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Read the wiki before posting a question.
It's a literacy test that's easy to pass.

This is the Serve thread. Post questions or information concerning other topics in the appropriate threads elsewhere in this forum.

For additional information on using prepaid debit cards, see PIN available now for Visa/MC prepaid debit cards.

Mentions of Softcard (formerly ISIS) are purely incidental to setting up and using Serve/Softcard. Softcard does not hold money, and you cannot load to it.


You cannot make an ACH pull from Serve. The direct deposit account and routing numbers are for deposits only.

https://www.serve.com/#/add-cash

If your card doesn't say "debit" on the front, it isn't a debit card.


Loads at 7-11 and CVS are cash only. Debit cards are NOT allowed.

Loads at Walmart have been confirmed with debit cards. Self checkout does not work for loading Serve. Many Walmart stores are enforcing a rule against the use of prepaid debit cards when loading, even though the register and the MCE do not enforce. Do not make your prepaid debit cards visible. Show them a bank debit card if asked, then discreetly use your prepaid card when asked to swipe. Otherwise, you may be asked by management to never visit the MC (Walmart Money Center) again to load.

Debit loading at Family Dollar appears to be limited to $500 per day per store total (not per person or per account). Whoever gets there first gets the load for the day. Troubleshooting loading problems at FD


Normal Serve
  • Serve loading via VR/MP or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
  • Online Debit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month (NOT a gift card with a PIN that some people call a "Debit card")
  • Online Credit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month
  • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
  • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
  • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $7k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Serve/Softcard Check if your phone/network is compatible
  • Serve loading via VR/MP or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
  • Online Debit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month (NOT a gift card with a PIN that some people call a "Debit card")
  • Online Credit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
  • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
  • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
  • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $8k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

The SD card in the iPhone case used for Softcard is account specific. Once an account has been registered to a card, it cannot be used for another.

Temp Serve
You can only load a maximum of $500/day, $1000/month on a temporary card. Once you get your permanent card, then you can load more. The initial $500 when you purchase the temp card doesn't count against the $5,000/month load limit.


Online Credit Card Loads
Only one card can be linked at a time.

As of 10/09/14, coding of credit card loads changed. In general, Mastercard and American Express cards post as before; see below for information on point earning. Visa cards transact as a cash advance and, therefore, require available CA limit; although most cards post as a purchase.

The Chase Ink Bold is a charge card and has no cash advance ability.

Treated as purchase, earns cashback/points/miles:
  • Bank of America (FIA) (MasterCard, American Express)
  • Barclaycard (Mastercard, Visa)
  • Capital One (Mastercard, Visa)
  • Chase (MasterCard, Visa)
  • Citi (MasterCard, American Express)
  • Discover

Treated as purchase, but doesn't earn points/miles:
  • American Express (May count toward minimum spend)

Posts as a cash advance:
For online CC/DC loads, the name on the Serve account is supposed to match the name of the primary or joint cardholder. So using someone else's CC/DB card to load a Serve account is not allowed.

Several people have reported no problems with loading with an AU card in the Serve account holder's name. Increase your chances by making sure the AUs social security number is on file with the Credit Card. YMMV.

When adding a new card you will usually need to call Serve Account security (1-800-555-4318) for verification of the new card on the second load try. This verification usually requires uploading of a photo of your ID and the credit card. You may pre-emptively avoid the error by going to the above website, logging in, and uploading a scan of a photo ID and the card you are trying to add. You may call back to expedite approval.


Online Debit Card Loads
For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal*, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. While initial transactions may work, your account will eventually be flagged.


Switching to Serve or Serve/Softcard
Helpful instruction post, latest. Thanks raeneye.

Also see this thread: Switching from Serve to BlueBird - 31 day wait???

