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Kagehitokiri Feb 25, 2012 12:49 pm


Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 18080720)
:td:

For Amanjunkies and other people who have stayed at the resort...

What is the fascination with Amanpulo?

It seems to be one of the best reviewed Amans (minus the food) in the world. Yet for me, a beach resort (fullscale or boutique) in Philippines means Boracay. Anything else other than Boracay seems a waste of time.

This is the problem I have with Amanpulo. It is not located in a good place.

If Boracay is supposed to be touristy, or backpackerish, why could you not stay at the high-end and reclusive Shangri-La Boracay Resort, for example? You won't see many working class people there, that's for sure.

Most other Amans seems to be located in prime locations within the countries they are built (apart from Amankila), but Amanpulo just seems pointless to me.

Unless you're a huge Amanjunkie, why would you even know the place existed?

saved, in the event of removal by user. (i originally quoted before 5 minute mark.)
i wont be responding again, myself.

Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 18080799)
Bye, then. You won't be missed.

Your post has been reported.


Kagehitokiri Feb 25, 2012 1:13 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/18/tr...rt-island.html

The Amanpuri (Post Office Box 196, Surin Beach, Phuket; Bangkok office telephone 2500746-7) has 40 Thai-style bungalows of 1,200 square feet each, and all with sea views. A bungalow for two during the summer season costs $181 a day, from Nov. 1 to April 30, $302. Two restaurants serve Italian and Thai food; dinner for two is about $100. Amenities include swimming pool, tennis and squash courts as well as deep-sea fishing boats for hire.

summer / winter / dinner for 2 / property / rooms
$181 $302 $100 amanpuri 40+x
$105 $140 $30 Phuket Yacht Club 108
$102 $xxx $48 Le Meridien Phuket 464 (buffet dinner)
$094 $xxx $32 Coral Beach Hotel 202
$221 $258 $xx Club Mediterranee 300 (incl full board, wine, transfers)

FlyerEC Feb 25, 2012 2:32 pm


Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 18080879)
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/18/tr...rt-island.html

The Amanpuri (Post Office Box 196, Surin Beach, Phuket; Bangkok office telephone 2500746-7) has 40 Thai-style bungalows of 1,200 square feet each, and all with sea views. A bungalow for two during the summer season costs $181 a day, from Nov. 1 to April 30, $302. Two restaurants serve Italian and Thai food; dinner for two is about $100. Amenities include swimming pool, tennis and squash courts as well as deep-sea fishing boats for hire.

summer / winter / dinner for 2 / property / rooms
$181 $302 $100 amanpuri 40+x
$105 $140 $30 Phuket Yacht Club 108
$102 $xxx $48 Le Meridien Phuket 464 (buffet dinner)
$094 $xxx $32 Coral Beach Hotel 202
$221 $258 $xx Club Mediterranee 300 (incl full board, wine, transfers)

Yes, I remember the really ' good old days ' when Amanpuri was the ' affordable Aman ' trailblazer & all team members were warm & well trained.
Now with the development of Phuket along with the profusion of resorts, sadly only a few original staff remain. These strive to keep training the ' newbies ' but it 's obviously an uphill task & to inculcate the Aman culture . Perhaps with so many villas, the GM also retreats more to his villa manager role ..

( While other family members began visiting Phuket in the pre - Aman era , my introduction to the island was Amanpuri & needless to say , a most pleasant induction )

Kagehitokiri Feb 25, 2012 3:09 pm


Originally Posted by FlyerEC (Post 18081231)
my introduction to the island was Amanpuri

so puri opened xmas of 1987?

paul2 and vuittonsofstyle discussed being there >
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...l#post12766185

deer Feb 26, 2012 5:38 am


Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 18080720)
For Amanjunkies and other people who have stayed at the resort... What is the fascination with Amanpulo?
It seems to be one of the best reviewed Amans (minus the food) in the world. Yet for me, a beach resort (fullscale or boutique) in Philippines means Boracay. Anything else other than Boracay seems a waste of time.
This is the problem I have with Amanpulo. It is not located in a good place.
If Boracay is supposed to be touristy, or backpackerish, why could you not stay at the high-end and reclusive Shangri-La Boracay Resort, for example? You won't see many working class people there, that's for sure.

