Nov 18, 2013, 3:46 pm
Last edit by: Kat007
First Class elimination:
FRA-DXB as of 01JUN14
FRA-SEA as of 01JUL14
FRA-NRT as of Summer 2014
FRA-KIX
FRA-MCO
Cancelled destinations:
2014
Nizhny Novgorod/GOJ
Ekaterinburg
Khartoum
Ho Chi Minh
Busan
2013
Kazan
Perm
Libreville
Pointe Noire
2012
Rostov
Kolkata
Guangzhou
Calgary
2011
Hyderabad
FRA-DXB as of 01JUN14
FRA-SEA as of 01JUL14
FRA-NRT as of Summer 2014
FRA-KIX
FRA-MCO
Cancelled destinations:
2014
Nizhny Novgorod/GOJ
Ekaterinburg
Khartoum
Ho Chi Minh
Busan
2013
Kazan
Perm
Libreville
Pointe Noire
2012
Rostov
Kolkata
Guangzhou
Calgary
2011
Hyderabad
Lufthansa New/Cancelled Routes and Changes
Jul 31, 2014, 6:26 am
#151
Join Date: Sep 2013
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According to: http://airlineroute.net/2014/07/31/lh-hnd-w14/
Jul 31, 2014, 7:09 am
#152
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Lufthansa starting 26OCT14 will begin Boeing 747-8I operations on Frankfurt – Tokyo Haneda, the airline announced today (31JUL14). Reservations in the GDS has been reflected approximately after 0700hrs GMT. With the introduction of Boeing 747-8I service, LH will also begin to offer Premium Economy Class on this route from 10DEC14.
LH716 FRA1800 – 1305+1HND 74H D
LH717 HND1520 – 1900FRA 74H D
LH716 FRA1800 – 1305+1HND 74H D
LH717 HND1520 – 1900FRA 74H D
Aug 3, 2014, 10:04 pm
#154
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: GRR, USA
Posts: 3,298
So that's how rumours work, huh? Any source for what you're saying?
All that's known is that LH are reducing their JFK service in January due to seasonal low demand. http://airlineroute.net/2014/07/09/lh-frajfk-w14/
LH abandoning JFK will not happen.
All that's known is that LH are reducing their JFK service in January due to seasonal low demand. http://airlineroute.net/2014/07/09/lh-frajfk-w14/
LH abandoning JFK will not happen.
Source? yes. As close as to route management as anyone not working for the airline can get to.
Last edited by LufthansaFlyer; Aug 3, 2014 at 10:14 pm
Aug 3, 2014, 10:10 pm
#155
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: GRR, USA
Posts: 3,298
What! Say it isn't so! LH abandoning JFK!!??
FRA/JFK is not profitable? Really? Wow. 2 flights per day for so many years, and they have been losing money? (I assume if the route is not profitable it must not have been for quite some time, as pricing has not changed significantly in the past few years at least). Or have loads deteriorated significantly in the recent past (I haven't noticed, but I fly this route less often than I used to)? LH can't make a route 7 hours from their biggest hub to the airport closest to the biggest financial and business center in the Americas (and one of the biggest in the world) work?
The onward connection argument with UA I might buy, but OTOH, there is already IAD, IAH, ORD, and DEN (and even SFO) for *A connections.
EWR is in general not more convenient to reach from NYC than JFK (at least from most places in NYC not on Staten Island). I wonder what would stimulate LH to give up such a good position at JFK or why they can't compete from there.
Is LH getting a better deal from the Port Authority to use EWR than they do from JFK, or are new competitors are killing their loads ex-JFK? I suppose there are probably other carriers who wouldn't taking over the prime spot LH has in T1 at JFK. Or maybe there are simply a lot of LH customers in New Jersey...
I find it a little kit difficult to follow why JFK is suddenly so unattractive as a destination for LH that they want to drop it from their schedule. If LH is really abandoning JFK, does this mean they are going to rename -MH as the "Newark"...
?
I must be some information missing here...
FRA/JFK is not profitable? Really? Wow. 2 flights per day for so many years, and they have been losing money? (I assume if the route is not profitable it must not have been for quite some time, as pricing has not changed significantly in the past few years at least). Or have loads deteriorated significantly in the recent past (I haven't noticed, but I fly this route less often than I used to)? LH can't make a route 7 hours from their biggest hub to the airport closest to the biggest financial and business center in the Americas (and one of the biggest in the world) work?
The onward connection argument with UA I might buy, but OTOH, there is already IAD, IAH, ORD, and DEN (and even SFO) for *A connections.
EWR is in general not more convenient to reach from NYC than JFK (at least from most places in NYC not on Staten Island). I wonder what would stimulate LH to give up such a good position at JFK or why they can't compete from there.
Is LH getting a better deal from the Port Authority to use EWR than they do from JFK, or are new competitors are killing their loads ex-JFK? I suppose there are probably other carriers who wouldn't taking over the prime spot LH has in T1 at JFK. Or maybe there are simply a lot of LH customers in New Jersey...
I find it a little kit difficult to follow why JFK is suddenly so unattractive as a destination for LH that they want to drop it from their schedule. If LH is really abandoning JFK, does this mean they are going to rename -MH as the "Newark"...
?I must be some information missing here...
With nearly all UA take off and landings in the NYC metro area happening at EWR, it definitely makes better sense to cut loss leaders like JFK and focus LH efforts to EWR.
Also, next year you'll see Austrian move to daily EWR-VIE service from a current frequency of 5/week which will add more capacity for LH group.
If you've read the fine print in recent LH filings and earnings reports, you'll see a focus on load reduction and some consolidation. JFK/EWR is a perfect microcosm of their initiatives.
