W-N

One word. SERVICE. Wynn doesn't compare to the FS on that point. I'm not in a hurry to stay there again.

BLV

Maybe, I never stayed at FS in Vegas or any other FS except Paris, but while realizing that many are crazy about FS, I generally prefer to stay away from it :-D

baccarat_king

please elaborate on you "bad experience" at Wynn; I think it would be interesting; since I have NOT heard a lot of "negative" stuff about this property.

Kagehitokiri

ALL the reviews I've read on the Wynn's service is negative, unless you're gambling, then they treat you extremely well, even if you're bets are not that high.

To me, Skylofts can't seem to be beaten.. I was planning a 4 night stay in a 2BR through AMEX FHR (upgrade to 3BR if available) at just under $1200 a night (incl taxes) (3BR = $6500) I even booked each night separately in order to maximize my chances for upgrade The late checkout/early checkin overlapped, and you checkin from your room, so it's not even more work to do.

But I ended up spending a lot more on my upcoming EU trip, and I already have condos booked for 2 weeks in Vega anyway. (Family trip)

To be clear, I see no BOOKABLE rooms (not controlled by casino) that are superior to Skylofts in terms of quality/size/service/rate.

They are all lofts, 1BR = $600, 2BR = $1200, 3BR = $6500 (weekday rates) F/S/N rates are significantly higher.

The FS is significantly more expensive for suites, if I remember correctly, however the two differences would be traditional interiors instead of modern, and being off the strip.

Also, THEhotel seems to have some nice suites, M might have 3 sides of glass walls, and L is similar to 2BR Skyloft in size. I'll see if the floorplans are still up. The rates for them are comparable to Skylofts, but the concierge/butler services are NOT complimentary, as they are at Skylofts.

THEhotel floorplans > http://www.natpe.org/conference/exhi...ctionSpace.pdf


http://www.tripadvisor.com/Search?lc...=203463&ssrc=r

Hmm, 5 reviews on tripadvisor now for Skylofts. They all look like very good ones

Review of Wynn > gambled and got comps, stayed in (ridiculously overpriced) villa
http://www.ratevegas.com/blog/2005/1..._vegas_24.html

number_6

I have never stayed at the Skylofts, but there was a reality show on TV (Top Chef) which had the contestants stay in a Skyloft and showed quite a bit of footage of various parts of the suite. I was astonished at how poor the Skyloft was, compared to the high-roller suites at the Mirage, for example. Really shabby. And this was either a 2BR or 3BR suite (probably 2BR). It did not make me want to ever stay at the MGM Skylofts.

baccarat_king

shabby ?? does sound a "bit" harsh

do remember, Vegas is the land of untouchable high-roller suites. I don't think you can ever really compare a suite offered to a whale who has a 15 million credit line, and is willing to bet 20K per hand to anything one can buy or upgrade to. Elite status, Amex Centurion etc. really are NOT in the same league as a player who is willing to wager (and potentially) lose millions in the course of a weekend.

Of course, if you happened to be Mr. Packer, you were not be allowed to play at MGM, since your action was considered to be a bit too strong... or maybe he just upset folks with those 10K tips to the dealers.

BLV

519 reviews of Wynn on Trip Advisor as opposed to 107 for FS. Briefly going through Wynn's reviews, I'd say that it doesn't differ much from any other hotel reviews: some hate it, some love it, some are impartial. However, most definitely NOT ALL reviews are negative :-).

JimStraz

I remember last year when the Wynn first opened. It was not a smooth opening. Based on what I was hearing and reading last year, I would not want to stay at the Wynn - ever. Now that they closed Avenue Q, I have more reason NOT to try it.

Wynn is not FS...plain and simple. Wynn is a casino resort and FS is all about service with no casino rating. Why gamble away your money when you can spend it on a guaranteed 5 Star experience at the FS.

