New hub in Poland (?) [CPK discussion]
Sep 28, 2017, 5:48 am
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And I don't think they have such a big operations footprint anyway. Maintenance, catering etc have been spun and sold off a while ago.
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Jan 16, 2018, 1:49 pm
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Slightly off-topic but plans for an imminent expansion of WAW (a gentle reminder to all users not to mention the O-kęcie word from now on! 
) —pending approval from the Ministry of Defence (the helicopter stand will have to be relocated)— have been announced earlier today: a larger non-Schengen’s section as well as the expansion of the southern part of the terminal and 40 new stands (let us hope for as many jetbridges as possible) amongst others, forming a project which should soon be put into practice.
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) —pending approval from the Ministry of Defence (the helicopter stand will have to be relocated)— have been announced earlier today: a larger non-Schengen’s section as well as the expansion of the southern part of the terminal and 40 new stands (let us hope for as many jetbridges as possible) amongst others, forming a project which should soon be put into practice.G
Jan 16, 2018, 7:45 pm
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Slightly off-topic but plans for an imminent expansion of WAW (a gentle reminder to all users not to mention the O-kęcie word from now on! ) —pending approval from the Ministry of Defence (the helicopter stand will have to be relocated)— have been announced earlier today: a larger non-Schengen’s section as well as the expansion of the southern part of the terminal and 40 new stands (let us hope for as many jetbridges as possible) amongst others, forming a project which should soon be put into practice.
) —pending approval from the Ministry of Defence (the helicopter stand will have to be relocated)— have been announced earlier today: a larger non-Schengen’s section as well as the expansion of the southern part of the terminal and 40 new stands (let us hope for as many jetbridges as possible) amongst others, forming a project which should soon be put into practice.
Jan 17, 2018, 12:52 am
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An expansion of WAW most certainly pushes the new airport back for a few years. In October I had the pleasure of two 4h transit in WAW and walked the concourse to look at where they could expand. I think there is plenty of space in the north to extend the non-schengen pier almost all the way upto the GA terminal and in the south the cargo building could be moved to extend that pier by 10-15 gates. I don't see how/why the military base has to move...? Unless they insist on access to the runway, where an extension of the non schengen section would be in the way. Do they even have fixed wing aircraft based there? Isn't it all helicopters?
Jan 17, 2018, 3:43 am
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An expansion of WAW most certainly pushes the new airport back for a few years. In October I had the pleasure of two 4h transit in WAW and walked the concourse to look at where they could expand. I think there is plenty of space in the north to extend the non-schengen pier almost all the way upto the GA terminal and in the south the cargo building could be moved to extend that pier by 10-15 gates. I don't see how/why the military base has to move...? Unless they insist on access to the runway, where an extension of the non schengen section would be in the way. Do they even have fixed wing aircraft based there? Isn't it all helicopters?
The military handles all the VIP traffic, so it's not only helis.
In other news, PPL (the authority behind WAW and probably CPL) is signing a letter of intent to expand RDO as a 'second' airport for Warsaw to serve lower yield traffic (at a cost of up to 1b PLN). If you're wondering why the hell would they do that if WMI is operational then you're not alone :-). But you also probably don't have public money to spend on a power play.
Jan 17, 2018, 4:28 am
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Pure politics a la polonaise. The ruling party has no control over WMI (its majority shareholder is the Mazovia province, which is not ruled by the Law and Justice Party; government-controlled PPL having a minority of shares still allows them to block investments, though), and if they can't fully control something, they want it destroyed. RDO on the other hand was created because the mayor of Radom, a Law and Justice politician, had this idee fixe.
Jan 17, 2018, 4:57 am
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Pure politics a la polonaise. The ruling party has no control over WMI (its majority shareholder is the Mazovia province, which is not ruled by the Law and Justice Party; government-controlled PPL having a minority of shares still allows them to block investments, though), and if they can't fully control something, they want it destroyed. RDO on the other hand was created because the mayor of Radom, a Law and Justice politician, had this idee fixe.
The trouble is that any business decision needs to be fully agreed upon by all the shareholders, so even a minority can hold the whole enterprise hostage.
Having been played by Ryanair also doesn't help, but as a very special moment - nobody is even pointing finger at a physical person for it (probably because of the previous sentence).
Jan 17, 2018, 9:49 am
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Jan 17, 2018, 9:55 am
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From your post I thought you were saying that RDO was not just about PiS but also FR.
I don’t feel Ryanair have done anything untoward in Poland. There’s no business case to fly to many of these provincial cities. If you want them to come, pay them. They’re cheaper than paying for LOT and bring more pax!
I don’t feel Ryanair have done anything untoward in Poland. There’s no business case to fly to many of these provincial cities. If you want them to come, pay them. They’re cheaper than paying for LOT and bring more pax!
Jan 17, 2018, 10:38 am
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I'm not a fan of FR myself, but they contract required two signatures, so I'd like the public figures to be held accountable (which I believe includes PPL as a stakeholder).
The problem is that with the money FR pays per pax in WMI isn't really enough to keep the airport running longer term (to cover necessary investment in infrastructure) and also guarantees an uphill battle for any competition that the airport may hope to attract.
The problem is that with the money FR pays per pax in WMI isn't really enough to keep the airport running longer term (to cover necessary investment in infrastructure) and also guarantees an uphill battle for any competition that the airport may hope to attract.