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It's a literacy test that's easy to pass.

This is the Serve thread. Post questions or information concerning other topics in the appropriate threads elsewhere in this forum.

For additional information on using prepaid debit cards, see PIN available now for Visa/MC prepaid debit cards.

Mentions of Softcard (formerly ISIS) are purely incidental to setting up and using Serve/Softcard. Softcard does not hold money, and you cannot load to it.


You cannot make an ACH pull from Serve. The direct deposit account and routing numbers are for deposits only.

https://www.serve.com/#/add-cash

If your card doesn't say "debit" on the front, it isn't a debit card.


Loads at 7-11 and CVS are cash only. Debit cards are NOT allowed.

Loads at Walmart have been confirmed with debit cards. Self checkout does not work for loading Serve. Many Walmart stores are enforcing a rule against the use of prepaid debit cards when loading, even though the register and the MCE do not enforce. Do not make your prepaid debit cards visible. Show them a bank debit card if asked, then discreetly use your prepaid card when asked to swipe. Otherwise, you may be asked by management to never visit the MC (Walmart Money Center) again to load.

Debit loading at Family Dollar appears to be limited to $500 per day per store total (not per person or per account). Whoever gets there first gets the load for the day. Troubleshooting loading problems at FD


Normal Serve
  • Serve loading via VR/MP or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
  • Online Debit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month (NOT a gift card with a PIN that some people call a "Debit card")
  • Online Credit Card Load - $200/day and $1,000/month
  • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
  • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
  • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $7k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

Serve/Softcard Check if your phone/network is compatible
  • Serve loading via VR/MP or WM/FD load: $2,500/day and $5,000 total per calendar month
  • Online Debit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month (NOT a gift card with a PIN that some people call a "Debit card")
  • Online Credit Card Load - $500/day and $1,500/month
  • Checking/Savings Account - $2,000/month
  • Checks - $2,000/day and $10,000/month
  • ATM Withdrawals - $750/day and $2,000/month

You can combine the three methods above and load a total of $8k/month to a single Serve account for miles/points earning purposes, but beware that you're also subject to a $10,000/month add money limit which also includes check deposits, ACH transfers, and Serve transfers.

The SD card in the iPhone case used for Softcard is account specific. Once an account has been registered to a card, it cannot be used for another.

Temp Serve
You can only load a maximum of $500/day, $1000/month on a temporary card. Once you get your permanent card, then you can load more. The initial $500 when you purchase the temp card doesn't count against the $5,000/month load limit.


Online Credit Card Loads
Only one card can be linked at a time.

As of 10/09/14, coding of credit card loads changed. In general, Mastercard and American Express cards post as before; see below for information on point earning. Visa cards transact as a cash advance and, therefore, require available CA limit; although most cards post as a purchase.

The Chase Ink Bold is a charge card and has no cash advance ability.

Treated as purchase, earns cashback/points/miles:
  • Bank of America (FIA) (MasterCard, American Express)
  • Barclaycard (Mastercard, Visa)
  • Capital One (Mastercard, Visa)
  • Chase (MasterCard, Visa)
  • Citi (MasterCard, American Express)
  • Discover

Treated as purchase, but doesn't earn points/miles:
  • American Express (May count toward minimum spend)

Posts as a cash advance:
For online CC/DC loads, the name on the Serve account is supposed to match the name of the primary or joint cardholder. So using someone else's CC/DB card to load a Serve account is not allowed.

Several people have reported no problems with loading with an AU card in the Serve account holder's name. Increase your chances by making sure the AUs social security number is on file with the Credit Card. YMMV.

When adding a new card you will usually need to call Serve Account security (1-800-555-4318) for verification of the new card on the second load try. This verification usually requires uploading of a photo of your ID and the credit card. You may pre-emptively avoid the error by going to the above website, logging in, and uploading a scan of a photo ID and the card you are trying to add. You may call back to expedite approval.


