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Old Jun 5, 2014, 1:13 pm
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Welcome to the FRA connection thread! If you are new to FRA or this thread, please read the first post where you will find a summary of all pertinent information before asking more specific questions.

Current MCT in FRA connecting to/from LH:

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 DMLH/FRA/LH/17MAY22
 FRA LH TO LH
 FRA-FRA      FROM          -             TO             D/D  D/I  I/D  I/I
 CC FLTN-FLTR ORGN EQP TM CS-CC FLTN-FLTR DEST EQP TM CS HHMM HHMM HHMM HHMM
 LH                BUS      -                            ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -                  TRN       0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH           BR            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           CA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           CN            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           EG            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           ET            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           IN            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           JP            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           QA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           SG            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           TH            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           US            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           ZA            -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -             US             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           KJR           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           KWQ           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QDU           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QKL           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           QKU           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           ZWS           -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           KLT  BUS      -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH           SDA  BUS      -                            ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH 0400-0799               -                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                        Y-                  TRN       0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KJR          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KWQ          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QDU          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QKL          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           QKU          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           ZWS          Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           KLT  BUS     Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH           SDA  BUS     Y-                            0100 ---- ---- ----
 LH                       CA-                            ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                       AC-                  TRN       ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH           PL          LO-                            ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH           PL          LO-             SC             ---- ---- ---- 0100
 TRN      -LH                          ---- 0100 0100 0100
 -LH           BR             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           CA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           CN             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           EG             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           ET             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           IN             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           JP             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           QA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           SG             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           TH             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           US             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           ZA             ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 -LH           TLV            ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 BUS      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 TRN      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 TRS      -LH           TLV            ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 BUS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0115 ---- 0115
 -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH                          0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH                BUS       0100 0100 0100 0100
 LH                TRN      -LH                BUS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                TRS      -LH                BUS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                BUS      -LH                TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH                BUS      -LH                TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   BUS      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH                          ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   BUS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   TRN       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                         -LH           SC   TRS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH           SC   TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH           SC   TRN        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRN      -LH           SC   TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH           SC   TRS        INV  INV  INV  INV
 LH           XER  BUS      -LH           SC             ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH           TLV            ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                BUS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                TRN       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH 0400-0799               -LH                TRS       ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                BUS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                TRN      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                TRS      -LH 0400-0799                ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 SG             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 US             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC            -LH 0400-0799 ZA             ---- 0045 ---- 0045
 LH           SC   TRS      -LH 0400-0799 US             ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH                BUS      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                BUS      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRN      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                TRS      -LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      BUS       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRN       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRS       ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH                        Y-LH                BUS       ---- 0100 ---- ----
 LH                       AC-LH                TRN       ---- ---- 0200 ----
 LH           US          UA-LH                          ---- ---- 0100 0100
 LH                       UA-LH           BY             ---- ---- ----  INV
 LH                       EW-LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       EW-LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0780-0780 NKG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0720-0720 PEK            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0728-0728 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0732-0732 PVG            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0720-0720 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0782-0782 SHE            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH                       SN-LH 0786-0786 TAO            ---- ---- ---- 0800
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      BUS     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRN     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 LH 0400-0799               -LH 0001-3799      TRS     Y ---- ---- 0100 ----
 -LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0100
 -LH                       AI ---- 0115 ---- 0115
 -LH                       XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130
 -LH           PL          LO ---- 0100 ---- ----
 -LH           BR          OS ---- 0100 ---- ----
 SC            -LH           PL          LO ---- ---- ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH                       UA ---- 0100 ---- 0100
 LH                         -LH                       XQ ---- 0130 ---- 0130
 LH                BUS      -LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                TRN      -LH                       AC ---- 0200 ---- 0200
 LH                TRN      -LH                       UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           BY            -LH                       UA ---- ---- ----  INV
 LH           QDU           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           QKL           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH           ZWS           -LH           US          UA ---- 0130 ---- ----
 LH                       LG-LH                       AC ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                       AC-LH                       LG ---- ---- ---- 0200
 LH                       AC-LH           AT          OS ---- ---- ---- 0100
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Old Apr 12, 2015, 10:05 pm
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Newbie Runner, those are, in fact, the flights. Walking is a bit difficult so maybe I can take a small shuttle.
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Old Apr 15, 2015, 6:34 am
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I have read so many posts and articles but I am still confused. I hold an indian passport and travelling from Toronto to Delhi. I am taking AC 876 from Toronto to Frankfurt and then AI 120 from Frankfurt to Delhi. How to make this transit? Which gate to which gate? Both the flights are booked on the same ticket.
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Old Apr 15, 2015, 12:45 pm
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Originally Posted by readygetsetgo
I have read so many posts and articles but I am still confused. I hold an indian passport and travelling from Toronto to Delhi. I am taking AC 876 from Toronto to Frankfurt and then AI 120 from Frankfurt to Delhi. How to make this transit? Which gate to which gate? Both the flights are booked on the same ticket.
AC flights usually arrive at a B gate. AI flights usually depart from a B gate. That's the good news.

