Nov 12, 2019, 6:52 am
Last edit by: ACflyerDE
The programme will now change from 1 January 2022 (postponed again and it will not start before 2023)
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/e...ts/update.html
All the changes are listed on the official M&M Website: https://www.miles-and-more.com/de/en...ts/update.html
Starting 2021, the system for earning status changes. From then on, status points are earned by cabin and segment flown:
Regional flights will earn 5 points in Economy and Premium Economy, 10 points in First and Business class per segment
Intercontinental flights, ie flights between two IATA regions, will earn 15 points in Economy, 20 in Premium Economy, 50 in Business and 70 in First class segments
There will be two kinds of points : qualifying points (QP): earned with M&M integrated partners (LH/EW/LX/OS/LO/OU/LG/etc) and normal points : earned with other partners like the airlines in the Star Alliance. QP can be earned on LH Airrail train segments, but are capped at 40/120/250 per year for FTL/SEN/HON.
'Frequent Traveler' (FTL, equivalent to *S) status is given to members with 160 points (of which atleast 80 need to be QP), 'Senator' (SEN, *G) to members with 480 points (of which atleast 240 need to be QP). HON Circle (HON) is awarded after reaching 1500 QP in one year.
SEN will receive two evouchers upon qualification each year, HON 4 evouchers. There will be no rollover of QP, but for members who exceed the qualification QP level, M&M will grant the following benefits:
FTL: Mileage exchange for QP at 200 qualifying points
SEN: 2 eVoucher at 700 qualifying points; 15,000 award miles at 1,000 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 1,300 qualifying points
HON:2 eVoucher at 1,800 qualifying points; 30,000 award miles at 2,100 qualifying points; 2 eVoucher at 2,400 qualifying points; Frequent Traveller partner card at 2,700 qualifying points; Senator partner card at 3,000 qualifying points
The system of status miles, HON Circle miles, select miles, and status star points will be abolished at the end of 2020. Any status earned prior to that will be honored. Any HON Circle miles earned in 2020 will be credited as QP in the ratio 200:1. Status star points earned till end of 2020 will converted to lifetime QP at a ration of 2:1.
Members with a lifetime QP of 7500 will be awarded FTL for their lifetime. If members reach 10000 lifetime QP and have been SEN for at least a cumulative 10 years they will be awarded lifetime SEN status.
Status is always valid for the year of qualification and one additional year. HON and SEN will have a 'soft landing' ie if they cannot requalify for status, they will get a year of SEN or FTL respectively.
New qualifying points system for status from 2024
Jan 16, 2022, 6:56 pm
#886
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Won't someone with 02/24 extend to 02/26 re-qualifying this year also?
Jan 16, 2022, 8:47 pm
#887
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Jan 17, 2022, 1:06 am
#888
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isn't it also possible that they decide not to change anything ?
Jan 17, 2022, 2:45 am
#889
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Yes, it is. Their club = their rules 
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But I'd be surprised if they don't bring in change at some stage. AF/KL and BA have brought in points-based systems... Compared to those, M&M is incredibly bureaucratic and awkward... Tapping itineraries into a mileage calculator to find that you get 37251 miles or whatever isn't very modern.
.But I'd be surprised if they don't bring in change at some stage. AF/KL and BA have brought in points-based systems... Compared to those, M&M is incredibly bureaucratic and awkward... Tapping itineraries into a mileage calculator to find that you get 37251 miles or whatever isn't very modern.
Jan 17, 2022, 4:27 am
#890
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 13
Thanks for the detailed answer. The new system definitely fit for new members and make it much more easy to obtain and maintain the status.
I hope there will be some changes in 2023 as I expect to fly quite often and thought M&M could fit.
I hope there will be some changes in 2023 as I expect to fly quite often and thought M&M could fit.
Well that is still a good question. Originally a new status structure was supposed to start on 01/01/2021. Covid blew that away. LH then said the new structure would start on 01/01/2022, then later announced that it would not start on 01/01/2022. AFAIK that's the latest, so nobody really knows if or when it will start. There is a general opinion on here that, if they're going to start something new, they will announce it not later than approx 14/15 months before launch... In other words, Sep/Oct 22 for any launch on 01/01/2024. This would make it too late now to start something on 01/01/2023.
Jan 17, 2022, 6:22 am
#891
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I disagree and do not really look forward to the new system. In the new system you will need to reqyalify every year to maintain the FTV or SEN status (for context, now you need to reqyalify during one of the two years) . I don't call it "easier to maintain".
Last edited by andywaw; Jan 17, 2022 at 12:07 pm
Jan 17, 2022, 6:37 am
#892
Join Date: Dec 2006
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In my case, with 3*, and 35/40% on my way to the 4th one, I hope they launch it one day and give me LT Senhood, after aprox 30 years as Sen, I think I deserve it.
The only year which it was easy to obtain it, 2021, it was a not qualifying year for me. I think andywaw was in the same boat.
Jan 17, 2022, 7:46 am
#893
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Depends on what the qualification criteria end up being. The current 100K is quite a lot higher than any other *A or even competing alliance program around.
If it ends up being that 50K worth of flying gets you a year, that's much easier. Also, if carryover becomes a thing, as it is in FlyingBlue for example, then flying 100K in a year would still give you two years.
Anyway too soon to say. I expect that the system will end up being quite different from what was originally presented.
If it ends up being that 50K worth of flying gets you a year, that's much easier. Also, if carryover becomes a thing, as it is in FlyingBlue for example, then flying 100K in a year would still give you two years.
Anyway too soon to say. I expect that the system will end up being quite different from what was originally presented.
Apr 29, 2022, 9:19 am
#894
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It seems M&M is looking at resuming work on (re-)introducing the new system. However it depends on the economic/market situation in mid 2022 so don't expect any announcement till late 2022. The deadline for a change to a new system in 2024 is December 2022.
Apr 29, 2022, 10:58 am
#895
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... Did you get any hint about whether it will be what was presented in 2019, or something completely different?
Apr 30, 2022, 3:28 am
#896
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Would imagine tech wise, what was presented all ready to go. I‘d be surprised they come up with something new.
Apr 30, 2022, 3:59 am
#897
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Well, until something more concrete comes along we’re left guessing. But I’m not going to renew my status again until I know a bit more about the future plans for status.
Aug 1, 2022, 3:37 pm
#898
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I only have it second hand (a different forum, to be more specific!!) but apparently a new status system may be on the way from 01/01/24. The hints suggest that it might, after all, be similar to the 2019 proposal.
Anyone who wishes to share anything more concrete is welcome to do so😊!!
Anyone who wishes to share anything more concrete is welcome to do so😊!!
Aug 2, 2022, 1:16 am
#899
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They have to decide by September and announce it shortly after if it is to come into force in January 2024.
Sep 16, 2022, 12:55 pm
#900
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Just wonder if there are any hints on this... End of September is fast approaching and can’t see talk of any change. Is a change of status system from 1/1/24 still likely?