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Kagehitokiri Dec 31, 2011 7:37 pm

Amanresorts Thread 2012 (Started by Amanjunkie)
 
previously (descending) >
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...0-onwards.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...nd-2009-a.html

upcoming aman/ghm >
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...12-thread.html

report archive >
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...l#post19108351

Kagehitokiri Dec 31, 2011 7:41 pm


Originally Posted by blueline7 (Post 16681394)
I will be focusing a little more on my attempt to unravel the mystery of Aman Resorts. Part of my mission was to find out, 'Why all the fuss about Aman', and I did in fact get to the bottom of this question.


Originally Posted by blueline7 (Post 16681451)
Upon arrival, I was met after alighting from the Jetbridge, by a private arrival service representative contracted by Amandari, who guided me effortlessly through all the various immigration and security queues in a somewhat chaotic environment. This was an invaluable service and saved a lot of time and a big headache upon arrival. The airport was very, very busy, and being able to jump just about every queue was a god-send. The arrival service is included by Aman, and makes selecting Aman a very good choice, although I understand some arrival services are available for the general public as well. Arrival service in Bali is a must in my opinion.

The arrival service representative assisted me in collecting my luggage, and then passed me along to a white clad Amandari employee who greeted me and assisted me in the rest of the way to the waiting Amandari vehicle. The vehicle was not a luxury vehicle, but was a comfortable and clean mini van, and I was offered a cold cloth, a cold bottle of water, and some peanut snacks for the hour or so drive to Amandari, which is located in Ubud, to the north of the airport. The extremely pleasant and efficient arrival made me feel welcome and extraordinarily well taken care of, and the pleasant drive with a very helpful driver who explained many things about Bali along the way, was an extraordinary way to arrive. It was an appropriate introduction to Aman Resorts.

continued here - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/trip-...l#post16681455
and discussion here - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...ip-report.html

Kagehitokiri Jan 2, 2012 9:01 am


Originally Posted by paul2 (Post 17721873)
It looks like 2012 will be starting positively for Amanresorts with confirmation that Adrian Zecha is on the Qatari board :

http://www.qnhc.com/index.php?option...=64&Itemid=176

bizarre to see it leak that way, and again no coverage.

they own 2 RC and 7 other properties, not including upcoming tangier JV.

behuman Jan 3, 2012 5:08 am

A "good" start for Aman - I don't think so
 

Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 17723798)
bizarre to see it leak that way, and again no coverage.

they own 2 RC and 7 other properties, not including upcoming tangier JV.

When I see Adrian Zecha messing with these people http://www.qnhc.com/index.php?option...=64&Itemid=176 I wonder if I will still be a guest of any Aman should they take over the whole company which we all know is for sale.

The reasons as below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/c...tar?id=1011226

What a wonderful place for a holiday !

aesla11 Jan 3, 2012 10:33 am


Originally Posted by behuman (Post 17736619)
When I see Adrian Zecha messing with these people http://www.qnhc.com/index.php?option...=64&Itemid=176 I wonder if I will still be a guest of any Aman should they take over the whole company which we all know is for sale.

The reasons as below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Qatar

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/c...tar?id=1011226

What a wonderful place for a holiday !

Unfortunately, most of the Muslim world has become this way. Why don't we stop trading with Qataris, Bahrainis, Saudis,....? What must be said however is that these guys do have good taste and should keep up Aman resorts in high standards.

damaxer91 Jan 3, 2012 11:44 am

Check this out: http://blogs.wsj.com/dealjournalindi...-group-report/

Doesn't look like good news...

paul2 Jan 3, 2012 11:56 am


Originally Posted by damaxer91 (Post 17738893)
Check this out: http://blogs.wsj.com/dealjournalindi...-group-report/

Doesn't look like good news...

I can't keep up! Gallivanters tweeted the same link today.
http://twitter.com/#!/Gallivanters/s...58139154366465

Kagehitokiri Jan 3, 2012 12:09 pm

if they are selling to china, why is zecha on qatar board?

this is the problem with no official comment.

