Hon Run Routing? [and other quick SEN/FTL qualification mileage runs on LX/LH/OS]
Aug 14, 2007, 1:04 pm
#122
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For 1965 Euros Ex- ATH you get 35.692 base miles + 5460 (SEN/FTL BONUS) or 10922 (HON MILES). All in Business Class (Z Class) as shown below :
Atenas (ATH) a Jakarta (JKT): Salida: mar 6 nov - Vuelta: mar 27 nov Fecha De A Vuelo Duración Clase de servicio
mar 6 nov 17:15Atenas 19:05 Zurich LX1839 20h35 Business (Z)
mar 6 nov 20:20Zurich 21:25 Frankfurt LH3735 Business (Z)
mar 6 nov 22:10Frankfurt 18:50 +1 Jakarta , Soekarno-Hatta International LH778 Business (Z)
mar 27 nov 20:10Jakarta, Soekarno-Hatta International 05:50 +1 Frankfurt LH779 22h10 Business (Z)
mié 28 nov 07:20Frankfurt 08:15 Zurich LH3720 Business (Z)
mié 28 nov 09:45Zurich 13:20 Atenas LX1830 Business (Z)
Precio totalTarifa por persona Tasas e impuestos por persona Pasajeros Total
1700,00 + 256,34 x 1 Adulto = EUR 1956,34
Cargo por emisión de billete = EUR 9,00
Precio total para todos los pasajeros = EUR 1965,34
Atenas (ATH) a Jakarta (JKT): Salida: mar 6 nov - Vuelta: mar 27 nov Fecha De A Vuelo Duración Clase de servicio
mar 6 nov 17:15Atenas 19:05 Zurich LX1839 20h35 Business (Z)
mar 6 nov 20:20Zurich 21:25 Frankfurt LH3735 Business (Z)
mar 6 nov 22:10Frankfurt 18:50 +1 Jakarta , Soekarno-Hatta International LH778 Business (Z)
mar 27 nov 20:10Jakarta, Soekarno-Hatta International 05:50 +1 Frankfurt LH779 22h10 Business (Z)
mié 28 nov 07:20Frankfurt 08:15 Zurich LH3720 Business (Z)
mié 28 nov 09:45Zurich 13:20 Atenas LX1830 Business (Z)
Precio totalTarifa por persona Tasas e impuestos por persona Pasajeros Total
1700,00 + 256,34 x 1 Adulto = EUR 1956,34
Cargo por emisión de billete = EUR 9,00
Precio total para todos los pasajeros = EUR 1965,34
ex-CAI-SIN LX D class. 2270 EUR all-in.
2 stopovers at ZRH are included.
You can book it at exedia.com.
Fare basis: DICSWIEG
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS:
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS.
Total miles before SEN/HON bonus is 32,416 miles.
About 70 EUR/1,000 miles incl. taxes.
2 stopovers at ZRH are included.
You can book it at exedia.com.
Fare basis: DICSWIEG
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS:
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS.
Total miles before SEN/HON bonus is 32,416 miles.
About 70 EUR/1,000 miles incl. taxes.
Aug 14, 2007, 1:54 pm
#123
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I think the best HON run is BRU-ZRH-STR-ZRH-BRU in Swiss J. I did this for €373.29 (incl. all taxes and lx.com TSC) a few months back, and this gives me €37.33/1000 HON miles. (Note that I am not interested in HON miles, just status miles.)
If you want status miles only, there will likely be better ratios in the US on domestic F.
SmilingBoy.
If you want status miles only, there will likely be better ratios in the US on domestic F.
SmilingBoy.
Aug 23, 2007, 9:59 am
#124
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ex-CAI-SIN
ex-CAI-SIN LX D class. 2270 EUR all-in.
2 stopovers at ZRH are included.
You can book it at exedia.com.
Fare basis: DICSWIEG
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS:
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS.
Total miles before SEN/HON bonus is 32,416 miles.
About 70 EUR/1,000 miles incl. taxes.
2 stopovers at ZRH are included.
You can book it at exedia.com.
Fare basis: DICSWIEG
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS:
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS.
Total miles before SEN/HON bonus is 32,416 miles.
About 70 EUR/1,000 miles incl. taxes.
Kind rgds
Aug 23, 2007, 12:46 pm
#125
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Aug 23, 2007, 1:26 pm
#127
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Oct 2, 2007, 4:14 am
#129
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Fare rule clarification
Sorry, I am no expert on fare rules and need some clarification on the HONRUN fares...
1. Does this fare allow cancellations free of charge before departure?
2. Are flight changes after departure free of charge?
3. Would there be a difference with the JSWISSDE fare?
and one last:
Is there a site where I can directly enter the fare code in order to see the fare rules?
Thanks a lot upfront!
ZWISSDE:
Penalties:
CANCELLATIONS
BEFORE DEPARTURE
CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED.
AFTER DEPARTURE
CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED.