Also, all of the construction on the street next to the Wynn is a mess. Totally gross. I also visited the hotel and I was not impressed at all. I hated the mall/shopping area. The fabrics were tacky and the hotel itself felt congested, cramped and boring. The Bellagio is still a better hotel with better decor...expecially the new spa tower area.

I am staying at the FS next month and can't wait. I will admit however that I am always torn between Bellagio and Four Seasons. Great service won out on this next trip! :-:

baccarat_king

and why visit Las Vegas if you are not going to gamble. I can think of endless places in the world I rather spend my vacation that are a heck of a lot more pristine than The Vegas.

Personally, the only really redeeming quality of Vegas is that it offers the best gaming opportunities on the planet (even with all of the changes over the past 5-10 years) --- the variety, games offered, and people working in Vegas (w/r/t gaming) just can't be compared to anyplace else.

Vegas does offer a lot, but IMHO, 5 * experiences are one thing that are better found at luxury properties almost anyplace else in the world --- Now, I personally feel that service OVERALL is better in Vegas than most places; so you get a lot more bang for your buck at a standard 4* property; but 5* is a different story.

JimStraz

I am sorry, but I do not agree with you. I live in Los Angeles and LOVE going to Vegas for the excitement of it. Vegas is pretty much So. Cal's Scottsdale, AZ. IMHO, I feel that Vegas is even becoming the NYC of the West. The theatre and shows are getting better and better. I also love the spas, the restaurants and the pools. I do not drink alcohol at all and I gamble very very lightly. My sister and I go every year and we look forward to it so much. Everyone has their own reasons why they love Vegas, so please do not assume that everyone thinks like you do when it comes to the gaming scene! Four Seasons is 5 star resort comfort on the Strip. The Ritz in Lake Las Vegas is pretty swanky too. LOVE EM BOTH!

baccarat_king

I appreciate your opinion, BUT
why do you need a So. Cal's Scottsdale AZ when you have a Scottsdale AZ ?
and why do you need a NYC of the West when you have NYC ?

Don't get me wrong. I love Vegas --- but, I will never understand why people can't just appreciate Vegas for what Vegas IS.

Sort of the same way you appreciate NYC, London, Paris and Venice what what they are.

The only reason why Vegas is what it is today is because of the gaming; and the interest in gaming around the world. Yes, Vegas has done a fine job of leveraging and extracting major $$$ from the non-gaming folks; but in the end, it is the gaming that supports much of what has been developed in Vegas. (and BTW, I am personally opposed to much of this expansion of gaming... but, that is another topic entirely)

BLV

I think that $559/night for an almost 2k sqf suite at the Wynn would be enough to lure me away from Bellagio, where I always stay when in Vegas.

Now, why go to Vegas and stay off the strip is beyond me, but that's just me :-).

DrivingRain

Vegas has something for everyone. Most people want to experience some luxury & glitz. Wynn and Bellagio do that well IMO (btw...I very much like the Wynn's cabana setup). If you want a quiet strip experience the FS is there. If you want a full resort, the RC is there.

W-N

My experience was last year, so YMMV. The person checking me in at the front desk was rude and probably one of the most unhelpful staff members of a hotel I have ever encountered. I was on an Amex promo and she kept saying "We don't honor that." I even produced the printout with all the details from the Wynn website. She wasn't interested. Once I made it to my room, I called the front desk manager and explained what happened. She was very apologetic and upgraded my room. The rest of the staff did not appear to be very interested in customer satisfaction. There was a lack of helpfulness that is usually present at high-end properties. The rooms were nice and we did have a great experience at Bartolotta for dinner.

I'm not saying it's the worst property in the world, but compared to other Las Vegas properties, it's not the best. I don't plan to stay at the Wynn again. I prefer the FS or theHotel when I am in Las Vegas.

For those wanting more excitement, try one of the Palms fantasy suites...
http://www.palms.com/landing/fantasy/

JimStraz

Because it is a very easy drive to Vegas. Only 4 hours from LA. Much closer than AZ and NY.