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#2026



Join Date: Dec 2010
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As I read this I was amazed
Then reached the line where it said 'short haul" and sighed.
Flying TATL and needing to connect in WAW, for example to RZE, or other domestic points, the need to pass through another security check makes it highly possible that one can miss the flight. Etc Etc Etc
Then reached the line where it said 'short haul" and sighed.
Flying TATL and needing to connect in WAW, for example to RZE, or other domestic points, the need to pass through another security check makes it highly possible that one can miss the flight. Etc Etc Etc
#2028
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As I read this I was amazed
Then reached the line where it said 'short haul" and sighed.
Flying TATL and needing to connect in WAW, for example to RZE, or other domestic points, the need to pass through another security check makes it highly possible that one can miss the flight. Etc Etc Etc
Then reached the line where it said 'short haul" and sighed.
Flying TATL and needing to connect in WAW, for example to RZE, or other domestic points, the need to pass through another security check makes it highly possible that one can miss the flight. Etc Etc Etc
Of course you mention security, that's not really an issue, the issue is passports, as an EU holder you can use the eGates or fast EU queue, takes no time at all. For example, I presume TAS will be another sleep-destroying middle of the night flight meaning big queues when it gets back to WAW. LOT asked Straż Graniczna to provide additional staff for those morning arrivals but they refused, hence many pax misconnect, but they're all non-EU. But that shouldn't be you, as I understood you were Polish.
I'll probably give TAS a go nevertheless, they usually dump onto the PL market for these routes.
By the way, I suggest a new pair of specs if you think the experience on LHG is better, especially FRA.
There was a sale to NQZ a couple of weeks ago on LO. It was cheap! 1000PLN KRK-NQZ.
#2029



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You blame the airport. I see it differently, Firstly, these two firms are both government owned... so achieving some sort of workaround should be possible. If however, the airport won't be accomodating, then the geniuses at LO should adjust the schedule - either make the East coast departure earlier, or, have the last WAW-RZE (and possibly other domestic connections) depart 20-30 minutes later as this is a continuoud problem. But they won't.
#2030
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The airport transfer is not my experience - but rather that of a friend of mine, who happens to have an EU passport. Thus my status is irrelevant.
You blame the airport. I see it differently, Firstly, these two firms are both government owned... so achieving some sort of workaround should be possible. If however, the airport won't be accomodating, then the geniuses at LO should adjust the schedule - either make the East coast departure earlier, or, have the last WAW-RZE (and possibly other domestic connections) depart 20-30 minutes later as this is a continuoud problem. But they won't.
You blame the airport. I see it differently, Firstly, these two firms are both government owned... so achieving some sort of workaround should be possible. If however, the airport won't be accomodating, then the geniuses at LO should adjust the schedule - either make the East coast departure earlier, or, have the last WAW-RZE (and possibly other domestic connections) depart 20-30 minutes later as this is a continuoud problem. But they won't.
Nevertheless thats your truth and I believe it, this isn't the BA forum.
They are indeed state owned, but the idea they all can influence each other shows some naivety about Poland. Pax misconnect, LO incur the cost. Perhaps someone in Central Planning has decided its cheaper to rebook and pay compensation than to train and staff more SG. Perhaps instead of saying they didn't work together, they did?
Not only am I aware that LO have waited for me (and other pax) but I've been seated on LO aircraft waiting for connecting pax on so many flights I can tell you that they do indeed delay flights. I'm annoyed they boarded us when I'd have rather waited in the lounge and enjoyed another San Pelly water! There's a back office that decides these things, if there's space to rebook, or they will wait longer.
#2031