Last edited by LufthansaFlyer; Aug 4, 2014 at 12:10 am
Sep 28, 2014, 4:15 am
#158
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Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: HaMerkaz/Exit 145
Programs: UA, LY, BA, AA
Posts: 13,167
What! Say it isn't so! LH abandoning JFK!!??
FRA/JFK is not profitable? Really? Wow. 2 flights per day for so many years, and they have been losing money? (I assume if the route is not profitable it must not have been for quite some time, as pricing has not changed significantly in the past few years at least). Or have loads deteriorated significantly in the recent past (I haven't noticed, but I fly this route less often than I used to)? LH can't make a route 7 hours from their biggest hub to the airport closest to the biggest financial and business center in the Americas (and one of the biggest in the world) work?
The onward connection argument with UA I might buy, but OTOH, there is already IAD, IAH, ORD, and DEN (and even SFO) for *A connections.
EWR is in general not more convenient to reach from NYC than JFK (at least from most places in NYC not on Staten Island). I wonder what would stimulate LH to give up such a good position at JFK or why they can't compete from there.
Is LH getting a better deal from the Port Authority to use EWR than they do from JFK, or are new competitors are killing their loads ex-JFK? I suppose there are probably other carriers who wouldn't taking over the prime spot LH has in T1 at JFK. Or maybe there are simply a lot of LH customers in New Jersey...
I find it a little kit difficult to follow why JFK is suddenly so unattractive as a destination for LH that they want to drop it from their schedule. If LH is really abandoning JFK, does this mean they are going to rename -MH as the "Newark"...?
I must be some information missing here...
FRA/JFK is not profitable? Really? Wow. 2 flights per day for so many years, and they have been losing money? (I assume if the route is not profitable it must not have been for quite some time, as pricing has not changed significantly in the past few years at least). Or have loads deteriorated significantly in the recent past (I haven't noticed, but I fly this route less often than I used to)? LH can't make a route 7 hours from their biggest hub to the airport closest to the biggest financial and business center in the Americas (and one of the biggest in the world) work?
The onward connection argument with UA I might buy, but OTOH, there is already IAD, IAH, ORD, and DEN (and even SFO) for *A connections.
EWR is in general not more convenient to reach from NYC than JFK (at least from most places in NYC not on Staten Island). I wonder what would stimulate LH to give up such a good position at JFK or why they can't compete from there.
Is LH getting a better deal from the Port Authority to use EWR than they do from JFK, or are new competitors are killing their loads ex-JFK? I suppose there are probably other carriers who wouldn't taking over the prime spot LH has in T1 at JFK. Or maybe there are simply a lot of LH customers in New Jersey...
I find it a little kit difficult to follow why JFK is suddenly so unattractive as a destination for LH that they want to drop it from their schedule. If LH is really abandoning JFK, does this mean they are going to rename -MH as the "Newark"...
?I must be some information missing here...
Couple that with public transportation that allows you to take NJT to EWR and then AirTrain, and eventually PATH directly from the WTC to EWR.
Sep 28, 2014, 7:08 am
#159
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Location: BSL/FRA or PHL
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Posts: 2,335
I disagree. For the main business centers (midtown and downtown), I think EWR is easier to get. The traffic just isn't the same as the traffic you face on the Van Wyck.
Couple that with public transportation that allows you to take NJT to EWR and then AirTrain, and eventually PATH directly from the WTC to EWR.
Couple that with public transportation that allows you to take NJT to EWR and then AirTrain, and eventually PATH directly from the WTC to EWR.
I find public transit from Penn Station to be about a wash, though LIRR trains to Jamaica station are more frequent than the NJT trains that stop at EWR, and platform-to-check-in-counter time to JFK is a little bit shorter vs. EWR, IME.
When the Van Wyck gets ugly, it gets VERY ugly, but on average I find it less bad than battling my way into NJ (a strange concept, I know, battling to get INTO NJ...
).I I am really honest about it, I am not sure the difference between getting to JFK or EWR from Midtown it all THAT big anyway, when one really considers overall transit time. I tend to prefer a later evening departure, which when I am flying *A to FRA typically means LH405, SQ25, or if it is cheaper, LH403, so in that sense EWR loses out to JFK on the basis of departure times. Maybe that explains my bias.
What worries me the most is that if LH cuts NYC service to 2x daily, they will kill off the late-evening departure (LH405) which is my favorite service ex-NYC. As I am no longer based in NYC, it is now only an issue for me a few times per year anyway.
Sep 28, 2014, 10:29 am
#160
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Location: HaMerkaz/Exit 145
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It's incredible how hard it is to find the Seinfeld clip of "Nobody beats the Van Wyck!"
I think once the PATH extends and the Pulaski is complete, transport to EWR will be significantly improved.
With UA at EWR, I do believe *A will move more flights from JFK to EWR to sync with UA though
I think once the PATH extends and the Pulaski is complete, transport to EWR will be significantly improved.
With UA at EWR, I do believe *A will move more flights from JFK to EWR to sync with UA though
Sep 29, 2014, 12:11 pm
#161
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: FUK/Fukuoka
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Not LH but Miles and More partner Condor will be starting nonstop service FRA-Portland, Oregon (PDX) in summer 2015. Lufthansa used to fly this route until 2009.
http://www.airliners.de/condor-kuend...tland-an/33493
http://www.airliners.de/condor-kuend...tland-an/33493
Oct 9, 2014, 10:56 am
#162
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: LAX/BUR
Posts: 2,012
FRA-LAX switching from 748i to Airbus A380?
Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but just noticed when booking a flight in April 2015 the aircraft shows Airbus A380 for Frankfurt - Los Angeles. Expertflyer also shows updated.