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Originally Posted by Kacee
(Post 37434943)
Plus one more: corruption.
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Originally Posted by TWA884
(Post 37434091)
That's the plan once the APM is operational.
ITF East already houses the LAX/Metro Transit Center; once the APM goes into service, it will be the location for private vehicle pick-up/drop-off, LAX FlyAway and charter buses, In the future, a second economy parking structure will be built there. ITF West already has the original economy parking facility; in the future, it will serve as the hotel shuttles, rideshare and taxi pick-up/drop-off point. |
Originally Posted by josephstern
(Post 37435260)
So what traffic will still go into the horseshoe besides cars parking in the terminal lots?
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From LAist:
What’s behind the latest LAX People Mover delay? An L.A. County Civil Grand Jury report released earlier this year claimed that LINXS has used the dispute resolution process and “political pressures” to force contract extensions and additional compensation throughout the design and construction process. --- In February, staff from city agencies directed LINXS to repair faulty equipment in a metering cabinet, according to a summary of the dispute and findings by a third-party evaluator. While the type of equipment isn’t specified, it’s likely related to measuring the power distributed throughout the system. Power was partially shut down during the period of repair work, which lasted until July 2025. That power shut-off delayed critical testing of the technology that allows for central control of the train’s systems, according to the third-party evaluator. --- Construction on the project is nearly complete, and most of the current work is focused on testing and ensuring all the parts of the system work together. In November, Fluor, one of the companies that makes up LINXS, reported to investors that they can expect the Automated People Mover to “reach substantial completion over [the] next 3 quarters.” |
What's not covered enough is the massive inflation in cost per enplanement that all travelers will be paying for decades to come, and will certainly not help LAX's demand prospects. These construction costs all feel like imaginary numbers as the costs become buried in escalating fares over years.
LAX cost per enplanement was $23.27 in 2022 and forecast to be $60.72 in 2034, more than 8% CAGR over 12 years. This forecast 2034 CPE is ~50% higher than the forecast CPEs in ORD and SFO. And this is just the forecast... Source is p254: https://dwuconsulting.com/images/OS/...25ABC%20OS.pdf, and CPE comparisons https://www.dwuconsulting.com/airpor.../large-hub/cpe For a tiny fraction of the $1B I wish LAWA would simply invest in signs showing accurate travel times to the horseshoe near all ingress roadways. Give people enough time to realize when there is traffic to divert the dropoff to the APM station. The problem is the horseshoe is not gridlocked many times of the day, so most people will continue to use it vs the guaranteed inconvenience of a remote dropoff point. Then once a car approaches the horseshoe, when there is lots of traffic, it is often too late to divert or drivers treat the lost time as a sunk cost, underestimate remaining travel time, and don't bother turning around. |
I crawled through the horseshoe twice on the evening of Friday, November 14. I was picking up my daughters, and I could not believe how slow the crawl was. I think start to finish each time, just within the horseshoe, was around 45 minutes.
Meanwhile, the people mover stations and tracks just sit up there, looking ready to go. But for some reason, they are nowhere near ready to go. Sheesh. |
Originally Posted by dhuey
(Post 37448407)
I crawled through the horseshoe twice on the evening of Friday, November 14. I was picking up my daughters, and I could not believe how slow the crawl was. I think start to finish each time, just within the horseshoe, was around 45 minutes.
Meanwhile, the people mover stations and tracks just sit up there, looking ready to go. But for some reason, they are nowhere near ready to go. Sheesh. Unless your daughters only arrive at TBIT, East Way, West Way, and Center Way offer shortcuts to skip parts of or escape the horseshoe. The people mover is actually a public art project to create a monument to the futility of dreaming of a better future. |
Originally Posted by chrisl137
(Post 37458369)
The people mover is actually a public
David |
Originally Posted by chrisl137
(Post 37458369)
Unless your daughters only arrive at TBIT, East Way, West Way, and Center Way offer shortcuts to skip parts of or escape the horseshoe.
But getting into them is not always possible when everything is clogged up. |
So what's to happen with LAX airport traffic coming off/going to the 105 as well as traffic coming from/to the South Bay in the picture above? Compare current vs. future...
Wow. Wow. Wow. David |
Originally Posted by DELee
(Post 37458374)
FTFY.
David |
Originally Posted by chrisl137
(Post 37458420)
Except it's never going to work. At the rate they're going it's more likely to just remain a giant sculpture.
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Originally Posted by lrdpenn
(Post 36319344)
In their political minds it's probably all acceptable as long as it opens before the olympics. Who cares about the people who actually need to make use of it frequently.
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 37416460)
I did the transfer today from the *A lounge to the United Club. It’s still a hike from TBIT to the bus stop, but shockingly the signs are up and clear - but also wrong.
The signs have the bus going to terminal 6 then terminal 8 - but they actually only go to terminal 6. It's been over a month, but do you recall where to catch the airside transfer in T4 and T6 ? Was it all the way to the furthest end of each terminal? |
Originally Posted by former1k
(Post 37486971)
It's been over a month, but do you recall where to catch the airside transfer in T4 and T6 ? Was it all the way to the furthest end of each terminal?
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