Kagehitokiri Jan 3, 2012 5:00 pm

http://blogs.wsj.com/dealjournalindi...-group-report/


DLF Ltd. is close to finalizing a deal to sell its hospitality business to China’s HNA Group, the Financial Express newspaper reported Tuesday, citing sources it didn’t name.

The real estate company will sell Aman Resorts for around 24 billion rupees ($452 million) in a deal which will be finalized by Jan. 15, the report said.
at least if this is accurate, we will have an answer on the 15th...

Shangri-La Jan 3, 2012 7:56 pm


Originally Posted by aesla11 (Post 17738390)
Unfortunately, most of the Muslim world has become this way. Why don't we stop trading with Qataris, Bahrainis, Saudis,....? What must be said however is that these guys do have good taste and should keep up Aman resorts in high standards.

Good taste???????????????

behuman Jan 4, 2012 9:10 am


Originally Posted by aesla11 (Post 17738390)
Why don't we stop trading with Qataris, Bahrainis, Saudis,....? What must be said however is that these guys do have good taste and should keep up Aman resorts in high standards.

We should indeed (and I do it already) especially if we disapprove their interpretation of democracy, human rights, freedom of religion etc....

Regarding their taste I think we can not generalize. There are people with "good" taste everywhere and it depends also on the definition of what is "good".

mike_la_jolla Jan 4, 2012 10:13 am

Anybody want a size small Amanjunkie shirt?
 
It doesn't fit me and my GF won't wear it. New and never worn. This was a gift from Amanpulo. Parrot not included. PM me if interested.
http://www.dinigroup.com/~mdini/aman...-06-50_799.jpg

mrakant Jan 5, 2012 9:46 am

Another good Resort bites dust!
 
China HNA has a poor track record and soon you will see bus loads at resorts to maintain profitability. I doubt any good managers will stay........deal is on track and sadly it was first mistake to sell to DLF and now nail in coffin!

behuman Jan 5, 2012 10:18 am

Aman - not forever and not the only
 

Originally Posted by mrakant (Post 17753083)
China HNA has a poor track record and soon you will see bus loads at resorts to maintain profitability. I doubt any good managers will stay........deal is on track and sadly it was first mistake to sell to DLF and now nail in coffin!

Nothing is forever and everything comes to an end. Other properties, hopefully small independent ones, will see the day. And while we will regret Aman there will be new things to explore.

I look back at many great Aman experiences and will enjoy them as long as it lasts.

Of course I hoped LVMH or even Starwoods (at least they are western and have a track record with their "luxury collection" including places like the Gritti in Venice) would have taken over. Now we have the integrists or the "spaghetti" communists options.

Kagehitokiri Jan 7, 2012 3:01 pm

http://globalblackbook.com/?p=7615

I once heard a story about an investor who wanted to build an Aman Resort. He invited Aman's founder, Adrian Zecha to see the location, and when Adrian stood on the land and pointed saying "Over there would be perfect", the investor looked at him and said, "But I don't own that piece." Adrian apparently said "That's too bad, call me back when you do" and left. The investor did and an Aman property now sits perfectly where it was always meant to be.
if true, amangani?

http://www.hotelnewsnow.com/Articles...se-Europe-news
"HNA calls off €431.6m deal with NH Hoteles"
(aman rumored €357.8m)


Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 17723798)
they own 2 RC and 7 other properties, not including upcoming tangier JV.

qatar owns raffles singapore and paris (and 40% of management company)
not sure how to easily see what else they own

back in 2007 >

Originally Posted by opxzaw (Post 8793606)
What I understand from our conversations with Sean [Flakelar @ jiwo] is that Silverlink was sold but that Zecha still controls the management company. He told us that Zecha is now only interested in the management contracts


FlyingDoctorwu Jan 12, 2012 6:36 pm

Amanheli
 
Wife wants to go to Greece in October.. any news on when this property might possibly open?

