No more UA Golds in SEN lounges....
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Originally Posted by flysurfer
You certainly didn't offend me (or LonLH, I guess), I'm always that tough. Ask weero for details.
However, you simply bent the rules printed on your SWU. I have 5 of those certificates right in front of me, and the rules are pretty clear to me. It says, in bold print: "Valid on Lufthansa operated international flights only. Not valid on X,I,R,N,E,S,W,ID,AD and IP fares". It's that simple. But I'm curious to hear "various interpretations" for that.
However, I'm glad that it worked for you, and since you say the flight was oversold in Y, you could as well have been entitled to an op-up.
However, you simply bent the rules printed on your SWU. I have 5 of those certificates right in front of me, and the rules are pretty clear to me. It says, in bold print: "Valid on Lufthansa operated international flights only. Not valid on X,I,R,N,E,S,W,ID,AD and IP fares". It's that simple. But I'm curious to hear "various interpretations" for that.
However, I'm glad that it worked for you, and since you say the flight was oversold in Y, you could as well have been entitled to an op-up.
Yes indeed, and that is the rub. As the UA agent directed me, on certain UA pages it does allow for a UA 'W' booked flight (for which I did pay in excess of $800 US 3 months ago, so not the absolute cheapest) to upgrade with a SWU paper cert. She did inform me to print out the page in case there were issues or problems. And looking through various LH & UA forum topics there seems to be lots & lots of problems with this upgrade issue.
As for it being oversold in Y, I'm not sure, just that I was told it was oversold in Business Class-- both this am & at check in at 3pm. But looking at the seating chart, I did see there was lots of availabilty in F. In fact, at noon today it appeared only one F seat was taken. So from that I can guess, that some lucky C class passengers were upgraded to F???
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Originally Posted by mauld
So from that I can guess, that some lucky C class passengers were upgraded to F???
Also, the rules that count are those printed on the certificate. However, if you insist on consulting online reading matter, there's an official page on ual.com explaining the upgrade rules for certificates. It's http://www.united.com/page/article/0,1360,50027,00.html. And it clearly says: "1a. Lufthansa Standby: This upgrade may be used on a standby basis, subject to availability, on the day of travel on any eligible Lufthansa flight in accordance with the terms and conditions of this certificate, except when booked in LH booking classes X, I, R, N, W, S and E. In addition L and T fares are also excluded for Intra-Europe flights." Pretty much the same restriction as the one on the printed certificate.
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Originally Posted by mauld
One other note for those looking to use SWU certs on UA tickets/LH metal: At check in I was initally told that my UA W fare did not allow me to upgrade with a cert------->but I had printed out a page from the UA website, that seemed to 'somehow leave off the W' from the LH/UA SWU Cert' upgrade explanation page, and I'm now happily on the upgrade waitlist .
Flymaster, why do all the UA guys love to fly on crappy LH with wonderful UA tickets? And why don't they use their SWUs on splendid UA flights over the pond?
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Originally Posted by mauld
Yes indeed, and that is the rub. As the UA agent directed me, on certain UA pages it does allow for a UA 'W' booked flight (for which I did pay in excess of $800 US 3 months ago, so not the absolute cheapest) to upgrade with a SWU paper cert. She did inform me to print out the page in case there were issues or problems. And looking through various LH & UA forum topics there seems to be lots & lots of problems with this upgrade issue.
Certainly not.
The language on the note is as clear as the language on the SWU and there should have been no reason to argue about. But as the possibility to use SWUs on LH will be abolished shortly, no more reason to discuss on that.
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Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
(...) why do all the UA guys love to fly on crappy LH with wonderful UA tickets? And why don't they use their SWUs on splendid UA flights over the pond?
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Originally Posted by QF009
Is that at SIN?
[apologist mode on]
There is an exclusive *G/Krisflyer EG check in row (row 4 IIRC). It's to prevent the common Raffles class check in row from being too clogged up with Y-flying *Gs.
As for the SATS Club (aka 'lowlife lounge for *Gs'), it's quite nice with lots of natural light and views of the tarmac. With all the lounges already so crowded during peak times, it'd be disaster if they didn't have a seperate lounge for Y-flying *Gs. And I don't think SQ F pax or elites get to access the FCT.
Even their own Krisflyer Golds in Y are exiled to check in at row 4 and the 'lowlife' lounge, you know. [/apologist mode off]
Oh well, bring on T3!
[apologist mode on]
There is an exclusive *G/Krisflyer EG check in row (row 4 IIRC). It's to prevent the common Raffles class check in row from being too clogged up with Y-flying *Gs.
As for the SATS Club (aka 'lowlife lounge for *Gs'), it's quite nice with lots of natural light and views of the tarmac. With all the lounges already so crowded during peak times, it'd be disaster if they didn't have a seperate lounge for Y-flying *Gs. And I don't think SQ F pax or elites get to access the FCT.
Even their own Krisflyer Golds in Y are exiled to check in at row 4 and the 'lowlife' lounge, you know. [/apologist mode off]
Oh well, bring on T3!
