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Or we can just walk around with those stupid Metaverse goggles and pretend it's already here.
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 37384255)
While completely devoid of color, I’m looking forward to the year 2367 when it opens.
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Has anyone confirmed if the terminal connector tunnel will be closed during construction? T5 was the only terminal that was entirely underground, so it should be OK unless they are worried about it collapsing. I assume the new terminal will have a walkway at concourse level in the front, like there is between T6 and T7?? I enjoyed taking many trips between TBIT and T7 over the years, mainly for lounge access and to get some exercise before a long flight.
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Kind of wild LAWA opened MSC South with almost zero fanfare. I don't even think they did a separate press release on the opening, they just mentioned it in the T5 closure press release. It doesn't appear that they organized any media events, tour for bloggers/reporters, etc. Seems like LAWA is almost embarassed of MSC South.
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Originally Posted by BillBurn
(Post 37387861)
Kind of wild LAWA opened MSC South with almost zero fanfare. I don't even think they did a separate press release on the opening, they just mentioned it in the T5 closure press release. It doesn't appear that they organized any media events, tour for bloggers/reporters, etc. Seems like LAWA is almost embarassed of MSC South.
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Originally Posted by downinit
(Post 37386173)
Has anyone confirmed if the terminal connector tunnel will be closed during construction? T5 was the only terminal that was entirely underground, so it should be OK unless they are worried about it collapsing. I assume the new terminal will have a walkway at concourse level in the front, like there is between T6 and T7?? I enjoyed taking many trips between TBIT and T7 over the years, mainly for lounge access and to get some exercise before a long flight.
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Just did the trek from T6 to T4. The bus pretty much left as soon as I got on. I felt like the whole journey took a few minutes. I was trying to go from the United Polaris lounge to the Star alliance lounge in TBIT. It took me 26 minutes (full disclosure, I walk fast)
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I did the transfer today from the *A lounge to the United Club. It’s still a hike from TBIT to the bus stop, but shockingly the signs are up and clear - but also wrong.
The signs have the bus going to terminal 6 then terminal 8 - but they actually only go to terminal 6. It took me about 40 minutes total because I had to wait awhile for the transfer bus, it’s not nearly as frequent as the AA regional concourse bus. The plus side vs walking the tunnel is a street level view of the passing planes. Given this project will finish just in time for the 2034 Winter Olympics, the bus is something I can get used to. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5632413a0.jpeg |
Arrived 3 hours early for an AS int'l flight to have time to enjoy the lounges. Entered at T4 with Clear, took 5 minutes to get through. Headed directly to Qantas lounge for some food. Headed back to T6 via T4. There were about 13 people in line for the shuttle to T6 when I arrived. The AA birds near shuttle delart s first, but the T4-T6 shuttle took about 10 minutes after I arrived to depart. 10 minutes later, I was at T6. Still no discernable TSA lines at LAX , but the T4-T6 shuttle is manageable as long as you have at least 30 minutes to spare
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A comprehensive analysis of the mostly nonsensical LAWA proposal to completely redo the access road despite C0 and T9 being permanently on hold (and may never happen)
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Originally Posted by bzcat
(Post 37422998)
proposal to completely redo the access road despite C0 and T9 being
permanently on hold (and may never happen) ⁉️ |
I agree that it doesn't seem to make sense to green light this road reconfiguration until A) they are sure they are actually going to build C0 and C9 B) they finalize the designs of C0 and C9 (what if they want to change the design such that it requires a new roadway config? eg MSC South looks a lot different from the inital design) C) they are 100% confident it won't create problems during the Olympics D) they have some experience with what the actual impact of the people mover et. al. is on traffic within the horseshoe (which one would think could inform the roadway design decisions to some extent).
All this has to be apparent to the LAWA staff as well. One reason I could see them wanting to push ahead is if there was some kind of federal grant money that will expire if they don't start construction. Does anyone know if that's the case? Otherwise this seems like pretty ill-advised timing. |
Originally Posted by BillBurn
(Post 37424455)
I agree that it doesn't seem to make sense to green light this road reconfiguration until A) they are sure they are actually going to build C0 and C9 B) they finalize the designs of C0 and C9 (what if they want to change the design such that it requires a new roadway config? eg MSC South looks a lot different from the inital design) C) they are 100% confident it won't create problems during the Olympics D) they have some experience with what the actual impact of the people mover et. al. is on traffic within the horseshoe (which one would think could inform the roadway design decisions to some extent).
All this has to be apparent to the LAWA staff as well. One reason I could see them wanting to push ahead is if there was some kind of federal grant money that will expire if they don't start construction. Does anyone know if that's the case? Otherwise this seems like pretty ill-advised timing. The biggest issue to me is that the EIR clearly projects that this will make traffic worse in the horseshoe... And it is obvious if you really think about it. The vehicle capacity of the horseshoe is limited - you can't add anymore lanes or create anymore curb drop off real estate. So allowing more cars into the horseshoe (which is what this project sole intent now that C0 and T9 are cancelled) is going to inevitably result in more congestion inside. It's kind of idiotic to continue pursuing this project. LAWA should be designing the roadways access to reduce demand, not encourage it. Let the Peoplemover work for a few years and then study the traffic pattern. Implement congestion pricing so traffic doesn't exceed the holding capacity of the horseshoe. |
Originally Posted by bzcat
(Post 37426220)
I'm pretty sure the project is to be funded from LAWA revenue entirely.
The biggest issue to me is that the EIR clearly projects that this will make traffic worse in the horseshoe... And it is obvious if you really think about it. The vehicle capacity of the horseshoe is limited - you can't add anymore lanes or create anymore curb drop off real estate. So allowing more cars into the horseshoe (which is what this project sole intent now that C0 and T9 are cancelled) is going to inevitably result in more congestion inside. It's kind of idiotic to continue pursuing this project. LAWA should be designing the roadways access to reduce demand, not encourage it. Let the Peoplemover work for a few years and then study the traffic pattern. Implement congestion pricing so traffic doesn't exceed the holding capacity of the horseshoe. David |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 37416460)
I did the transfer today from the *A lounge to the United Club. It’s still a hike from TBIT to the bus stop, but shockingly the signs are up and clear - but also wrong.
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