FDW

deer Jan 13, 2012 2:31 am


Originally Posted by FlyingDoctorwu (Post 17803687)
Wife wants to go to Greece in October.. any news on when this property might possibly open?

For planned and new Amanresorts please always check or use this thread:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/luxur...12-thread.html
Here you find the answer to your question - on top of the threadstarter!

Ericka Jan 13, 2012 7:33 am

HNA / China abandons bid after no response.....
http://blogs.wsj.com/dealjournalindi...n-amanresorts/

Kagehitokiri Jan 13, 2012 8:02 am

its nice that HNA has gone on the record twice, but then, with no other confirmation, what are we to interpret?


“in the valid period”

“HNA Group does not wish to continue participating in the bidding process,”
keep in mind the latest "reports" were that the sale to HNA was confirmed and closing in 2 days.

Kagehitokiri Jan 14, 2012 10:15 am

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/cndy/20...t_14444763.htm

"HNA Group participated in the bidding. But we did not receive any feedback information for the bid result in the period of validity. HNA Group has given up on the project," a spokeswoman told Reuters.
http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wir...es_650033.html

A DLF spokesman in New Delhi denied the deal was on hold. "We do not comment on market speculation during the course of negotiations with prospective bidders," the spokesman said.

A spokesman for the diversified Sahara Group, which bought London's Grosvenor House hotel from the Royal Bank of Scotland for 470 million pounds in 2010, said the group was in discussions for the luxury hotel chain a few months earlier. "Probably from then no discussion is there and Sahara is not much interested in this proposal," the spokesman said.
http://www.dlf.in/dlf/wcm/connect/11...mod=1806633937

Hospitality 4 Bids received in the second round, currently being evaluated and negotiated
so HNA and sahara
and 2 comments from DLF

Ericka Jan 14, 2012 10:43 am

Other articles have speculated that all the bids have been coming in low.

vuittonsofstyle Jan 15, 2012 8:47 am


Originally Posted by FlyingDoctorwu (Post 17803687)
Wife wants to go to Greece in October.. any news on when this property might possibly open?

FDW

Soft opening around end May beginning June.

A380 Flyer Jan 15, 2012 12:01 pm

In Yogyakarta in April by myself, really want to spend a few nights (or at least 2) at Amanjiwo. How is Amanjiwo for solo travellers?

The service is not necessarily important to me...I won't spend much time in the hotel (Borobudur and Prambanan being my main tours) and being a solo traveller I am not going to spend time in restuarants either.

But how many single travellers do you get normally at Aman resorts? Are they treated like green aliens?

FlyerEC Jan 15, 2012 4:43 pm

Solo in Aman , Amankila ..
 

Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 17818527)
In Yogyakarta in April by myself, really want to spend a few nights (or at least 2) at Amanjiwo. How is Amanjiwo for solo travellers?

The service is not necessarily important to me...I won't spend much time in the hotel (Borobudur and Prambanan being my main tours) and being a solo traveller I am not going to spend time in restuarants either.

But how many single travellers do you get normally at Aman resorts? Are they treated like green aliens?

You'll be fine !! Mark & team will take excellent care of you.
Go for it, you'll have a great time.

I've been at some Amans by myself, & it's quite wonderful .. Peaceful surroundings , decent food..
Have met others enjoying time on own too.
Enjoying beautiful sunrises/ sunsets now at Amankila - this time with spouse.
Splendid private beach dinner/ bonfire again - always love the experience whether one catches the sunset or not.
Amazingly only a ferry in view . If you in the tiered pools, only a couple of fishing sampans seen :)

Hubertus Jan 16, 2012 9:58 am

Ciao guys,
does anyone know if Gary Tyson is still the GM of Amantaka?
Thanks for your help.
H.

FlyerEC Jan 16, 2012 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by Hubertus (Post 17823415)
Ciao guys,
does anyone know if Gary Tyson is still the GM of Amantaka?
Thanks for your help.
H.