Switching to Serve/Softcard
  1. Call up Bluebird or Serve and close account. Make sure your account is at $0.00 before calling. Just close it, don't ask for a temp Serve or anything. CSR will say account is now closed and you have 30 days to change your mind should you decide to re-open it.
  2. Download the Softcard mobile app from Apple App Store or Google Play Store. If you're an iPhone user you have to buy the NFC CashWrap case from your carrier store.
  3. Launch Softcard Mobile App and create Softcard account. You'll be asked if you want to open a Serve account; Yes you do. Start the registration through Softcard mobile app for a Serve account, once you are finished you will be told you will receive an Email from Amex with your account approval. I waited a few hours and called Serve customer service like the wiki says and completed the registration.
  4. Once I got off the phone with Serve I received an email from Serve where I verified my account and email; at this point Amex Serve is open.
  5. Launch Softcard Mobile app again click add new
  6. Activate card with Softcard and select Amex Serve. Follow the instructions & you're good to add. Once this is complete a Serve Card will populate in Softcard. Must activate physical card to get full load limits. Check account status and it automatically credits to your serve account based on who you signed up with. (Verizon - $25, T-Mobile - $50, AT&T - $30 (For AT&T: Get $15 w/activation. Earn additional $15 w/account replenishment))

Switching from BB to Serve
  1. Login to BB account, bring account balance to Zero, (By Bill Pay, Send money, etc..)
  2. Call BB, tell them that you want to open a serve account and close your current BB account. after they check everything they will say something like: "Your account will be permanently closed after 31 days, you can reopen it within 31 day if you change your mind, and you can apply for your new Serve account now, just make sure use the exact same register info from BB."
  3. at this point BB is closed. next morning, goto CVS and get a temporary Serve card (only with cash), load $500, ($2.95 waived, Yeah!!)
  4. get back home, register temporary Serve online, First error: "phone number already registered, please try a different number" could be the my BB's ghost account still showing up on their system, could be my info is not match my BB's registration? i'm not really sure at this point. What I did is keep the same number but change from Cell phone to home phone. and registration went through
  5. after the register and login, second error: "We're still processing your application. Please check your email for an update"
  6. I have see people on the thread reported waiting for weeks for the same message, So, I pickup the phone and called them, ask them to speed up the process.
  7. CSR, told me that my account went to "account security protection department" transfer me to them.
  8. at account security protection department, they told me need to call back on my phone number which I registered to verify.
  9. after the call back of verification, CSR told me that my new Serve account is active now, email address verification will be send with in 5 minutes, permanent card will be received within 7-10 days.
  10. CSR also told me the I can load and spend on the temporary card, but not bill pay.

The number to call to approve your registration after closing Bluebird: Serve Account security 1-800-555-4318



Loading with debit card at Walmart register
Loads at register over $500 will sometimes trigger ID requirement. There is a limit of four swipes per transaction; this means your card plus three payments.

Training a WM cashier:
  • If the WM cashier doesn't know how to load the card, advise them to enter "70" then press "action code".
  • If you are using a temp card that doesn't have your name on it, you can swipe the card from your side of the terminal. The WM rep never has to touch any of your cards. The screen will say "enter account." That is your prompt to slide the card.
  • The terminal will ask the WM employee if you are loading in multiples of $2000. Advise them to enter "no."
  • Avoid saying gift card. Always refer to your card as a debit card.

Error Messages:
DEBIT NOT AVAILABLE
Received when I used a card I thought I had activated but hadn't.

DEBIT NOT APPROVED
Received when the card's monthly load limit had been reached.

TENDER NOT ALLOWED
Card was incorrectly read, or wrong PIN entered.

HOST TIMEOUT
Connection problems. The GC may be drained but the transaction should reverse itself, and funds will become available again. Try again later.


Using Serve
For online bill pay
  • You can pay the credit card that you used to buy VRs/GCs
  • Error 1302 means that you have 1 pending payment the same amount as the one you just submitted. For example, 1000 bill pay to sapphire preferred from Friday and then on Saturday you submit another bill pay for 1000 to sapphire preferred, you will get this error.
  • Tip: if using online bill pay to the same place multiple times, vary your amounts by $0.01 to make it easier to track since your confirmation number does not match the tracking number on your credit card statement