Oh, is there somebody judging without never having visited the place he is judging about?

In fact, Amanpulo is one of the most beautiful island resorts worldwide - located on one of the Philippines most magical islands.

The resort has the whole island to itself: Not just a flat island, but with a beautiful hill, with fantastic views to the surrounding islands - and long beach stretches with fantastic privacy and wonderful snorkeling multicolored fish views.

Comparing this one-in-the-world-place to a mass-tourism Shangri-La with more than 200 hotel rooms (sic!) seems completely surreal to me...

Ericka Feb 26, 2012 12:54 pm

I think A380 either doesn't understand the Amanresorts concept or doesn't care for it. Aman isn't "talking" to him, and that's OK.

Amanpulo doesn't want to be on Borocay. Generally speaking, Amanresorts don't want to be in predictable locations...the further off the beaten path the better.

FlyerEC Feb 26, 2012 3:02 pm


Originally Posted by Ericka (Post 18085576)
I think A380 either doesn't understand the Amanresorts concept or doesn't care for it. Aman isn't "talking" to him, and that's OK.

Amanpulo doesn't want to be on Borocay. Generally speaking, Amanresorts don't want to be in predictable locations...the further off the beaten path the better.

Seems to not understand - :confused: - what this forum is all about - if you recall from some of posters' inputs on other threads . Rather off track - doubt has any experience at any " luxury " property let alone an Aman .. Needs to read more of forum perhaps before posting as is rather new to FlyerTalk

grumbler Feb 26, 2012 3:46 pm

Not to crash any Aman reveries, but any news about DLF's supposed sale of the chain ?

Kagehitokiri Feb 26, 2012 3:51 pm


Originally Posted by grumbler (Post 18086312)
any news about DLF's supposed sale of the chain?

its just a question of whether they are willing to accept the offers they get..
speaking of which, if acquisition did indeed include $200mm debt, that might be a problem
DLF re debt - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17423104-post607.html
and actually, did the debt "force" aman to sell in the first place..
my last post http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18014678-post64.html
did anyone take a look at the 2009 annual report i linked here? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17423090-post28.html
http://articles.economictimes.indiat...an-resorts-dlf >

The company also said that revenue from its overseas subsidiary Silverlink Resorts, which runs the Aman Resorts chain of luxury hotels, was [$17.5MM] and net loss was [$7.5MM]
im assuming for this quarter, but no idea re structure (see above annual report for example)
conference call transcripts would be useful, but ive only found one in the past

Originally Posted by FlyerEC (Post 18086371)
Some properties are waiting for it to be finalized before additional facilities can be added .. e.g. some need proper ' spa ' or gym, etc

good info. if thats the only thing DLF is doing, theyre certainly good owner for aman.

Biography
Amanjunkie '89
:cool: :D

FlyerEC, would you consider temporarily enabling private messaging?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/profi...do=editoptions

FlyerEC Feb 26, 2012 3:59 pm


Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 18086332)
its just a question of whether they are willing to accept the offers they get...
my last post http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18014678-post64.html


Originally Posted by grumbler (Post 18086312)
Not to crash any Aman reveries, but any news about DLF's supposed sale of the chain ?

DLF has somewhat stalled it as you can gather from the above, even AZ is being ' patient ' - very frustrating for many.
Some properties are waiting for it to be finalized before additional facilities can be added .. e.g. some need proper ' spa ' or gym, etc

vuittonsofstyle Feb 27, 2012 10:24 am


Originally Posted by grumbler (Post 18086312)
Not to crash any Aman reveries, but any news about DLF's supposed sale of the chain ?

Delayed until 2013.

Kagehitokiri Feb 27, 2012 10:39 am


Originally Posted by vuittonsofstyle (Post 18090361)
Delayed until 2013.