Online Debit Card Loads
For online debit load, only use of bank-issued cards is allowed. The use of pre-paid debit cards (Netspend, Paypower, Univision, Paypal*, etc.) and VGC/MGC/AGCs is not allowed. While initial transactions may work, your account will eventually be flagged.


Switching to Serve or Serve/Softcard
Helpful instruction post, latest. Thanks raeneye.

Also see this thread: Switching from Serve to BlueBird - 31 day wait???

Switching to Serve/Softcard
  1. Call up Bluebird or Serve and close account. Make sure your account is at $0.00 before calling. Just close it, don't ask for a temp Serve or anything. CSR will say account is now closed and you have 30 days to change your mind should you decide to re-open it.
  2. Download the Softcard mobile app from Apple App Store or Google Play Store. If you're an iPhone user you have to buy the NFC CashWrap case from your carrier store.
  3. Launch Softcard Mobile App and create Softcard account. You'll be asked if you want to open a Serve account; Yes you do. Start the registration through Softcard mobile app for a Serve account, once you are finished you will be told you will receive an Email from Amex with your account approval. I waited a few hours and called Serve customer service like the wiki says and completed the registration.
  4. Once I got off the phone with Serve I received an email from Serve where I verified my account and email; at this point Amex Serve is open.
  5. Launch Softcard Mobile app again click add new
  6. Activate card with Softcard and select Amex Serve. Follow the instructions & you're good to add. Once this is complete a Serve Card will populate in Softcard. Must activate physical card to get full load limits. Check account status and it automatically credits to your serve account based on who you signed up with. (Verizon - $25, T-Mobile - $50, AT&T - $30 (For AT&T: Get $15 w/activation. Earn additional $15 w/account replenishment))

Switching from BB to Serve
  1. Login to BB account, bring account balance to Zero, (By Bill Pay, Send money, etc..)
  2. Call BB, tell them that you want to open a serve account and close your current BB account. after they check everything they will say something like: "Your account will be permanently closed after 31 days, you can reopen it within 31 day if you change your mind, and you can apply for your new Serve account now, just make sure use the exact same register info from BB."
  3. at this point BB is closed. next morning, goto CVS and get a temporary Serve card (only with cash), load $500, ($2.95 waived, Yeah!!)
  4. get back home, register temporary Serve online, First error: "phone number already registered, please try a different number" could be the my BB's ghost account still showing up on their system, could be my info is not match my BB's registration? i'm not really sure at this point. What I did is keep the same number but change from Cell phone to home phone. and registration went through
  5. after the register and login, second error: "We're still processing your application. Please check your email for an update"
  6. I have see people on the thread reported waiting for weeks for the same message, So, I pickup the phone and called them, ask them to speed up the process.
  7. CSR, told me that my account went to "account security protection department" transfer me to them.
  8. at account security protection department, they told me need to call back on my phone number which I registered to verify.
  9. after the call back of verification, CSR told me that my new Serve account is active now, email address verification will be send with in 5 minutes, permanent card will be received within 7-10 days.
  10. CSR also told me the I can load and spend on the temporary card, but not bill pay.

The number to call to approve your registration after closing Bluebird: Serve Account security 1-800-555-4318



Loading with debit card at Walmart register
Loads at register over $500 will sometimes trigger ID requirement. There is a limit of four swipes per transaction; this means your card plus three payments.

Training a WM cashier:
  • If the WM cashier doesn't know how to load the card, advise them to enter "70" then press "action code".
  • If you are using a temp card that doesn't have your name on it, you can swipe the card from your side of the terminal. The WM rep never has to touch any of your cards. The screen will say "enter account." That is your prompt to slide the card.
  • The terminal will ask the WM employee if you are loading in multiples of $2000. Advise them to enter "no."
  • Avoid saying gift card. Always refer to your card as a debit card.

Error Messages:
DEBIT NOT AVAILABLE
Received when I used a card I thought I had activated but hadn't.

DEBIT NOT APPROVED
Received when the card's monthly load limit had been reached.

TENDER NOT ALLOWED
Card was incorrectly read, or wrong PIN entered.

