Mediocre crowds at luxury hotels
May 27, 2015, 10:15 am
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When people start quoting themselves or discussing clothes, that's a sure sign that a thread has run its course. I'm going to leave this one open for a bit to see if we can get back on course, but please stick to the topic.
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May 27, 2015, 6:38 pm
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Richard... speaking only for myself, I am not sure what the course here ever was, or what exactly this thread could ever hope to make as a constructive contribution to this forum. It should be deleted in its entirety, in my opinion. The entire premise is somewhat offensive.
May 27, 2015, 7:03 pm
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Richard... speaking only for myself, I am not sure what the course here ever was, or what exactly this thread could ever hope to make as a constructive contribution to this forum. It should be deleted in its entirety, in my opinion. The entire premise is somewhat offensive.
May 27, 2015, 7:41 pm
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Richard... speaking only for myself, I am not sure what the course here ever was, or what exactly this thread could ever hope to make as a constructive contribution to this forum. It should be deleted in its entirety, in my opinion. The entire premise is somewhat offensive.
that is out of 64 posters in this thread, so less than 14%
some of 9 agree with criticism, implies 'mixed messages'
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May 27, 2015, 11:23 pm
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Richard... speaking only for myself, I am not sure what the course here ever was, or what exactly this thread could ever hope to make as a constructive contribution to this forum. It should be deleted in its entirety, in my opinion. The entire premise is somewhat offensive.
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May 28, 2015, 12:19 am
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I think the breakfast at the Wolseley is excellent. Best in London. Is the crowd there mediocre? It's a loud room (the acoustics in the center nave don't help, much prefer the no-reservations side room), and the crowd is a bit flash, but not too bridge-and-tunnel, and low on chavs.
May 28, 2015, 11:04 am
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As I am the op of this tread I am naturally against it's deletion. I think this thread is not offensive either to participants of the thread nor to the "mediocre crowds" discussed. Of course this thread demonstrates that the kind of crowd someone likes tells you more about his/her personality than the kind of hotels he/she likes.
However this thread is a good exercise in Pierre Bourdieu's theories of class distinction. Consequently Asfra-Wossen Asserate was cited who is a scholar of Mr. Bourdieu although Mr. Asserate wouldn't probably admit.
Generally speaking there are three types of hotel guests present in this thread. Some confess they see mediocre crowds at luxury hotels. Other do not bother at all about the guests surrunding them and therefore see no mediocre crowds. The third and most interesting types suppose, they themselves could be seen as mediocre by other guests. The members of the last group show both great self-awareness and self-confidence.
Furthermore the thread shows three dimensions to describe mediocre crowds: wealth, appearance/clothes and attitude/manners. It seems to be prevailing opinion that there are only weak correlations between the three dimensions.
Obviously a mediocre crowd is seen when other guests differ in at least one dimension from oneself. Therefore it could be a good selling strategy for luxury hotels to attract a possibly homogenous crowd to avoid disappointments about mediocre crowds.
However this thread is a good exercise in Pierre Bourdieu's theories of class distinction. Consequently Asfra-Wossen Asserate was cited who is a scholar of Mr. Bourdieu although Mr. Asserate wouldn't probably admit.
Generally speaking there are three types of hotel guests present in this thread. Some confess they see mediocre crowds at luxury hotels. Other do not bother at all about the guests surrunding them and therefore see no mediocre crowds. The third and most interesting types suppose, they themselves could be seen as mediocre by other guests. The members of the last group show both great self-awareness and self-confidence.
Furthermore the thread shows three dimensions to describe mediocre crowds: wealth, appearance/clothes and attitude/manners. It seems to be prevailing opinion that there are only weak correlations between the three dimensions.
Obviously a mediocre crowd is seen when other guests differ in at least one dimension from oneself. Therefore it could be a good selling strategy for luxury hotels to attract a possibly homogenous crowd to avoid disappointments about mediocre crowds.
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May 28, 2015, 11:47 am
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As I am the op of this tread I am naturally against it's deletion. I think this thread is not offensive either to participants of the thread nor to the "mediocre crowds" discussed. Of course this thread demonstrates that the kind of crowd someone likes tells you more about his/her personality than the kind of hotels he likes.
However this thread is a good exercise in Pierre Bourdieu's theories of class distinction. Consequently Asfra-Wossen Asserate was cited who is a non-openly scholar of Mr. Bourdieu although Mr. Asserate wouldn't probably admit.
Generally speaking there are three types of hotel guests present in this thread. Some confess they see mediocre crowds at luxury hotels. Other do not bother at all about the guests surrunding them and therefore see no mediocre crowds. The third and most interesting types suppose, they themselves could be seen as mediocre by other guests. The members of the last group show both a great self-awareness and self-confidence.
Furthermore the thread shows three dimensions to describe mediocre crowds: wealth, appearance/clothes and attitude/manners. It seems to be prevailing opinion that there are only weak correlations between the three dimensions.
Obviously a mediocre crowd is seen when other guests differ in at least one dimension from oneself. Therefore it could be a good selling strategy for luxury hotels to attract a possibly homogenous crowd to avoid disappointments about mediocre crowds.
However this thread is a good exercise in Pierre Bourdieu's theories of class distinction. Consequently Asfra-Wossen Asserate was cited who is a non-openly scholar of Mr. Bourdieu although Mr. Asserate wouldn't probably admit.
Generally speaking there are three types of hotel guests present in this thread. Some confess they see mediocre crowds at luxury hotels. Other do not bother at all about the guests surrunding them and therefore see no mediocre crowds. The third and most interesting types suppose, they themselves could be seen as mediocre by other guests. The members of the last group show both a great self-awareness and self-confidence.