Yes, seeing him in a couple of weeks.

But changes soon at Amanwana & Aman SS.

paul2 Jan 16, 2012 1:43 pm


Originally Posted by FlyerEC (Post 17824256)
But changes soon at Amanwana & Aman SS.

Hi FlyerEC, glad to hear you're enjoying Amankila and the other resorts.

Where is Henry off to?
Thanks.

FlyerEC Jan 16, 2012 5:00 pm


Originally Posted by Hubertus (Post 17823415)
Ciao guys,
does anyone know if Gary Tyson is still the GM of Amantaka?
Thanks for your help.
H.


Originally Posted by paul2 (Post 17824838)
Hi FlyerEC, glad to hear you're enjoying Amankila and the other resorts.

Where is Henry off to?
Thanks.

Catch with with Gary at Amantaka soon.

Kevin B is off to Aman SS & Livio to Wana :)
Now , Henry - slipped my mind - will post later , better catch up on sleep.

FlyerEC Jan 16, 2012 7:19 pm


Originally Posted by FlyerEC (Post 17825975)
Catch with with Gary at Amantaka soon.

Kevin B is off to Aman SS & Livio to Wana :)
Now , Henry - slipped my mind - will post later , better catch up on sleep.

Oh yes, H & C are off to Greece !!

Hubertus Jan 17, 2012 6:32 am


Originally Posted by FlyerEC (Post 17824256)
Yes, seeing him in a couple of weeks.

But changes soon at Amanwana & Aman SS.

Thank you!

FlyingDoctorwu Jan 17, 2012 7:15 am


Originally Posted by vuittonsofstyle (Post 17817546)
Soft opening around end May beginning June.

thanks! can't wait to see more details of the resort.

FDW

Kagehitokiri Jan 17, 2012 8:26 am


Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 17777334)
I am travelling solo sometime in 2012 to south east asia...

Flying in from LHR, I would preferrably like to arrive at SIN, stay a few nights and splurge at Marina Bay Sands, or Capella, and then start my budget tour.

...Malaysia doesn't appeal to me much, as a budget traveller. Of course, I would love to visit The Datai but not going to happen.


Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 17838825)
Is it possible to visit Aman properties as a guest and walk around the resort with a video camera filming the property and its amenities? Maybe get a guided tour by a member of staff?

If I was a paying guest, I could do this easily. But do I need to be a paying guest? I need the material for my YouTube channel.

For example, some larger resorts have restuarants and boutique shops which the public can come and explore (and basically have access to everything except the rooms), but I am not sure how this works with something as exclusive as Aman.


Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 17839511)
Yes, very serious. I aim to travel the world and film all the best luxury hotel resorts and upload them to my YouTube account. Why would I not be serious?

If I can do this without actually paying then all the better.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to visit Aman and stay at their resorts, but if I am in Phuket and wanted to use Amanpuri's restuarant, then why not film the resort before and after I eat?


Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 17924588)
I tried to book Amanjiwo in April, and the website told me no vacancies. I then emailed concierge, and he replied to say there were vacancies. Then I checked on website again, and there were no vacancies. :rolleyes:

So now I chose Sheraton Mustika. Aman's problem, not mine. Think of the money I save.


Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 18019876)
I don't understand where people get all their money from on this forum.

If you are all millionnaires then you wouldn't be wasting time on forums on the net, you'd probably get your butler to do it for you.

I've just booked 3 nights in KL - at the Furama Bukit Bintang. My budget wouldn't stretch to anything more expensive, not even Traders. :(

Guess I'm in the wrong job. :td:


Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 18080827)
Staying at the Puding Shangri-La for 1 night in May. I have not been to Shanghai before, but was sold on this property long ago.

and >
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/17726708-post7.html

Kagehitokiri Jan 17, 2012 8:30 am


Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 17818527)
The service is not necessarily important to me...I won't spend much time in the hotel (Borobudur and Prambanan being my main tours) and being a solo traveller I am not going to spend time in restuarants either.