HOST TIMEOUT
Connection problems. The GC may be drained but the transaction should reverse itself, and funds will become available again. Try again later.


Using Serve
For online bill pay
  • You can pay the credit card that you used to buy VRs/GCs
  • Error 1302 means that you have 1 pending payment the same amount as the one you just submitted. For example, 1000 bill pay to sapphire preferred from Friday and then on Saturday you submit another bill pay for 1000 to sapphire preferred, you will get this error.
  • Tip: if using online bill pay to the same place multiple times, vary your amounts by $0.01 to make it easier to track since your confirmation number does not match the tracking number on your credit card statement



For bank transfers
Under Settings --> Funding & Transfers --> Bank & Cards --> U.S. Bank Account, you can add your bank info and transfer funds from your Serve card directly to your bank. The bank account must be verified, either by the standard "deposit 2 small sums into your account, such as $0.23 & $0.42" method, or doing an "instant verification" by actually logging into your bank account while still logged into Serve.
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Old Nov 26, 2011, 4:56 pm
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Originally Posted by johndoe123
Don't you get 2 free atms per months anyways? or not?
I have never used the ATM card they sent me. Based on an earlier posts, I was assuming that the $2 foreign ATM fee applies to all withdrawals, but I don't know for sure. I know I can send $250 from Serve to my bank account with no fee.
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Old Nov 26, 2011, 7:18 pm
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The small monthly credit card limits are really turning me off from this.
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Old Nov 27, 2011, 10:40 am
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Originally Posted by Andy2
I have been doing the $250 "free miles" each month using different AMEX cards since the service began, and there have not been any cash advance fees. I will miss these free miles come January. Every little bit helps.

Oh, and you don't need to pay the ATM withdrawal fee. You can link Serve to a bank account and transfer your Serve balance to that bank account for free.
I had been doing the $250 transfers from a AMEX SPG BUSINESS OPEN card.
($100+$100+$50). I was pleased that there was no cash advance fee. I then took out the $250 from an ATM and paid $2 ATM fee charge by ATM NOT Serve.

I did this just to help meet minimum spend.

Today I saw my OPEN monthly statement and NOT only did I NOT get SPG points but it did NOT add $250 to my minimum spend.

So in this one, AMEX got the best out of me!!
Not only is it time consuming for a meager $250, it did not count!

So this deal is DEAD for me.

I would like to see if other users can review their statements and let me know if this is just an OPEN issue or all over AMEX. Does it work with MC/VISA, Citibank? Does MC/VISA or Citibank treat it like a cash advance?

On a positive note, I am thankful that I noticed this a few days before my 90 day deadline, so I still have time to make minimum spend, it would have been terrible if I missed my bonus points.
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Old Nov 27, 2011, 10:57 am
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Originally Posted by Andy2
I have been doing the $250 "free miles" each month using different AMEX cards since the service began, and there have not been any cash advance fees. I will miss these free miles come January. Every little bit helps.

Oh, and you don't need to pay the ATM withdrawal fee. You can link Serve to a bank account and transfer your Serve balance to that bank account for free.
Doing this is the best way to get your account closed and issue a financial review! I would advise you not to do this. Amex is smarter than you think. You are gambling a lot for just 250 miles.

Amazon payments closed accounts of people doing this loop.

If you have gotten away doing this, great, just dont abuse it.
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Old Nov 29, 2011, 9:28 pm
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Originally Posted by ORD-TGU
Doing this is the best way to get your account closed and issue a financial review! I would advise you not to do this. Amex is smarter than you think. You are gambling a lot for just 250 miles.

Amazon payments closed accounts of people doing this loop.

