is a guy who has been GM at a string of RCs. Others specialize in hotel investments or hotel real estate transactions (Plaza NYC).
Anorher prestigious but more recent program is NYU, One of their recent grads participates on FT,
Anorher prestigious but more recent program is NYU, One of their recent grads participates on FT,
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I believe that is correct but the hotel school at Cornell has been around for a long time. My friend graduated in 1986. According to Wikipedia the school was founded in 1922. Ironically my friend's family actually donated the money for a food service facility at one of the schools listed @dayone. The facility carries the families names.
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I would think hotel management is different than hospitality, but that's just me. A family friend's kid studied hospitality at Michigan State to become an event planner. Ignoring the fact that one shouldn't need a college degree to be an event planner, I don't think her education prepared her to be the manager of a 5-star luxury hotel. There's a reason so many of the managers and general managers at the best hotels went to hotel schools in Switzerland and France.
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