Furthermore the thread shows three dimensions to describe mediocre crowds: wealth, appearance/clothes and attitude/manners. It seems to be prevailing opinion that there are only weak correlations between the three dimensions.
Obviously a mediocre crowd is seen when other guests differ in at least one dimension from oneself. Therefore it could be a good selling strategy for luxury hotels to attract a possibly homogenous crowd to avoid disappointments about mediocre crowds.
One of Bourdieu's key words is "Habitus".
(habit = French for suit)
Compare with my blog: "In order to really understand reality, and to make the right decisions, you require first-hand-info, contacts and exposure time. The key to most doors is your habitus." And my signature below.
"Habitus" can be learned. "Charisma" not.
Max Weber: "Charisma is a certain quality of an individual personality by virtue of which he is set apart from ordinary men and treated as endowed with supernatural, superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These are such as are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as of divine origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is treated as a leader."
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May 28, 2015, 12:29 pm
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As I am the op of this tread I am naturally against it's deletion. I think this thread is not offensive either to participants of the thread nor to the "mediocre crowds" discussed. Of course this thread demonstrates that the kind of crowd someone likes tells you more about his/her personality than the kind of hotels he/she likes.
However this thread is a good exercise in Pierre Bourdieu's theories of class distinction. Consequently Asfra-Wossen Asserate was cited who is a scholar of Mr. Bourdieu although Mr. Asserate wouldn't probably admit.
However this thread is a good exercise in Pierre Bourdieu's theories of class distinction. Consequently Asfra-Wossen Asserate was cited who is a scholar of Mr. Bourdieu although Mr. Asserate wouldn't probably admit.
And if by "sophisticated" you mean "dull" and "uninteresting" and "narcissistic" then you have perfectly captured the essence of Bernie, his little go-kart series, and your own divine powers.
May 28, 2015, 12:41 pm
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It's really funny to read some people in this thread, who claim to have a handle on sophistication and style when their pictures that are supposed to backup those claims scream just the opposite - cheesy, classless, tasteless and poorly tailored. Truly, expensive things can be bought, but style & manners are never for sale.
And really, announcing to the world that you're a "gentleman" on every page of your blog doesn't make you one. Like Thatcher once said "Power is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't".
And really, announcing to the world that you're a "gentleman" on every page of your blog doesn't make you one. Like Thatcher once said "Power is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't".
May 28, 2015, 2:19 pm
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management of "crowds" (includes nonguests and large group bookings) is a service factor
i would agree discussion could be more from perspective of property selection and service
in this thread >
2 used "mediocre" (rest disagree)
4 included attire (rest disagree)
1 finds well-behaved child annoying
one of the posts re property selection >
re good service, in another thread >
i would agree discussion could be more from perspective of property selection and service
in this thread >
2 used "mediocre" (rest disagree)
4 included attire (rest disagree)
1 finds well-behaved child annoying
one of the posts re property selection >
until there is some sort of group collectively engaged in (or attracting) behavior that I find disruptive to my ability to enjoy my stay or otherwise have the stay support the purpose of my visit. Then I have to consider that maybe it's the hotel management that is mediocre rather than "the crowd" and that I may have failed to pick the proper place at the proper time.
I had a similar situation at a resort, where a group disturbed plenty of other guests. Heavy drinking, music and loud shouting involved. The situation become very hostile very quickly. Staff realized the situation, but was unable to stop the guests until the GM was called to the scene and handled everything so classy and soft-spoken that the outcome was very good. Turned an unfortunate event into a testimony for great service (recovery). That resort was part of a very well-reputed group though and the GM is one of the best around.
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May 28, 2015, 2:52 pm
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"His" series' cars (Ferrari, Mercedes, Lotus...) will be parked by any doorman, possibly in pole position, whereas "your" series' cars (Chevy, Ford, Toyota...) will be ignored until you park them yourselves.
That is "crowd management". Thank you for introducing this important term here, Kage ^
"Habitus" is when you get your rented Kia parked by the Costes without having a room or reservation 
That is "crowd management". Thank you for introducing this important term here, Kage ^
May 28, 2015, 3:03 pm
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I really have no idea what people are talking about, but it's starting to get to who can be more arrogant than the next person.
Certainly anyone can point to anything that makes them look down on someone else, whether it is an elite education (HYPS), a nicer car (LOL at a Lotus) or more refined manners, whatever they may be.
Mediocre is in the eye of the beholder and anyone that doesn't describe at least several aspects or their life as such is just a delusional blowhard.
Can we get onto complaining about hand towels or lotions again?
Correction: There may be people distinctly not mediocre on the board: with an elite education, elite manners, elite children, elite abs, elite cars, elite taste, elite clothing, elite woodworking skills, and so on.
Certainly anyone can point to anything that makes them look down on someone else, whether it is an elite education (HYPS), a nicer car (LOL at a Lotus) or more refined manners, whatever they may be.
Mediocre is in the eye of the beholder and anyone that doesn't describe at least several aspects or their life as such is just a delusional blowhard.
Can we get onto complaining about hand towels or lotions again?
Correction: There may be people distinctly not mediocre on the board: with an elite education, elite manners, elite children, elite abs, elite cars, elite taste, elite clothing, elite woodworking skills, and so on.
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May 28, 2015, 3:49 pm
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This thread has devolved in to areas which are quite off topic. Perhaps, more suitable for OMNI than this forum.
I am closing this thread.
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I am closing this thread.
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