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Originally Posted by WindFlyer
Really?
...or is this like the subject of this thread
...or is this like the subject of this thread
Basically, the opportunity to use a cheap SWU on V (or even W!!) class to upgrade any LH flight was worth at least as much to 1Ks as E+ to SENs. Of course, our friends at the UA board never even mentioned this special reciprocity, I guess they took the use of SWUs on LH for granted.
However, I really doubt that this is gonna stay when LH has completed their refit to new C in 2007, with new F on the horizon, etc.
Hey, don't forget the awful rumors that there won't be any M&M awards and upgrades into the new F class! If 50,000 LH miles can't do the job, how is a SWU from another FFP supposed to do it?
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Originally Posted by flysurfer
I think that now that UA is part of the *A upgrade scheme, that MP perk might indeed vanish. Especially after UA took away E+ for *G. It simply doesn't fit into the overall picture, anymore. Which is unfortunate, because I liked those SWUs...
But who knows. I certainly did enjoy the SWUs, particulary for getting into a real F cabin
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Originally Posted by WindFlyer
But who knows. I certainly did enjoy the SWUs, particulary for getting into a real F cabin
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Originally Posted by flysurfer
You certainly didn't offend me (or LonLH, I guess), I'm always that tough. Ask weero for details. ..
But he also is quite, quite right this time that you pushed the envelope a bit
far in your favour. Each single offense might go through as '1K not knowing how
LH works' but the clustering demonstrates an elaborate attack in order to get
services not deserved .
Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
..Flymaster, why do all the UA guys love to fly on crappy LH with wonderful UA tickets? And why don't they use their SWUs on splendid UA flights over the pond?
my SWUs almost exclusively to upgrade UA flights. Have not burnt a printed SWU
for LH in two years now.
Ok, The Flymaster himself does so .. but he's not really a 'UA folks' himself, he
just got a 1K card ... somehow.
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Originally Posted by weero
Why do you blame The Flymaster for that wrongful assumption? I certainly use my SWUs almost exclusively to upgrade UA flights. Have not burnt a printed SWU for LH in two years now. Ok, The Flymaster himself does so .. but he's not really a 'UA folks' himself, he
just got a 1K card ... somehow.
just got a 1K card ... somehow.
And you?
Ok, even if LH-Y is somehow like a convicts' transportation it is somehow difficult for you to enjoy it from OZ, ain't it?
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G'Day Flying Lawyer
Not to me: confirmed upgrade on an unlimited number of segments vs. standby
upgrade against competing SENs and HONs .. I'd (nearly) always go for the UA option!
After all - as you know - if I flew the brand new A380 .. that would be the single
one in the fleet that sported the old C due to .. put dubious reason here.
I understand The Flymaster as he upgrades from C->F, so even if his plans
fail, he'll still enjoy a flat-ish seat. But UA folks buying V (or W more recently)
and praying for a last second move-up to the coveted new C? I find that
too much of a wager.
Convict deportation from Oz? That's streching it a bit .
But actually the LH sales office in SYD is really good. They offer cheapo D
and Z fares ex. Oz and - unlike UA Sydney - make an effort to get you a seat
on those birds.
Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
..I asked a rhetorical question and the answer on the North Atlantic route is pretty obvious.
upgrade against competing SENs and HONs .. I'd (nearly) always go for the UA option!
After all - as you know - if I flew the brand new A380 .. that would be the single
one in the fleet that sported the old C due to .. put dubious reason here.
I understand The Flymaster as he upgrades from C->F, so even if his plans
fail, he'll still enjoy a flat-ish seat. But UA folks buying V (or W more recently)
and praying for a last second move-up to the coveted new C? I find that
too much of a wager.
..And you?
Ok, even if LH-Y is somehow like a convicts' transportation it is somehow difficult for you to enjoy it from OZ, ain't it?
Ok, even if LH-Y is somehow like a convicts' transportation it is somehow difficult for you to enjoy it from OZ, ain't it?
But actually the LH sales office in SYD is really good. They offer cheapo D
and Z fares ex. Oz and - unlike UA Sydney - make an effort to get you a seat
on those birds.
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Originally Posted by Flying Lawyer
The language on the note is as clear as the language on the SWU and there should have been no reason to argue about. But as the possibility to use SWUs on LH will be abolished shortly, no more reason to discuss on that.
Do you even definitively know how the UA SWUs on LH transaction works? It may be baked enough into the revenue sharing agreement with UA that it does not cause a financial hit to LH to do the upgrade.
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Originally Posted by SFOtoORD
..It may be baked enough into the revenue sharing agreement with UA that it does not cause a financial hit to LH to do the upgrade.
member opts to waste a gazillion miles (or even cash) on an upgrade.
It basically saves LH from handing out any op-ups and comes at a price of a
premium class meal. Which would have gone unused without the upgrade anyway.
The more constant load might hence come at no food cost whatsoever and might
give LH a chance to sell a few more Y seats to 1K and their sponsored ones
and maybe quite a few Z fares for those in the vane hope of getting an F
seat from which they would be positively barred on UA.