But how many single travellers do you get normally at Aman resorts? Are they treated like green aliens?


Originally Posted by FlyerEC (Post 17819860)
I've been at some Amans by myself, & it's quite wonderful...Have met others enjoying time on own too.

thanks FlyerEC for second/third reply :eek:

i knew i was having deja vu... from october 28 >

Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 17349278)
I am thinking of making a first ever trip to an Aman Resort in 2012, but I would be going solo on this occasion.

I have stayed at other luxury hotels on my own, such as Marina Bay Sands (don't laugh), Madinat Jumeirah Al Qasr, MO Dhara Dhevi, and Shangri-La's Boracay Resort.

Please be honest with me, how strange is it to go to an Aman Resort on your own?


Kagehitokiri Jan 17, 2012 8:37 am


Originally Posted by blueline7 (Post 17349304)
There is not the slightest reason to be concerned


Originally Posted by FlyerEC (Post 17349536)
You'll be fine. Have done it often enough


Originally Posted by instyleprincess (Post 17349851)
You'll be just fine going on your own


Originally Posted by MegatopLover (Post 17350201)
I know someone who frequented Amandari on her own


Originally Posted by vuittonsofstyle (Post 17350517)
Over the years I have met loads of single guests at Amans...I have only done this once


Originally Posted by zigzag (Post 17352825)
I've done Amanjiwo on my own and felt very comfortable


Originally Posted by FlyerEC (Post 17352907)
Aman is lovely to be at either alone...I've also met some travelling alone.

thanks for responses, and thanks again blueline7 for the absolutely incredible report

A380 Flyer Jan 17, 2012 9:43 am


Originally Posted by Kagehitokiri (Post 17829426)
thanks FlyerEC for third reply :eek:

i knew i was having deja vu... from october 28 >

If you aren't going to add anything to the discussion then please do not destroy others' threads with inane quoting.

Flagged.

Musken Jan 17, 2012 9:50 am


Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 17829949)
If you aren't going to add anything to the discussion then please do not destroy others' threads with inane quoting.

Flagged.

I think he was just reminding you that you actually asked the same question before and that you got lots of great answers at that point in time. Or was someone else using your nickname back then? :eek:

paul2 Jan 17, 2012 2:06 pm


Originally Posted by FlyerEC (Post 17826666)
Oh yes, H & C are off to Greece !!

Thanks for that FlyerEC and all of your updates.Enjoy the rest of your trip.

A380 Flyer Jan 18, 2012 1:04 pm

Is it possible to visit Aman properties as a guest and walk around the resort with a video camera filming the property and its amenities? Maybe get a guided tour by a member of staff?

If I was a paying guest, I could do this easily. But do I need to be a paying guest? I need the material for my YouTube channel.

For example, some larger resorts have restuarants and boutique shops which the public can come and explore (and basically have access to everything except the rooms), but I am not sure how this works with something as exclusive as Aman.

LarkSFO Jan 18, 2012 1:50 pm


Originally Posted by A380 Flyer (Post 17838825)
Is it possible to visit Aman properties as a guest and walk around the resort with a video camera filming the property and its amenities? Maybe get a guided tour by a member of staff?

If I was a paying guest, I could do this easily. But do I need to be a paying guest? I need the material for my YouTube channel.

For example, some larger resorts have restuarants and boutique shops which the public can come and explore (and basically have access to everything except the rooms), but I am not sure how this works with something as exclusive as Aman.

Are you serious?

A380 Flyer Jan 18, 2012 2:28 pm


Originally Posted by LarkSFO (Post 17839241)
Are you serious?

Yes, very serious. I aim to travel the world and film all the best luxury hotel resorts and upload them to my YouTube account. Why would I not be serious?

If I can do this without actually paying then all the better.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to visit Aman and stay at their resorts, but if I am in Phuket and wanted to use Amanpuri's restuarant, then why not film the resort before and after I eat?


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