From your post in another thread it looks like your country of residence is India and you hold a Canadian visa. According to this website you are eligible for TWOV (Transit Without Visa) in FRA provided you don't leave the transit area. (See below)

However, a layover of 10 hours is a long time unless you are travelling in Business and have lounge access. There is an area with reclining chairs but as far as I know it is in the arrival area (before you go through transfer security) between B and C concourses so you'll have to follow the signs as if you are going to a C gate. Once you are through security into the departure area there is a small area with reclining chairs near gate B43. Unfortunately there is no paid lounge in the transit area.

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Transit Germany (DE) /Destination India (IN)
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PASSPORT & VISA INFORMATION: TRANSIT

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INFORMATION: NORMAL PASSPORTS

TWOV (Transit Without Visa):
Visa required, except for Nationals of India holding onward
tickets in transit For details, click here through Cologne/Bonn (CGN),
Frankfurt (FRA), Munich (MUC), Hamburg (HAM), Dusseldorf (DUS)
or Berlin Tegel (TXL) **AND** meeting one of the following
conditions:

- holding a valid visa issued by Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia,
Cyprus, Ireland (Rep.), Japan, Romania, USA or United
Kingdom;
- returning from Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Cyprus, Ireland
(Rep.), Japan, Romania, USA or United Kingdom after having
used the visa (visa may be expired, expires and/or max.
number of entries have been used).
- For transit rules in each location: For details, click here
- WARNING: TWOV is not possible when arriving from a
non-Schengen Member State AND departing to a Schengen Member
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Old Apr 15, 2015, 12:58 pm
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
However, a layover of 10 hours is a long time unless you are travelling in Business and have lounge access.
Unless or even if?
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Old Apr 15, 2015, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by mmff
Unless or even if?
I agree "even if" but without a Schengen visa the OP does not have any choice.
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Old Apr 15, 2015, 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by Safti
Newbie Runner, those are, in fact, the flights. Walking is a bit difficult so maybe I can take a small shuttle.
Even with the shuttle (Skyline train) it will be a long walk from the stop for B/C to C13. Depending on the level of mobility problem you may wish to request assistance in advance.

http://www.frankfurt-airport.com/con....file/file.pdf
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Old Apr 17, 2015, 1:18 am
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Potential update for the security screening post.

Arrived: Z20 (from USA, Non-Schen zone) at 08:20
Departed: B58 (to UK, Non-Schen zone)
Route: To A gates, through passport control (into Germany), to B gates through tunnel, through passport control (out of Germany), into B Non-Schen zone.
Security: None
Passports: Both in and out of Germany. Getting into Germany at A gates was very fast. Leaving Germany at B gates was a nightmare.
Note: Strongly recommend you only do this if you're an EU passport holder with a Biometric passport.
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Old Apr 18, 2015, 6:38 am
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Originally Posted by ani90
Is this connection doable at FRA or not worth the bother? Missing connection will mean a night in FRA


Flight from: Nice, France (NCE)


Lufthansa 1061
Depart: 2:40 PM | Nice, France (NCE)
Arrive: 4:20 PM | Frankfurt, Germany (FRA)

Lufthansa 404

Depart: 5:10 PM | Frankfurt, Germany (FRA)
Arrive: 7:55 PM | New York, NY ( JFK)
There seem to be so many questions in this thread but very little feedback as to what actually happened which makes it harder to get a 'real-life' perspective for FRA novices as opposed to the experts who know the airport well, so I decided to give my feedback (this is an airport I barely use, maybe once a year or less).

I ended up taking the flights I had enquired about above.

My flight LH 1061 from NCE was delayed marginally departing NCE at 14.53 and arrived at parking bus gate Terminal 1A at 16:29.

Departure to JFK was as scheduled in gate Z62 at 17:10.

Made a dash and still made it despite 5 mins in line to get through passport control. Took me 24 minutes from disembarking to arrive at departure gate so got there 17 mins before departure - If I walked more leisurely would probably have still made it as some passengers still boarded up to t-10. Was tight but doable, but not something I would do out of choice.
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Old Apr 19, 2015, 9:53 pm
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Need Direction Urgently !!

First of all sorry , have gone through all possible responses but still I am very much confused with the direction.

My spouse and 7 month baby are travelling to USA from India , they have connection flight at Frankfurt airport , but I am so confused with the maps itself I find it difficult to explain anyone.

Can anyone please confirm that is 2 hours sufficient (taking into consideration have 7 month old infant) from below terminal , we have LH flight throughout

Mumbai -> Frankfurt ( Terminal 1 - Hall C ) (Arrival) LH 757

TO

Frankfurt -> Atlanta ( Terminal 1 - Hall AB - Counter 260-338 - Gate Z ) (Departure) LH 444


Also the flight at times comes to Terminal 1 - Hall B & A , so please do confirm if time is sufficient for travelling from
Hall B (Arrival) -> Hall AB (Departure) &

Hall C (Arrival) -> Hall AB (Departure)

Would appreciate if anyone could help with navigation & also any imp information which would be helpful. Do we have golf cars/electrics cars at airport which can help commutation , would that be possible in above scenario ?