NOTE -
CHARGE 70 PCT / REFUND 30 PERCENT OF RT FARE
CHANGES
ANY TIME
CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
1. Does this fare allow cancellations free of charge before departure?
2. Are flight changes after departure free of charge?
3. Would there be a difference with the JSWISSDE fare?
and one last:
Is there a site where I can directly enter the fare code in order to see the fare rules?
Thanks a lot upfront!
ZWISSDE:
Penalties:
CANCELLATIONS
BEFORE DEPARTURE
CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED.
AFTER DEPARTURE
CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED.
NOTE -
CHARGE 70 PCT / REFUND 30 PERCENT OF RT FARE
CHANGES
ANY TIME
CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
Last edited by agadasch; Oct 2, 2007 at 9:41 am Reason: missing information
Oct 4, 2007, 9:52 am
#130
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The complete rules of ZSWISSDE:
This set of fare rules was downloaded from expertflyer.com The complete fare rules are also shown if you make a pretend booking on expedia.com
Fare basis code ZSWISSDE
Flying LX
APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS
RULE - 021/DE19 UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED SPECIAL -SWISS FARES APPLICATION AREA THESE FARES APPLY WITHIN EUROPE. CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION THIS RULE GOVERNS ONE-WAY AND ROUND-TRIP FARES. FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS. OTHER CONDITIONS FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS - THE TICKET /OR ELECTRONIC TICKET/ IS NOT VALID IF THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT BE HONORED IF ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET /OR ELECTRONIC TICKET/.
ADVANCE RES/TICKETING
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - DUE TO AUTOMATED TICKETING DEADLINE CONTROL DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE FARE RULE LAST TICKETING DATE AND THE SYSTEM GENERATED TICKETING DEADLINE MESSAGE . THE MORE RESTICTIVE TICKETING DEADLINE APPLIES. MANUALLY ENTERED TICKET NUMBERS MUST ALWAYS BE IN SSR ITEM OR ACCORDING TO DIFFERENT GDS SPECIFICATIONS.
MINIMUM STAY
NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
MAXIMUM STAY
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED RETURN TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
STOPOVERS
BETWEEN GERMANY AND EUROPE FOR ZSWISS- TYPE FARES 2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED - 1 IN EACH DIRECTION AT EUR 75.00 EACH.
PERMITTED COMBINATIONS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. ADD-ONS PERMITTED. OPEN JAWS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS. A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN SEGMENT. PROVIDED - THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE WITHIN -WITHIN EUROPE OR WITHIN ANY ONE COUNTRY COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY -SWISSDE/-6SWISS/-XMAS TYPE FARES FOR CARRIER LX IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL. ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY -SWISSDE/-6SWISS/-XMAS TYPE FARES FOR CARRIER LX IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL. OPEN JAWS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN SEGMENT. PROVIDED - THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE WITHIN -WITHIN EUROPE OR WITHIN ANY ONE COUNTRY COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LH/OS/SK/ TP/LO/JK/JP/OU/KF/BD IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL. ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LH/OS/SK/TP/ LO/JK/JP/OU/KF/BD IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL.
SALES RESTRICTIONS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED.
PENALTIES
FOR Z- TYPE FARES CANCELLATIONS BEFORE DEPARTURE CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED. AFTER DEPARTURE CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED. NOTE - CHARGE 70 PCT / REFUND 30 PERCENT OF RT FARE CHANGES ANY TIME CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS
FOR Z- TYPE FARES THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS.
TICKET ENDORSEMENT
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - FARE RESTRICTIONS APPLY - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.
CHILDREN DISCOUNTS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11 - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN OR - 1ST INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS
NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
AGENT DISCOUNTS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - AGENT DISCOUNTS PERMITTED. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS
Flying LX
APPLICATION AND OTHER CONDITIONS
RULE - 021/DE19 UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED SPECIAL -SWISS FARES APPLICATION AREA THESE FARES APPLY WITHIN EUROPE. CLASS OF SERVICE THESE FARES APPLY FOR BUSINESS CLASS SERVICE. TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION THIS RULE GOVERNS ONE-WAY AND ROUND-TRIP FARES. FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS. OTHER CONDITIONS FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS - THE TICKET /OR ELECTRONIC TICKET/ IS NOT VALID IF THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL NOT BE HONORED IF ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED IN THE SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET /OR ELECTRONIC TICKET/.
ADVANCE RES/TICKETING
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - DUE TO AUTOMATED TICKETING DEADLINE CONTROL DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE FARE RULE LAST TICKETING DATE AND THE SYSTEM GENERATED TICKETING DEADLINE MESSAGE . THE MORE RESTICTIVE TICKETING DEADLINE APPLIES. MANUALLY ENTERED TICKET NUMBERS MUST ALWAYS BE IN SSR ITEM OR ACCORDING TO DIFFERENT GDS SPECIFICATIONS.