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Of course that's your friends lived experience and their truth and that holds its own but I would not pay too much attention to second hand experiences. For example, you previously informed me that friends of yours found out at the airport that the flight ex-US was cancelled. A cancelled status triggers all kinds of notifications in Amadeus and Altea, with even FR24 feeding into it these days and the responsibility to rebook is with a dedicated LO irreg department backed up by the contact centre where needed. I remember you said those friends were not some once a year Babcia but that experience struck me as something an entry level pax would encounter. I cannot attest to such an experience and I've had many cancelled flights, including being woken at 3:30AM by irregularity to inform me the flight is cancelled and can I accept a rebooking xxx?
Nevertheless thats your truth and I believe it, this isn't the BA forum.
They are indeed state owned, but the idea they all can influence each other shows some naivety about Poland. Pax misconnect, LO incur the cost. Perhaps someone in Central Planning has decided its cheaper to rebook and pay compensation than to train and staff more SG. Perhaps instead of saying they didn't work together, they did?
Not only am I aware that LO have waited for me (and other pax) but I've been seated on LO aircraft waiting for connecting pax on so many flights I can tell you that they do indeed delay flights. I'm annoyed they boarded us when I'd have rather waited in the lounge and enjoyed another San Pelly water! There's a back office that decides these things, if there's space to rebook, or they will wait longer.
Nevertheless thats your truth and I believe it, this isn't the BA forum.
They are indeed state owned, but the idea they all can influence each other shows some naivety about Poland. Pax misconnect, LO incur the cost. Perhaps someone in Central Planning has decided its cheaper to rebook and pay compensation than to train and staff more SG. Perhaps instead of saying they didn't work together, they did?
Not only am I aware that LO have waited for me (and other pax) but I've been seated on LO aircraft waiting for connecting pax on so many flights I can tell you that they do indeed delay flights. I'm annoyed they boarded us when I'd have rather waited in the lounge and enjoyed another San Pelly water! There's a back office that decides these things, if there's space to rebook, or they will wait longer.
#2033




Join Date: Dec 2017
Location: WAW
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Posts: 1,688
On the domestic flight WAW-KRK LO staff at the gate weighed each roller bag that people tried to board with. 80% of them were too heavy (bags, not passengers) and had to be checked in.
#2035
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Posts: 11,592
Slippery Patryk Jaki on LO233 to BRU today...HON, of course!
Not bad for 38 and entirely paid for by the taxpayer.
Not bad for 38 and entirely paid for by the taxpayer.
#2036