Also if any one help me with security timeline.

Sorry again and thanks for all your help

Regards,
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Old Apr 20, 2015, 1:47 am
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Originally Posted by devang0583
First of all sorry , have gone through all possible responses but still I am very much confused with the direction.

My spouse and 7 month baby are travelling to USA from India , they have connection flight at Frankfurt airport , but I am so confused with the maps itself I find it difficult to explain anyone.

Can anyone please confirm that is 2 hours sufficient (taking into consideration have 7 month old infant) from below terminal , we have LH flight throughout

Mumbai -> Frankfurt ( Terminal 1 - Hall C ) (Arrival) LH 757

TO

Frankfurt -> Atlanta ( Terminal 1 - Hall AB - Counter 260-338 - Gate Z ) (Departure) LH 444


Also the flight at times comes to Terminal 1 - Hall B & A , so please do confirm if time is sufficient for travelling from
Hall B (Arrival) -> Hall AB (Departure) &

Hall C (Arrival) -> Hall AB (Departure)

Would appreciate if anyone could help with navigation & also any imp information which would be helpful. Do we have golf cars/electrics cars at airport which can help commutation , would that be possible in above scenario ?

Also if any one help me with security timeline.

Sorry again and thanks for all your help

Regards,
Welcome to FT, devang0583!

"Terminal 1 - Hall C" and " Terminal 1 - Hall AB - Counter 260-338" refer to the areas you collect your checked luggage on arrival and where you are supposed to check in if your journey originates in FRA. You can ignore this information since your wife and child are transferring in FRA and there's no need to re-check their luggage.

Flights from India (including Mumbai) usually arrive at a C gate and flights to the US usually depart from a Z gate. It will be quite a long walk from C to Z (via the Skyline train) but two hours should be sufficient. From the arrival gate follow the signs for the departure gate (having re-checked after leaving the aircraft). As they enter the terminal there will be someone standing to direct connecting passengers to their departure gate. Following the signs should take them to the Skyline platform. It will be quite a long walk although there are some moving walkways. When they arrive in Z concourse, they will have to go through security check before going down one level to Z departures. Depending on the actual departure gate it could be another long walk.

There are golf carts but I'm not sure if they have to be booked in advance. If you are really concerned how they will make the connection you may like to consider LH's Guide Service. It will cost €75 and has to be booked 4 days in advance but someone will meet them at the arrival gate and escort them through security to their departure gate.

You may also like to check this page on travelling with children.
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Old Apr 25, 2015, 10:43 pm
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Is this connection legal?

Is this connection allowed? Going to be issued by SQ.

SQ326 SIN-FRA, landing FRA at 2040hrs

Connection 55 mins

LH694 FRA-TLV, departing FRA at 2135hrs

Both in business class (if it makes a difference?), with checked bags.

Sorry, I know there's a sticky with all the MCTs, but I am having some trouble reading it. Thanks!
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Old Apr 25, 2015, 11:01 pm
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Originally Posted by samunique
Is this connection allowed? Going to be issued by SQ.

SQ326 SIN-FRA, landing FRA at 2040hrs

Connection 55 mins

LH694 FRA-TLV, departing FRA at 2135hrs

Both in business class (if it makes a difference?), with checked bags.

Sorry, I know there's a sticky with all the MCTs, but I am having some trouble reading it. Thanks!
MCT for fra is 45 minutes as absolute minimum, considering you're going to TLV which will probably incur additional screening you may be pushing your luck a bit. If you are delayed 15-30 minutes from SIN then you may have no chance.

This flight lately has been either on time or late in recent arrivals (http://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/sq326/) and that doesnt factor in 5-10 minutes of taxiing to the gate, plus waiting for the jet bridge and then actually deplaning, it may be 20 minutes after touchdown before you are off the plane and that may be optimistic.
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Old Apr 26, 2015, 5:52 am
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If you book such a connection or not is pretty much down to: Do you absolutely have to be there, or will it not matter if you arrive the next day (or in this case, where an overnight flight with a super-early arrival would be replaced with a dayflight, later on the same day) - you've probably roughly 80-90% chance of making it. Same for your luggage (if you make it..)
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Old Apr 26, 2015, 6:52 am
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MCT for connecting to TLV is 60 minutes between two LH flights. I don't know if this is a legal connection. If SQ is selling this ticket you should be prepared for an overnight layover.
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Old Apr 26, 2015, 7:51 am
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Originally Posted by NewbieRunner
MCT for connecting to TLV is 60 minutes between two LH flights. I don't know if this is a legal connection. If SQ is selling this ticket you should be prepared for an overnight layover.
FRA fine print states their MCT is 45 minutes so sq will probably issue the ticket. Unfortunately. But unlikely that a connection can be made in time. Clearing security is another hurdle potentially. The more I think about his the less likely I think OP will have a chance. I think it's almost no chance. But if they have a sense of adventure and no issue taking a later flight, let's see what happens.
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