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Kagehitokiri Dec 31, 2011 7:37 pm

Amanresorts Thread 2012 (Started by Amanjunkie)
 
previously (descending) >
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...0-onwards.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...nd-2009-a.html

upcoming aman/ghm >
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...12-thread.html

report archive >
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...l#post19108351

Kagehitokiri Dec 31, 2011 7:41 pm


Originally Posted by blueline7 (Post 16681394)
I will be focusing a little more on my attempt to unravel the mystery of Aman Resorts. Part of my mission was to find out, 'Why all the fuss about Aman', and I did in fact get to the bottom of this question.


Originally Posted by blueline7 (Post 16681451)
Upon arrival, I was met after alighting from the Jetbridge, by a private arrival service representative contracted by Amandari, who guided me effortlessly through all the various immigration and security queues in a somewhat chaotic environment. This was an invaluable service and saved a lot of time and a big headache upon arrival. The airport was very, very busy, and being able to jump just about every queue was a god-send. The arrival service is included by Aman, and makes selecting Aman a very good choice, although I understand some arrival services are available for the general public as well. Arrival service in Bali is a must in my opinion.

The arrival service representative assisted me in collecting my luggage, and then passed me along to a white clad Amandari employee who greeted me and assisted me in the rest of the way to the waiting Amandari vehicle. The vehicle was not a luxury vehicle, but was a comfortable and clean mini van, and I was offered a cold cloth, a cold bottle of water, and some peanut snacks for the hour or so drive to Amandari, which is located in Ubud, to the north of the airport. The extremely pleasant and efficient arrival made me feel welcome and extraordinarily well taken care of, and the pleasant drive with a very helpful driver who explained many things about Bali along the way, was an extraordinary way to arrive. It was an appropriate introduction to Aman Resorts.

continued here - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-...l#post16681455
and discussion here - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...ip-report.html

Kagehitokiri Jan 2, 2012 9:01 am


Originally Posted by paul2 (Post 17721873)
It looks like 2012 will be starting positively for Amanresorts with confirmation that Adrian Zecha is on the Qatari board :

http://www.qnhc.com/index.php?option...=64&Itemid=176

bizarre to see it leak that way, and again no coverage.

they own 2 RC and 7 other properties, not including upcoming tangier JV.

behuman Jan 3, 2012 5:08 am

A "good" start for Aman - I don't think so
 

Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 17723798)
bizarre to see it leak that way, and again no coverage.

they own 2 RC and 7 other properties, not including upcoming tangier JV.

When I see Adrian Zecha messing with these people http://www.qnhc.com/index.php?option...=64&Itemid=176 I wonder if I will still be a guest of any Aman should they take over the whole company which we all know is for sale.

The reasons as below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/c...tar?id=1011226

What a wonderful place for a holiday !

aesla11 Jan 3, 2012 10:33 am


Originally Posted by behuman (Post 17736619)
When I see Adrian Zecha messing with these people http://www.qnhc.com/index.php?option...=64&Itemid=176 I wonder if I will still be a guest of any Aman should they take over the whole company which we all know is for sale.

The reasons as below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/c...tar?id=1011226

What a wonderful place for a holiday !

Unfortunately, most of the Muslim world has become this way. Why don't we stop trading with Qataris, Bahrainis, Saudis,....? What must be said however is that these guys do have good taste and should keep up Aman resorts in high standards.

damaxer91 Jan 3, 2012 11:44 am

Check this out: http://blogs.wsj.com/dealjournalindi...-group-report/

Doesn't look like good news...

paul2 Jan 3, 2012 11:56 am


Originally Posted by damaxer91 (Post 17738893)
Check this out: http://blogs.wsj.com/dealjournalindi...-group-report/

Doesn't look like good news...

I can't keep up! Gallivanters tweeted the same link today.
http://twitter.com/#!/Gallivanters/s...58139154366465

Kagehitokiri Jan 3, 2012 12:09 pm

if they are selling to china, why is zecha on qatar board?

this is the problem with no official comment.

Kagehitokiri Jan 3, 2012 5:00 pm

http://blogs.wsj.com/dealjournalindi...-group-report/


DLF Ltd. is close to finalizing a deal to sell its hospitality business to China’s HNA Group, the Financial Express newspaper reported Tuesday, citing sources it didn’t name.

The real estate company will sell Aman Resorts for around 24 billion rupees ($452 million) in a deal which will be finalized by Jan. 15, the report said.
at least if this is accurate, we will have an answer on the 15th...

Shangri-La Jan 3, 2012 7:56 pm


Originally Posted by aesla11 (Post 17738390)
Unfortunately, most of the Muslim world has become this way. Why don't we stop trading with Qataris, Bahrainis, Saudis,....? What must be said however is that these guys do have good taste and should keep up Aman resorts in high standards.

Good taste???????????????

behuman Jan 4, 2012 9:10 am


Originally Posted by aesla11 (Post 17738390)
Why don't we stop trading with Qataris, Bahrainis, Saudis,....? What must be said however is that these guys do have good taste and should keep up Aman resorts in high standards.

We should indeed (and I do it already) especially if we disapprove their interpretation of democracy, human rights, freedom of religion etc....

Regarding their taste I think we can not generalize. There are people with "good" taste everywhere and it depends also on the definition of what is "good".

mike_la_jolla Jan 4, 2012 10:13 am

Anybody want a size small Amanjunkie shirt?
 
It doesn't fit me and my GF won't wear it. New and never worn. This was a gift from Amanpulo. Parrot not included. PM me if interested.
http://www.dinigroup.com/~mdini/aman...-06-50_799.jpg

mrakant Jan 5, 2012 9:46 am

Another good Resort bites dust!
 
China HNA has a poor track record and soon you will see bus loads at resorts to maintain profitability. I doubt any good managers will stay........deal is on track and sadly it was first mistake to sell to DLF and now nail in coffin!

behuman Jan 5, 2012 10:18 am

Aman - not forever and not the only
 

Originally Posted by mrakant (Post 17753083)
China HNA has a poor track record and soon you will see bus loads at resorts to maintain profitability. I doubt any good managers will stay........deal is on track and sadly it was first mistake to sell to DLF and now nail in coffin!

Nothing is forever and everything comes to an end. Other properties, hopefully small independent ones, will see the day. And while we will regret Aman there will be new things to explore.

I look back at many great Aman experiences and will enjoy them as long as it lasts.

Of course I hoped LVMH or even Starwoods (at least they are western and have a track record with their "luxury collection" including places like the Gritti in Venice) would have taken over. Now we have the integrists or the "spaghetti" communists options.

Kagehitokiri Jan 7, 2012 3:01 pm

http://globalblackbook.com/?p=7615

I once heard a story about an investor who wanted to build an Aman Resort. He invited Aman's founder, Adrian Zecha to see the location, and when Adrian stood on the land and pointed saying "Over there would be perfect", the investor looked at him and said, "But I don't own that piece." Adrian apparently said "That's too bad, call me back when you do" and left. The investor did and an Aman property now sits perfectly where it was always meant to be.
if true, amangani?

http://www.hotelnewsnow.com/Articles...se-Europe-news
"HNA calls off €431.6m deal with NH Hoteles"
(aman rumored €357.8m)


Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 17723798)
they own 2 RC and 7 other properties, not including upcoming tangier JV.

qatar owns raffles singapore and paris (and 40% of management company)
not sure how to easily see what else they own

back in 2007 >

Originally Posted by opxzaw (Post 8793606)
What I understand from our conversations with Sean [Flakelar @ jiwo] is that Silverlink was sold but that Zecha still controls the management company. He told us that Zecha is now only interested in the management contracts



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