If you have gotten away doing this, great, just dont abuse it.
I've done exactly that for months now. I agree with not abusing it. The key is to do it only ONE way (from you to another person's account), and not to send money back and forth between the two accounts.
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Old Nov 30, 2011, 1:28 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerInCmh
I've done exactly that for months now. I agree with not abusing it. The key is to do it only ONE way (from you to another person's account), and not to send money back and forth between the two accounts.
Also, if you receive money from one person don't deposit it into your account and then send money to a 3rd person using a credit card. I did this for 2 months and Amazon recently declined my latest transfer attempt. I already met the receiving limit, so I'll find out next month whether or not they shut down my credit card activity all together.
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Old Nov 30, 2011, 3:33 pm
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Originally Posted by bpro32
Also, if you receive money from one person don't deposit it into your account and then send money to a 3rd person using a credit card. I did this for 2 months and Amazon recently declined my latest transfer attempt. I already met the receiving limit, so I'll find out next month whether or not they shut down my credit card activity all together.
Merely a theory.

Might be part of additional activity that causes account shut down, but, not this alone (I have well over a years experience in the matter that can attest to that).

Perhaps buy something from Amazon once and a while using each of your accounts?

Perhaps let the money sit in the account for a while before withdrawing?

Perhaps alternate the amounts?

Lot's of variables, and wish I knew what really triggers the shut down. I'll suggest this though, if you've got something that's been working long term, then probably best not to change your behavior.
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Old Nov 30, 2011, 3:35 pm
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Originally Posted by bpro32
Also, if you receive money from one person don't deposit it into your account and then send money to a 3rd person using a credit card. I did this for 2 months and Amazon recently declined my latest transfer attempt. I already met the receiving limit, so I'll find out next month whether or not they shut down my credit card activity all together.
Does anyone have a trouble to log in serve.com today? I don't know why but suddenly it says my email address and passwords are not matching???
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Old Nov 30, 2011, 4:04 pm
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Originally Posted by ORD-TGU
I would like to see if other users can review their statements and let me know if this is just an OPEN issue or all over AMEX. Does it work with MC/VISA, Citibank? Does MC/VISA or Citibank treat it like a cash advance?
This works very well with CHASE credit cards - you get miles/points and it is counted as purchases towards your minimum spend requirement.
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 10:57 am
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I set up a scheduled load for $250 total ($50 x 5 times, once a day). Seems like the easiest way to meet your monthly without revisiting every day.
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 11:05 am
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You can also win $10 if you answer the trivia question right...

Its easy, just have Google up.

It will get sent to your Serve account

http://www.playmoneymover.com
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 11:11 am
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Data point: I transferred $25 from Serve to Citibank checking account to meet the monthly direct deposit requirement. Confirmed with Citibank that this is valid and that I have fulfilled my December requirement.

I know many use paypal for this sort of thing - so just an alternative for those that need to do a direct deposit and dont want to bother with salary, pension, etc...
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 11:37 am
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Anyone see an issue with adding your SSN to Amazon Payments now? With my personal "ap conga line" among friends, we stay well under $20K or 200 transactions per year, which is the limit until you have to start filing stuff with the IRS, right?
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 11:49 am
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Originally Posted by infamousdx
Anyone see an issue with adding your SSN to Amazon Payments now? With my personal "ap conga line" among friends, we stay well under $20K or 200 transactions per year, which is the limit until you have to start filing stuff with the IRS, right?
Probably going to get hit with a 1099 or something next year.

If it ends up being taxable, I'm out.
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Old Dec 14, 2011, 12:35 pm
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Originally Posted by rajuabju
Probably going to get hit with a 1099 or something next year.

If it ends up being taxable, I'm out.
I think that taxable isn't the right word. Hassle would be the better term.

If a person gets a 1099 (say for $25,000), the amount on the 1099 has to show up on the tax return as gross receipts, but taxable income from the transactions is another story.

If a person funded an "account" with $25,000 and sent the $25,000 to himself, most of us would argue that he doesn't have any taxable income from that activity. So in addition to reporting the $25,000 of gross receipts, he reports a $25,000 deduction to take his taxable income from this activity to $0. We can debate until the cows come home whether the 25,000 of reward points are taxable at some amount like 1 cent per mile, or if the reward miles are nontaxable under the rebate rule.

Filling out the form reflecting $25,000 of gross receipts and $25,000 of deductions is a little bit of a hassle, and some worry that it looks a tad strange, especially if it is dome year after year.
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