For bank transfers
Under Settings --> Funding & Transfers --> Bank & Cards --> U.S. Bank Account, you can add your bank info and transfer funds from your Serve card directly to your bank. The bank account must be verified, either by the standard "deposit 2 small sums into your account, such as $0.23 & $0.42" method, or doing an "instant verification" by actually logging into your bank account while still logged into Serve.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 10:33 am
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Originally Posted by HighFive
It doesn't matter who sets the limit, what matters is the limit. It's probably safe to assume that the load limit with Serve will be the same as BB.
You dont need to assume anything, the card load limits have been in effect since day 1 of the card and has nothing to do with walmart or CVS. Since it was 1K before while loading at CVS, it is still 1K now loading at walmart, like the other poster said the limits are not set by the store doing the loading but the card itself, which means its ALWAYS been 1K a day. Now that it loads at walmart does not change that.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 10:36 am
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Originally Posted by ericdabbs
Did you not look at the wiki? It clearly states $1K max load/day. Its not a WM policy. Now WM themselves could set a policy to say they will only let you load $500 max but I have not heard such a thing even with BB. However if there is no such policy the max you can load is $1K/day. Serve and BB are like brother and sister. Only difference is that Serve has some additional benefits of CC loads.
Yes I read the Wiki numerous times, and just in the past 1-2 minutes a "WM" got stuck in there. How do I know that? because I had just copied and pasted it somewhere and it wasn't there!
So thank you to whoever added that!
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 10:38 am
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Originally Posted by DaveInLA
Are there now any advantages BB has over Serve? I've been doing debit loads on my BB card using my PP Business Debit MC (1% cash back on purchases, which BB codes as on the PP card). I know debit loads are also possible on Serve, but can anybody confirm that you get 1% cash back when using PP Business Debit MC to load on Serve?
Originally Posted by GTFan
I believe PP only gives the 1% for signature transactions (i.e. credit), not PIN-based debit.
Originally Posted by cdancer20
The debit card usage on both BB and Serve are signature-based debits. They should probably work the same. I have used both for my RCA acct and both have worked the same.
You guys are giving way too much explanation instead of answering the question. The answer is YES.. it counts for the 1% CB. BB and Serve count online DC loads as signature based transactions and there is no PIN required when doing online DC loads. Case closed.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 11:05 am
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Originally Posted by ericdabbs
You guys are giving way too much explanation instead of answering the question. The answer is YES.. it counts for the 1% CB. BB and Serve count online DC loads as signature based transactions and there is no PIN required when doing online DC loads. Case closed.
I gave the information that I knew which is that it is signature-based. I am not going to confirm that it will definitely give 1% because I have no experience with that particular product. So for you to come back and basically reiterate the majority of what I just said means that you put too much explanation into it.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by cdancer20
I gave the information that I knew which is that it is signature-based. I am not going to confirm that it will definitely give 1% because I have no experience with that particular product. So for you to come back and basically reiterate the majority of what I just said means that you put too much explanation into it.
Sometimes all our explanations sound like adults on Charlie Brown TV specials... wah wah wahh wa wa aw wah wa.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 11:43 am
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Can someone skilled in the ways of BB clean this up and post it in the wiki? I don't want a bunch of uninformed people killing the kates for everyone else.

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So, convention wisdom on using Kate to feed birds is:

1) no more than 4 cards/ less than $2k total
2) wait at least 10 minutes
3) hope nobody else is using Kate for BBs, or the Red Light of Death may come on
3) go back to step #1

It's apparent that Kate doesn't "clear" BB activity for some time when hermetically sealed. However, has anyone tried doing an ATM withdraw in between trying to load just under $2k in two batches?

I'm thinking an ATM withdraw might clear her. Someone could try a fee-reimbursed ATM withdraw themselves, or wait for someone after them to do a transaction with Kate. This might also explain why some people swear by 10 minutes and others need to wait a bit longer.

Hell, I'd probably even pay a $3 ATM fee if it meant not spending another 10 minutes of my life at Wal Mart.
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1) 2K is the relevant number.
# of cards does not matter--if you have $200 cards, you can load as many in a row as you want (because you can't actually load 2K within 10 mins using $200s, now if you mix in some 500s, you might trigger the lockout).

