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-   -   Rideshare at LAX (Uber/Lyft) (https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/los-angeles/1989926-rideshare-lax-uber-lyft.html)

radiowell Aug 25, 2015 3:38 pm
Mixed feeling. On the one hand, I'm glad to see them getting it handed to the taxi companies. On the other hand, I already detest the LAX traffic, but if Uber et al are free to enter (pick up) in addition to all the <redacted by moderator> that is going on at LAX... (remember, it's not like a mass transit where a bus/train will take tens if not hundreds of cars off the terminal road).

bzcat Aug 25, 2015 5:12 pm
I believe the proposal says Uber cars has to wait at the cell phone lot until they have a confirmed fare. It would be terrible if they just circle endlessly around the horseshoe. I'm not sure how you enforce the rule since LAX doesn't have electronic transponders. Maybe they can install license plate cameras?

radiowell Aug 25, 2015 5:30 pm
Originally Posted by bzcat (Post 25327724)
I believe the proposal says Uber cars has to wait at the cell phone lot until they have a confirmed fare. It would be terrible if they just circle endlessly around the horseshoe. I'm not sure how you enforce the rule since LAX doesn't have electronic transponders. Maybe they can install license plate cameras?
This is exactly what I am afraid of.

TWA884 Aug 25, 2015 5:45 pm
Originally Posted by radiowell (Post 25327790)
Originally Posted by bzcat (Post 25327724)
I believe the proposal says Uber cars has to wait at the cell phone lot until they have a confirmed fare. It would be terrible if they just circle endlessly around the horseshoe. I'm not sure how you enforce the rule since LAX doesn't have electronic transponders. Maybe they can install license plate cameras?
This is exactly what I am afraid of.
From the article I liked above:
The companies must be able to prove that their apps can provide data the city seeks, including the number of trips that their drivers take onto airport property and how many cars are inside the terminal area at any given time.
In addition, as reported in an older article linked earlier in this thread, Uber and Lyft drivers will only be able to drop off and pick up passengers on the upper roadway.
The document also proposes a "geofence" along the LAX perimeter that would tell the airport when ride hail drivers entered, dropped someone off, picked someone up and left again.

Drivers would be required to wait in a nearby parking lot for fares and then would be restricted to the departure level for pickups and drop-offs, meaning passengers who arrive at LAX would have to go up to the second floor to catch a ride. Drivers would also be restricted from parking and waiting within two miles of the perimeter.

darthbimmer Aug 25, 2015 11:31 pm
Originally Posted by bzcat (Post 25327724)
I believe the proposal says Uber cars has to wait at the cell phone lot until they have a confirmed fare. It would be terrible if they just circle endlessly around the horseshoe. I'm not sure how you enforce the rule since LAX doesn't have electronic transponders. Maybe they can install license plate cameras?
For SFO, Uber modified its system not to route requests to drivers on airport grounds. Thus drivers who want to wait for a fare request wait somewhere outside the established perimeter instead of circling the airport's busy loop roads. It should be simple for Uber to do the same kind of thing at LAX.

TWA884 Aug 26, 2015 7:32 pm
In the Los Angeles Times:

TWA884 Aug 27, 2015 10:43 am
FAQ: What you need to know about LAX ridesharing

<snip>

Q: So when will they begin picking up passengers?

The soonest would probably be in a month. None of the companies have actually submitted applications yet, and the airport estimates that it could take up to 30 days to approve an application after it's submitted.

Additionally, in order to have their applications approved, companies must demonstrate that they are able to track their cars using a digital geo-fence designed by the company that would monitor the vehicles as they enter and leave the airport. None of the rideshare companies have their geo-fence technology ready to go for LAX, though it is similar to systems set up for airports in Orange County, San Diego and San Francisco.

Q: What does the geo-fence do?

The geo-fence is intended to ensure that a limited number of rideshare cars are operating at the airport at any one time to avoid traffic problems. This is similar to restrictions placed on the city's 2,300 taxis; a cab can only operate at LAX once every five days, although they can serve passengers there for the entire day.

To enter the geo-fenced area around LAX, rideshare cars must prove they are carrying a customer or that they accepted a request from a passenger waiting inside LAX.