Q3 of their FY2011-2012 ("FY12") just had results released
so '2013' quarters (FY "2012-2013" and "by 2013") begin in apr, not next jan
its now Q4 and they say "next quarter, and therefore the next financial year"

previously >
http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...uarter&ct=clnk

NOV 25
Asked about the company’s plans to sell its hospitality venture Aman Resorts, Dr Singh said: “We are likely to close the deal by next quarter. We have got bids from many players and all of them are international firms.”
that was in Q3 that he said that

so at least for this latest delay, its just 1 quarter, from Q4 > Q1


Originally Posted by jonquil (Post 18096801)
hello to everyone..
if anyone is considering a mediterranean vacation in spring or summer i must suggest Amanruya on Agean cost of Turkey which The Times magazine selected as "best for style" on its best Mediterranean beach resorts.
i had the chance to visit it once its one of the most spectacular hotels i have been to. the resort combines luxury, style and tranquillity so well that after getting there you feel as if you are in a whole different world...
the architecture is both breathtaking and unpredenting, its the perfect fit of modern and tradition...
as The Times stated, every detail in the resort gives the guest the feeling of comfort. the spacious lobbies and restaurants creates the feeling of luxury in a very serene way. i must say that the Istanbul based arhcitects, Emine&Mehmet Ogun found the perfect balance between all these elements and created an oasis of peace.
Gabriel Lousada, GM of the resort has done a wonderful job also..
service is great and every employee is attending and very humble, food is magnificent you can taste very nice&delicate combinations of local food and other selections of world cuisine.
so if one values style, serenity, comfort & luxury Amanruya is among the best choices avaible..

http://twitter.com/#!/Gallivanters/s...57076113207296
http://www.thehindu.com/life-and-sty...cle2931964.ece
fashion show at aman delhi

Kagehitokiri Feb 28, 2012 12:16 pm

question #1 >

few amans have seasonal rates
(number = number of seasons)
4 - yara, gani
2 - puri, pulo, bagh, new delhi

of those 6, isnt it only 2 that are owned by aman - puri and bagh?
just thought about that, in context of what aman makes over NYE for example

question #2 >


Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 18071541)

Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 18058173)
http://www.amanresorts.com/amannewdelhi/rates.aspx
Lodhi Suite and Lodhi Pool Suite accommodation categories are subject to availability. Prices are available on request.

at aman new delhi >

Originally Posted by lucky9876coins
only a total of 39 rooms

that excludes the 28 lodhi (67 total)

Originally Posted by lucky9876coins
views from the room were of the Aman as well as adjacent condos
http://boardingarea.com/blogs/onemil.../IMG_51381.jpg

lodhi building shown?


grumbler Feb 29, 2012 9:13 am


Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 18086332)
its just a question of whether they are willing to accept the offers they get..
speaking of which, if acquisition did indeed include $200mm debt, that might be a problem
DLF re debt - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17423104-post607.html
and actually, did the debt "force" aman to sell in the first place..
my last post http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/18014678-post64.html
did anyone take a look at the 2009 annual report i linked here? http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17423090-post28.html
http://articles.economictimes.indiat...an-resorts-dlf >

im assuming for this quarter, but no idea re structure (see above annual report for example)
conference call transcripts would be useful, but ive only found one in the past

good info. if thats the only thing DLF is doing, theyre certainly good owner for aman.

:cool: :D

FlyerEC, would you consider temporarily enabling private messaging?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/profi...do=editoptions

Time will tell - but this is a precarious time to own an ultraluxe chain of properties which are not really characterized by efficiencies. This is off topic (but on Indian chains), but I am pretty sure that if you are an Oberoi fan, you would also be concerned about what will happen as Reliance continues to increase its stake in the chain. At least Taj will continue its quirky path forward.

Kagehitokiri Feb 29, 2012 11:22 am


Originally Posted by grumbler (Post 18103517)
not really characterized by efficiencies

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17423090-post28.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/13647791-post110.html

1999 - revenue $50MM / edit $15MM / debt = ? / 10 properties (minus 3)
2000 - revenue $61MM / ebit $30MM / debt = ? / 11 properties (minus 3)

vs


Originally Posted by jja34-1 (Post 2677078)
Not sure how they manage to do it in the current market(possibly the very high rates and very dedicated following), but their economics are terrific. I know someone who has access to their balance sheet and let's just say this person is laughing all the way to the bank.

[This message has been edited by jja34-1 (edited 08-04-2003).]


Originally Posted by grumbler (Post 18103517)
Oberoi...Reliance continues to increase its stake

14.80% reliance - i see JV and loan but no more equity?
14.98% ITC - isnt this the scary thing? they are a major long time starwood partner


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