Also, 2K is the limit. 1999.99 is under the limit. So if you just want to load 4x500, load 499.99 with the last one to avoid the lockout and you don't have to wait.

2) If you're waiting after your first 1999.99, a good place to wait is in cashier lines, where you can accomplish more BB loading.

I only have 3 BBs, so with a working Kate, I can load 4 cards, then load another two via regular cashiers and be on my way.

3) If you notice someone else loading cards at Kate, just head for the cashier lines, or wait in the MC line. If Kate hasn't gotten locked up, you could try her on your way out (do your 499.99 first, just in case).
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 11:48 am
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Originally Posted by cdancer20
I gave the information that I knew which is that it is signature-based. I am not going to confirm that it will definitely give 1% because I have no experience with that particular product. So for you to come back and basically reiterate the majority of what I just said means that you put too much explanation into it.
Well, I'm getting 1% cash back on PP debit loads on BB, so if Serve also counts those loads as signature purchase, there's no reason why I won't get 1% back on that as well, I suppose.

Now I see NO reason to keep BB.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by DaveInLA
Well, I'm getting 1% cash back on PP debit loads on BB, so if Serve also counts those loads as signature purchase, there's no reason why I won't get 1% back on that as well, I suppose.

Now I see NO reason to keep BB.
I was able to set up PP debit with BB, but not Serve. Serve called Bancorp and then told me it is not a regular bank debit account.

Has anyone be able to link PP debit with Serve?
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 12:29 pm
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Anyone have an idea how long it takes isis to mail you a new sim card? It's been nearly 3 weeks here...
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 1:28 pm
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Originally Posted by silver4300
I was able to set up PP debit with BB, but not Serve. Serve called Bancorp and then told me it is not a regular bank debit account.

Has anyone be able to link PP debit with Serve?
Were you using the PP Business Debit MC or PP Prepaid MC?
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 1:35 pm
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Tried to go to WM during my lunch break. But there was a line for the only working Kate. Everyone in line was an FTer. The one guy using Kate was using his Serve card.

Unfortunately they only had 2 checkout lines open and super long. Guess I'll go after work to try.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 1:57 pm
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So I feel like switching back & forth between Serve and BB is an awesome idea, but for me, it really pushes the bounds of "abuse" for some reason. Especially with the reoccurring signup & DD bonus.

How does everyone else feel about it? Monthly switches ok with you? I bet the Serve $50 for $1 spend is refreshed as well.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 2:03 pm
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Originally Posted by hitman1420
I bet the Serve $50 for $1 spend is refreshed as well.
I think that's ongoing every month til the end of June or something, regardless of an old or new account -- so not really a benefit of "switching" back and forth.
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 2:50 pm
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Just offering up a data point on the turnaround time of moving from BB to serve... I've read the wiki and through various posts, and it seems like people have had varying degrees of success on quick turnaround times from closing BB to opening Serve. Just wanted to share my experience thus far and see if anyone had any thoughts.

I closed BB last Wed (4/16), so basically just shy of a week now. I got the iPhone ISIS case today from VZN and tried opening a new Serve ISIS account through the ISIS app.

At first I had trouble because it said my phone number was already registered in the system (likely a holdover from my BB account), but per the wiki I changed it from mobile to home and it let me continue. At the end of the registration process I was given an error message saying something about technical difficulties, and then received an email saying Amex could not approve me for a serve account because I have an existing BB account open still.

I called serve and they said I probably had to wait 30 days, despite my attempts to expedite this. Same story when I called the BB number, although the rep emphasized I needed to input the same exact info I used to register BB, which I did with the exception of the 'phone type' which was noted as home vs. mobile since I couldn't advance further in the registration process otherwise. My security question/answer is even the same. She then said I should wait 30 days.

Seems like some people have been able to open a serve account as early as 24-48 hours after closing. Hasn't even been a week on my end, but is this really just a crapshoot or is there something else I can do?
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Old Apr 22, 2014, 3:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Nucstorm
Were you using the PP Business Debit MC or PP Prepaid MC?
business debt. worked with bb, not serve.
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