Join Date: May 2015
Location: RBA / TBS
Programs: AF Platinum / A3 Gold / Accor Silver / Hyatt Explorist
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Normal = its summer + people wanna go there + no competition besides LH+KC / TK due to war in ukraine (no more B2, PS or SU)
Just wait for winter and prices will go down, otherwise make a layover in georgia, then fly with flyarystan
One of the "problem" with kazakhstan is that flights to ALA/NQZ are higher compared to other airports in the country
Just wait for winter and prices will go down, otherwise make a layover in georgia, then fly with flyarystan
One of the "problem" with kazakhstan is that flights to ALA/NQZ are higher compared to other airports in the country
Last edited by fifty_two; Jul 9, 2023 at 2:37 pm
#2037
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With the NATO summit, VNO has some nice loads in C, 10-12 rows on an Embraer with the Great and the Good.
It was interesting that after flying LO285 WAW-LHR last night, LOT decided to cancel the morning flight in order to operate a Gov charter flying LHR-BRU as LO7373 then to VNO as LO7374 before operating a supplementary commercial service VNO-WAW as LO1772 with a few token pax.
Though cancelling one flight is nothing compared to the LT's cancelling 100 flights in VNO because the airport is too close to the venue for "security reasons". It's shut from noon tomorrow until 4PM on Wed. Probably one of the reasons why such places tend not to be good choices for these events if you have to close your main airport? Though, I am sure the LT's were happy to bend over backwards to host for the cash it will bring.
Pity for those thousands of travellers though.
It was interesting that after flying LO285 WAW-LHR last night, LOT decided to cancel the morning flight in order to operate a Gov charter flying LHR-BRU as LO7373 then to VNO as LO7374 before operating a supplementary commercial service VNO-WAW as LO1772 with a few token pax.
Though cancelling one flight is nothing compared to the LT's cancelling 100 flights in VNO because the airport is too close to the venue for "security reasons". It's shut from noon tomorrow until 4PM on Wed. Probably one of the reasons why such places tend not to be good choices for these events if you have to close your main airport? Though, I am sure the LT's were happy to bend over backwards to host for the cash it will bring.
Pity for those thousands of travellers though.
#2038
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With the NATO summit, VNO has some nice loads in C, 10-12 rows on an Embraer with the Great and the Good.
It was interesting that after flying LO285 WAW-LHR last night, LOT decided to cancel the morning flight in order to operate a Gov charter flying LHR-BRU as LO7373 then to VNO as LO7374 before operating a supplementary commercial service VNO-WAW as LO1772 with a few token pax.
Though cancelling one flight is nothing compared to the LT's cancelling 100 flights in VNO because the airport is too close to the venue for "security reasons". It's shut from noon tomorrow until 4PM on Wed. Probably one of the reasons why such places tend not to be good choices for these events if you have to close your main airport? Though, I am sure the LT's were happy to bend over backwards to host for the cash it will bring.
Pity for those thousands of travellers though.
It was interesting that after flying LO285 WAW-LHR last night, LOT decided to cancel the morning flight in order to operate a Gov charter flying LHR-BRU as LO7373 then to VNO as LO7374 before operating a supplementary commercial service VNO-WAW as LO1772 with a few token pax.
Though cancelling one flight is nothing compared to the LT's cancelling 100 flights in VNO because the airport is too close to the venue for "security reasons". It's shut from noon tomorrow until 4PM on Wed. Probably one of the reasons why such places tend not to be good choices for these events if you have to close your main airport? Though, I am sure the LT's were happy to bend over backwards to host for the cash it will bring.
Pity for those thousands of travellers though.
"Not to operate" is BArb speak for a cancelled flight
.Fascinating, that it made commercial sense to cancel your Monday AM night-stop LHR-WAW to operate a VIP charter (for a few pax) LHR-BRU empty, BRU-VNO, then VNO-WAW with a few pax. Couldn't it have all been done with an E75?
There's quite a lot info about the low-load on the LO286 and that's good proof of it, I see Embraer's have made their way back to LHR as well, first time since the pandemic.
Meanwhile. SP-LSF has gone tech and as a result they missed the NRT night ban, but for some reason LOT don't want to put their pax in a hotel so this guy says 100 are sleeping on the floor... the flight shows as delayed to 13:30 12JUL.
Are the crew also sleeping on the floor?
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#2039
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3 Extremely Safe 737 MAX to be delivered next year. I presume from ALC. Didn't the ones sitting around end up with Enter?
No C cabin on GYD for a while due to downgrading to E95 to prioritise charter. Some flights were/are overbooked by dozens of pax.
Seems WAW-LCY won't come back from what I read on a PL forum. It's interesting the business case for the E190 LCY-capable sub-fleet (LMA-D) completely evaporated since the pandemic resting only on a 6pw VNO (LO273/4) service and only because of the support of the LT government. One presumes those factory fresh E90 are not on cheap leases.
No C cabin on GYD for a while due to downgrading to E95 to prioritise charter. Some flights were/are overbooked by dozens of pax.
Seems WAW-LCY won't come back from what I read on a PL forum. It's interesting the business case for the E190 LCY-capable sub-fleet (LMA-D) completely evaporated since the pandemic resting only on a 6pw VNO (LO273/4) service and only because of the support of the LT government. One presumes those factory fresh E90 are not on cheap leases.
#2040
Join Date: Jun 2008
Programs: TK*G (E+), IHG Plat Ambassador
Posts: 7,884
14JUL FRI TBS/Z‡4 WAW/-2
1LO 724 C6 D3 ZL FL TBSWAW 0410 0605 E95 M/RF 0 135 DCA /E
Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T7 S6 XL V4 WC LC UC OC
1LO 724 C6 D3 ZL FL TBSWAW 0410 0605 E95 M/RF 0 135 DCA /E
Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T7 S6 XL V4 WC LC UC OC
14JUL FRI GYD/Z‡4 WAW/-2
1LO 722 C9 DL ZL FL GYDWAW 0610 0845 E95 M/RF 0 256 DCA /E
Y9 B9 ML EL HL KL QL G9 TL SL XL VC WC LC UC OC
1LO 722 C9 DL ZL FL GYDWAW 0610 0845 E95 M/RF 0 256 DCA /E
Y9 B9 ML EL HL KL QL G9 TL SL XL VC WC LC UC OC
14JUL FRI EVN/Z‡4 WAW/-2
1LO 730 C9 D9 Z9 EVNWAW 0530 0725 7M8 M/RF 0 X247 DCA /E
FL Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 SL XL VC WC LC UC OC
1LO 730 C9 D9 Z9 EVNWAW 0530 0725 7M8 M/RF 0 X247 DCA /E
FL Y9 B9 M9 E9 H9 K9 Q9 G9 T9 SL XL VC WC LC UC OC
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