Interesting. The difference between NC6 and NC 7 is only 10,000 per night. But the 7-night NC7 and NC6 certificate has a difference of 150k, making the NC7 7-night certificate very unattractive to convert to.

That is because the cert refund values are all based on the OC certs they were derived from.

The difference between the current cat 6 and cat 7 is 10k per night and indeed if you were to purchase a new flight + hotel package from Marriott today you would pay an extra 60k to move from one with a cat 6 hotel to a cat 7 hotel when purchased new (10k/night, 5th night free). There most certainly is a different order code for the post 8/18 travel packages that reflects the different refund values of those packages versus the OC packages. Since the new travel packages are not a good deal it is unlikely anyone has purchased one to find the new order codes and it does not really matter for someone with an OC or converted cert since you will not get the refund value of someone who purchased a package today and you would not want to order a cert based on the refund values of someone who purchased a package today (because it is too expensive).

The issue some are not grasping is the mapping of OC to NC certs. In order to convert an OC cert to an NC cert there is a mapping and if your original cert was an OC then you will be charged OC mapping prices to upgrade. What some people are hoping for is akin to buying something onsale (OC cert, converted to NC cert) and treating the value of it as if they paid the full current points cost for it and expecting to exchange their converted cert for another based on the full value that they never paid. It doesn't work that way. If you go to a store and buy something on sale you cannot wait until it is not on sale and return it for the full non-sale price.

I'm also looking for a NC8 TP Cert. I don't know if there's a way to upgrade to this category, but I know they are selling the full package with 100,000 airline miles and 7 nights in Category 8 hotel for 750,000. Has anyone booked one of these yet? Do you know what the code is that's associated with the hotel portion of the travel package? Can anyone try booking one to see what the code is?

Anyone who has the points can book one but there are no refunds so no one is going to book this for educational purposes. No one has posted a Cat 8 code here yet. I would guess no one wants to book one of the new packages. They are not that great a value.

I have a question asking for advice. I have an NC5 attached to a Cat. 6 hotel (previously cat. 5) in At the Wailea RI in Maui in December. I also booked dates in January because I wasn't sure which one I'd be doing. Turns out January will work out better.

As I understand, these are the steps:

Call Marriott Rewards (does it matter if I call the UK office or the US one if I'm not upgrading? )
Ask them to detach but NOT cancel the certificate... DETACH.
After confirming, ask to apply the Certificate to the January reservation ( it currently says 300,000 points... but I booked it when it was cat. 5 )
After everything is said and done, and confirmed, feel free to cancel the reservation.

Should I spoon-feed the agent, or explain the whole thing first?
Is there any language I should use that will help ensure they DETACH the NC5 and not CANCEL.
Is there any language I should use if they say I can't apply the cert to a cat. 6 property (it was cat. 5 when booked)?

My new certificate (Cat 5) will expire this November and it sound like I cannot extend my NC5 for another year? If not, then can I book BEFORE november but fulfill my stay AFTER november expiration date?

Can I use the US number to detach an OC9 from a reservation without converting, or do I need to call the UK number to accomplish this?

Certificates are USE BY...

Have read the Wiki - am a bit confused how many point I have to pay to convert OC5 to NC5? Going to be attempting this week with a cert that expires in August.'

Also to confirm I'm asking for QP88 to go from OC5 to NC5? And pay additional 45k points?

7-night packages

• NC4 QP83 = OC5 830T/P830 (refund value: 45K)
• NC4 QP87 = OC6 870T/P870 (refund value: 75K)
• NC5 QP91 = OC7 910T/P910 (refund value: 105K)
• NC5 QP95 = OC8 950T/P950 (refund value: 135K)
• NC6 QP99 = OC9 990T/P990 (refund value: 165K)
• NC6 QP99 = OC Tier 1-3 L830 (refund value: 195K)
• NC7 QL87 = OC Tier 4-5 L870 (refund value: 315K)

Other 7-night packages

• NC5 QP88 = OC7 P880 (refund value: 135K)

If it is still possible, the cost would be the difference in the refund values. In your case, 105K - 45K = 60K

Yes, and make sure to order a QP91 not a QP88. QP88 costs 30k more points. Why pay 30k more when you can get the same thing for 30k less? Order the QP91.