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Signing up to buy $1000 visa/mc gift cards
You can buy the $1000 cards on Simon's volume site. Their regular site only sells $500 cards.
If you're new, or haven't bought anything in a year, you need to register at https://www.simon.com/volume/register-consumer
As part of the registration process, you will have to go to a brick and mortar mall and buy at least $3000 in cards in person, as well as filling out some paperwork while there. After that, you can do everything online.

As of Nov 2020, Simon Mall Gift cards will only work for $99/swipe for money services at Walmart and many grocery chains.

$1000 gift cards are available indefinitely.

2020 Promotions

Ongoing: FREEGROUND - Free Ground Shipping on any order size. Limited to 5 orders per customer. Expires December 31, 2020 (subject to change).

5/15-6/17: MDHOL20 - 20% off Visa Giftcard Purchase Fees + Free Ground Shipping on orders of 9 more cards
5/15/5/31: MAYGROUND - Free UPS Ground shipping on orders of 7 or more cards
5/15-6/31: MAY20VG10 - 10% off purchase fees on Visa Giftcards
6/29-7/20: JUL4HOL20 - 20% off Visa Giftcard Purchase Fees + Free Ground Shipping on orders of 5 or more cards. If you select a shipping other than Ground - the code will still take 20% off the purchase fees. Limited to 10 orders per customer.
8/11-8/31: AUG20PR - 15% off ALL fees (excl. shipping fees) on orders of 5 or more cards. Limited to 10 orders per customer (Originally expired on 8/23; on 8/24 promo was extended through 8/31)
10/12-10/14: FSOCT20 - 30% off all purchase fees on Visas and Mastercards.
10/26-10/31 - FS20SCARY - 35% off all purchase fees
11/1-11/30 - HOL20MC25 - 25% off all purchase fees on MasterCard / HOL20VG25 - 25% off all purchase fees on Visa / HOL20AG50 50% off all purchase fees on American Express
11/6-11/8 - FS20THANKS - 35% off all purchase fees

11/16-11/18 - FS20SAVINGS - 35% off all purchase fees












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Old Nov 17, 2020, 2:08 pm
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Originally Posted by CerealCardSpender
They probably have a contract with Metabank so not easy to jump ship. And even if they did at the end of the Meta contract, and signed a long term with US Bank. If USB gets nerfed due to the increased volume, then we are back where we started.

Selling MO's won't help them either, because its the card issuer blocking the MO/cash like transaction.
I have to think that even IF Simon started selling M.O.'s it would be the end of any gift card contract in a New York minute.

Surely the gift card issuer would notice a million dollars/day of gift cards sold (minus whatever commission they paid).

Every single card drained to zero within 30 minutes of load activation, oops, where's our breakage? LOL...
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 2:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Chris58
I have to think that even IF Simon started selling M.O.'s it would be the end of any gift card contract in a New York minute.

Surely the gift card issuer would notice a million dollars/day of gift cards sold (minus whatever commission they paid).

Every single card drained to zero within 30 minutes of load activation, oops, where's our breakage? LOL...
lol and yeah I also forgot to mention, if Simon did start selling MO's. The fees probably would be on the higher side, given the convenience. So we'd just be sharing our card rewards with Simon. Meaning the numbers look even sillier to do this profitably, and more likely to get noticed by the bank.
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Chris58
I have to think that even IF Simon started selling M.O.'s it would be the end of any gift card contract in a New York minute.

Surely the gift card issuer would notice a million dollars/day of gift cards sold (minus whatever commission they paid).

Every single card drained to zero within 30 minutes of load activation, oops, where's our breakage? LOL...

It would be very easy for Simon to put in limits to avoid that if it was going to be an issue.
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 2:25 pm
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Originally Posted by CerealCardSpender
lol and yeah I also forgot to mention, if Simon did start selling MO's. The fees probably would be on the higher side, given the convenience. So we'd just be sharing our card rewards with Simon. Meaning the numbers look even sillier to do this profitably, and more likely to get noticed by the bank.
Higher M.O. fees wouldn't bother me for a one stop place to print money, LOL...

We might as well dream of a "Kate" on every street corner, LOL....
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 2:28 pm
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Originally Posted by History05
It would be very easy for Simon to put in limits to avoid that if it was going to be an issue.
Simon was great with a $10k/day limit, and even better with $25k.

Don't think Simon's after the small ball players.
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 2:30 pm
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Originally Posted by CerealCardSpender
If I want to buy a $100 piece of plastic, and it happens to have some Walmart logos and a magstrip on it, why can't Walmart book that as revenue? lol.
Because they can only book it as revenue once. And accounting rules say you book it when it's redeemed.

https://www.complianceweek.com/new-r...0the%20revenue.

"The recognition of the sale of a gift card is straightforward. When a company sells a gift card, the cash it receives is recognized as a liability until the gift card is redeemed for goods or services. Upon redemption, then the company reverses the liability and recognizes the revenue."
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 2:34 pm
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I don't believe that when Safeway loads a Visa GC for $500 it keeps the $500 on its own books until the Visa card is spent somewhere. That would require endless checking of the balance of millions of cards each day. Safeway must remit the $500 it collects to BHN (less whatever fees Safeway is entitled to).
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 2:36 pm
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Originally Posted by ogg
What's your basis for saying that? I can't believe that's the way things work. If I buy a $500 Visa GC at Safeway, give it to my daughter, and she spends it at a dozen restaurants in the next three years in different states, do you really think Safeway is checking that card's remaining value each day to see if it can book the revenue?
No, I was talking about for store-branded gift cards for ones own store (IE, a WM gift card sold at WM). That's exactly why I gave the two examples.

And I'd have to imagine the only revenue that Safeway can book, in that example, is their fee that it is negotiated with Blackhawk. (IE, they can't book the whole $500 as revenue.)
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 2:36 pm
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Originally Posted by ogg
What's your basis for saying that? I can't believe that's the way things work. If I buy a $500 Visa GC at Safeway, give it to my daughter, and she spends it at a dozen restaurants in the next three years in different states, do you really think Safeway is checking that card's remaining value each day to see if it can book the revenue?
1 post above yours.
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 2:42 pm
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Originally Posted by CerealCardSpender
They probably have a contract with Metabank so not easy to jump ship.
They jumped ship from US BANK to MetaBank. They can jump back.
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 2:44 pm
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Safeway is just a go between. The $500 is never counted in their revenue.
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 2:48 pm
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Originally Posted by Alcibiades
They jumped ship from US BANK to MetaBank. They can jump back.
Interesting. I believe I only was using Simon when they were with Meta.

Do you know when the shift happened and any implications?
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 2:55 pm
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Many years ago.

Fees went up a bit. From $2.95 for 1 card to $3.95.
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 3:01 pm
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Anybody remember when Simon GC was issued by BoA?
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Old Nov 17, 2020, 3:35 pm
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Originally Posted by benny08
Anybody remember when Simon GC was issued by BoA ?
around 2001
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