MINIMUM STAY
NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
MAXIMUM STAY
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED RETURN TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.
STOPOVERS
BETWEEN GERMANY AND EUROPE FOR ZSWISS- TYPE FARES 2 STOPOVERS PERMITTED - 1 IN EACH DIRECTION AT EUR 75.00 EACH.
PERMITTED COMBINATIONS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED END-ON-END NOT PERMITTED. ADD-ONS PERMITTED. OPEN JAWS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS. A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN SEGMENT. PROVIDED - THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE WITHIN -WITHIN EUROPE OR WITHIN ANY ONE COUNTRY COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY -SWISSDE/-6SWISS/-XMAS TYPE FARES FOR CARRIER LX IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL. ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY -SWISSDE/-6SWISS/-XMAS TYPE FARES FOR CARRIER LX IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL. OPEN JAWS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS. MILEAGE OF THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE EQUAL/LESS THAN MILEAGE OF THE LONGEST FLOWN SEGMENT. PROVIDED - THE OPEN SEGMENT MUST BE WITHIN -WITHIN EUROPE OR WITHIN ANY ONE COUNTRY COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LH/OS/SK/ TP/LO/JK/JP/OU/KF/BD IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL. ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS -TO FORM ROUND TRIPS -TO FORM CIRCLE TRIPS A MAXIMUM OF TWO INTERNATIONAL FARE COMPONENTS PERMITTED. PROVIDED - COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER LH/OS/SK/TP/ LO/JK/JP/OU/KF/BD IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF IPREURP - WITHIN EUROPE-INTERNATIONAL.
SALES RESTRICTIONS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED EXTENSION OF TICKET VALIDITY IS NOT PERMITTED.
PENALTIES
FOR Z- TYPE FARES CANCELLATIONS BEFORE DEPARTURE CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED. AFTER DEPARTURE CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED. NOTE - CHARGE 70 PCT / REFUND 30 PERCENT OF RT FARE CHANGES ANY TIME CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
HIP/MILEAGE EXCEPTIONS
FOR Z- TYPE FARES THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR STOPOVERS.
TICKET ENDORSEMENT
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED THE ORIGINAL AND THE REISSUED TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - FARE RESTRICTIONS APPLY - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.
CHILDREN DISCOUNTS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11 - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS CH OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN OR - 1ST INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE FARE. TICKETING CODE - BASE FARE CODE PLUS IN.
TOUR CONDUCTOR DISCOUNTS
NONE UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED
AGENT DISCOUNTS
UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED NOTE - AGENT DISCOUNTS PERMITTED. CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS
Oct 7, 2007, 3:43 am
#131
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 11
ex-STR
I did the BRU-GVA-ZRH-STR-ZRH-GVA-BRU flight as mentioned in this thread earlier. The problem now is that I haven't received the status miles for BRU-GVA and GVA-BRU. It was on Brüssels Airlines metal. Should I complain?
PS: By the way. business class (economy flex) with Brüssels Airlines was the badest experience I've ever had. I had rude and incompetent flight attendants.
PS: By the way. business class (economy flex) with Brüssels Airlines was the badest experience I've ever had. I had rude and incompetent flight attendants.
Oct 7, 2007, 4:44 am
#132
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I did the BRU-GVA-ZRH-STR-ZRH-GVA-BRU flight as mentioned in this thread earlier. The problem now is that I haven't received the status miles for BRU-GVA and GVA-BRU. It was on Brüssels Airlines metal. Should I complain?
PS: By the way. business class (economy flex) with Brüssels Airlines was the badest experience I've ever had. I had rude and incompetent flight attendants.
PS: By the way. business class (economy flex) with Brüssels Airlines was the badest experience I've ever had. I had rude and incompetent flight attendants.
Oct 7, 2007, 4:45 am
#133
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No - that's as expected. For status miles, just do BRU-ZRH-STR-ZRH-BRU. There is/was a GVA-STR flight. So it was possible to do BRU-ZRH-GVA-STR. But I don't think this flight is being operated anymore.
Sorry!
SmilingBoy.
Originally Posted by brnlover
I did the BRU-GVA-ZRH-STR-ZRH-GVA-BRU flight as mentioned in this thread earlier. The problem now is that I haven't received the status miles for BRU-GVA and GVA-BRU. It was on Brüssels Airlines metal. Should I complain?
PS: By the way. business class (economy flex) with Brüssels Airlines was the badest experience I've ever had. I had rude and incompetent flight attendants.
PS: By the way. business class (economy flex) with Brüssels Airlines was the badest experience I've ever had. I had rude and incompetent flight attendants.
Sorry!
SmilingBoy.
Nov 3, 2007, 9:34 am
#135
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MR ex Germany
BRU-ZRH-STR is pretty good. Is there also a similar MR possible from a (southern) German airport?