Ride requests from inside the geo-fenced area of LAX will only go to cars parked in a designated holding zone that will cap the number of cars at 40 for any given time.

<snip>

Q: What if I want to use a service like UberPool? How will the extra charge be divvied up?

Services that allow passengers to split the bill for a ride will not be permitted under the airport's licensing agreement, so you won't be able to hail a ride from the airport using UberPool.

Passengers who join an UberPool ride to LAX will have the extra fee divided with the remaining passengers.

<snip>

josephstern Sep 2, 2015 10:34 am
Originally Posted by bzcat (Post 25215163)
One of the issue with Uber and Lyft is that the drivers can see where you are going before they accept your request so they can cheery pick the passengers. I use Uber frequently so I'm not a hater... but I certainly understand the concern that taxi drivers have about this uneven competitive landscape - i.e. taxi drivers cannot choose their fare... they must drive you to your destination after you get in the cab.
You have the option to enter your destination. It's not required.

An Uber driver can decide to accept the fare or not based on several factors, including your destination (or lack thereof, if you didn't input it) and your Uber rating (passengers are rated by other drivers).

Dunbar Sep 2, 2015 4:19 pm
My understanding is that Uber/Lyft drivers have no idea where you are going until they start the ride once you've gotten in the car.

I had an Uber XL driver who has the proper insurance/permit to do LAX pickups. He said that they have to go to a specific area near LAX to get assigned an airport pickup by Uber. So I'd say the geo-fence technology is already in place.

This is going to be a game changer for west siders. I walked across Sepulveda and took Lyft from LAX to north Santa Monica on Sunday and it cost $17 taking Lincoln the whole way (405 was too slow.) Basically my break even point for parking vs. Uber/Lyft is 3 days. I've paid $40-50 for a cab on that same route running the meter.

IceTrojan Sep 2, 2015 5:09 pm
Originally Posted by Dunbar (Post 25368684)
My understanding is that Uber/Lyft drivers have no idea where you are going until they start the ride once you've gotten in the car.
If the pax chooses to enter the destination (e.g., in the Fare Quote screen), the driver will receive that info. But if the pax just requests a ride, the default is that no destination is inputted, nor is it required.

owflyer Sep 2, 2015 8:39 pm
If in a hurry or expensing I always take a cab, if not I take the first Century Blvd. hotel shuttle that shows up and get on; request Uber on shuttle and often waiting when I step off - just verify if inside GeoFence or not. (see below)

If seeking IN N OUT, I just take the LAX Shuttle C and walk the rest of the way; have a burger and request Uber from 9149 S. Supulveda, 90045.

Note that the IN N OUT address at 9149 S. Supulveda, 90045 is located within the LAX GeoFence.

The GeoFence is the non shaded area encompassing LAX in the pic below; you will have a very difficult time or long wait requesting non TCP vehicles if inside the GeoFence. The simple solution is to move the request pin outside the area, request car and update driver with actual location. As long as you are not actually inside LAX, the driver will come to requested address.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/membe...lax-gfence.png

Once LAX pickups are allowed, I will probably walk to T1 or T7 for a quicker pickup and exit from the airport.

Dunbar Sep 3, 2015 11:57 am
Originally Posted by IceTrojan (Post 25368888)
If the pax chooses to enter the destination (e.g., in the Fare Quote screen), the driver will receive that info. But if the pax just requests a ride, the default is that no destination is inputted, nor is it required.
I'm virtually certain the driver cannot see the destination, even if you enter an address, until they pick the person up and start the ride. Uber/Lyft don't want drivers cherry picking only the good rides.

BTW, I moved the pin just across Sepulveda on Century and it worked with Lyft (no Uberx available at the time.)

ralphs Oct 7, 2015 4:00 pm
Is UberX pickup from LAX live yet?

josephstern Oct 7, 2015 10:21 pm
I did an XL from there last week, so I assume so.

Dunbar Oct 11, 2015 8:29 pm
I don't think it's allowed yet with UberX. I had an XL driver who told me he could pick up from LAX (he had a TCP license.)


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