Jan 23, 2024, 9:45 am
LAX Terminal Construction and Landside Access Modernization Program
Aug 20, 2024 | 11:08 pm
#286
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5 min will be extremely long head way for airport shuttle. For LAX, I think they should aim for 60 seconds peak and 180 seconds off peak.
I think they have purchased enough train cars to run 4-cars at peak but we will see. This APM line will have extremely high ridership from day 1.
I think they have purchased enough train cars to run 4-cars at peak but we will see. This APM line will have extremely high ridership from day 1.
LAX is probably the airport with the longest passenger operating hours in the US. It's almost silly to separate "peak" vs "non-peak" given the APM needs to serve arriving and departing passengers (it will connect to metro, consolidated rental car, passenger dropoff/pickup, etc.) The only quiet hours at LAX are like 130am to 430am. Their current "peak" cutoff I think starts too late and ends too early.
That too -- if you look at the construction webcam on the LAWA website, there are a few spots where the people mover guideway was clearly built out of alignment with the columns. How you mess that up with as many checks and reviews as would happen on a project of this scale is beyond me.
Aug 21, 2024 | 6:41 pm
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Everything I've seen so far has said 2 minute headway at peak hours, but without saying what those peak hours are.
"Peak" certainly runs at least til midnight. I get in at ~11pm pretty regularly and the airport is packed and they run insufficient buses out to the economy lot, so often they're full before they hit the south terminal complex. It got to where I have their phone number in my phone and just call as soon as a full bus blows past without an empty right behind it. They end up serving the south complex worse because people on the south side have to wait for a second bus to come (usually from the parking garage) and get all the way around. They should just be running twice as many buses, or run designated north and south complex buses from the structure whenever they're at peak.
The columns don't need to align with the guideway, they just need to transmit the load to the ground. It was built in an already fully developed area and "misaligned" columns are probably due to things that needed to be avoided on or under the ground.
"Peak" certainly runs at least til midnight. I get in at ~11pm pretty regularly and the airport is packed and they run insufficient buses out to the economy lot, so often they're full before they hit the south terminal complex. It got to where I have their phone number in my phone and just call as soon as a full bus blows past without an empty right behind it. They end up serving the south complex worse because people on the south side have to wait for a second bus to come (usually from the parking garage) and get all the way around. They should just be running twice as many buses, or run designated north and south complex buses from the structure whenever they're at peak.
The columns don't need to align with the guideway, they just need to transmit the load to the ground. It was built in an already fully developed area and "misaligned" columns are probably due to things that needed to be avoided on or under the ground.
And the misaligned columns I mention have finishes that don't align -- not sure how best to show what I'm referencing, and agree that presumably the columns are where they are to avoid underground, but these look much more like construction deficiencies than design choices. They're areas of exposed, unfinished concrete that are not present on most of the columns, where the column-guideway transition is smooth and flush.
Aug 24, 2024 | 11:53 am
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Final People Mover cars arrive at LAX in major milestone for delayed project
On Wednesday, Los Angeles World Airports announced that the final four train cars to be used on its People Mover track have arrived from their manufacturer in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
The system now includes 44 train cars, the first of which arrived more than two years ago.
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Wednesdays announcement was a refreshing good piece of news for a project that has made headlines for being both delayed and over budget.
The system now includes 44 train cars, the first of which arrived more than two years ago.
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Wednesdays announcement was a refreshing good piece of news for a project that has made headlines for being both delayed and over budget.
Aug 29, 2024 | 2:52 pm
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The new Terminal 4 headhouse and checkpoint are expected to open in November, and Concourse Zero is further delayed
https://www.flylax.com/-/media/flyla...july-2024.ashx
https://www.flylax.com/-/media/flyla...july-2024.ashx
Aug 29, 2024 | 6:09 pm
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The new Terminal 4 headhouse and checkpoint are expected to open in November, and Concourse Zero is further delayed
https://www.flylax.com/-/media/flyla...july-2024.ashx
https://www.flylax.com/-/media/flyla...july-2024.ashx
Aug 29, 2024 | 6:41 pm
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Aug 29, 2024 | 6:44 pm
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A bunch of space in all the new T4/T4.5 construction is going to remain inaccessible until construction is (close to) completion, there was a LAWA board report about it a few months back. It is/will be in use as swing space for displaced back-of-house spaces.
Sep 5, 2024 | 1:53 pm
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Per today's LAWA board meeting,T9 and C0 are indefinitely delayed.
Reason given is that demand hasn't rebounded as much as expected. Makes sense, I landed at T1 at 8pm a few weeks ago and the place was an absolute ghost town. Only one or two concessions still open and a handful of flights left on the board. Don't see how WN could fill up C0, and think the situation is similar for other carriers as well.
Reason given is that demand hasn't rebounded as much as expected. Makes sense, I landed at T1 at 8pm a few weeks ago and the place was an absolute ghost town. Only one or two concessions still open and a handful of flights left on the board. Don't see how WN could fill up C0, and think the situation is similar for other carriers as well.
Sep 6, 2024 | 12:45 pm
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Sep 6, 2024 | 9:53 pm
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Per today's LAWA board meeting,T9 and C0 are indefinitely delayed.
Reason given is that demand hasn't rebounded as much as expected. Makes sense, I landed at T1 at 8pm a few weeks ago and the place was an absolute ghost town. Only one or two concessions still open and a handful of flights left on the board. Don't see how WN could fill up C0, and think the situation is similar for other carriers as well.
Reason given is that demand hasn't rebounded as much as expected. Makes sense, I landed at T1 at 8pm a few weeks ago and the place was an absolute ghost town. Only one or two concessions still open and a handful of flights left on the board. Don't see how WN could fill up C0, and think the situation is similar for other carriers as well.
LAX shifts focus from terminal expansion to infrastructure updates as passenger forecasts drop
We previously expected 110 million passengers in 2028. We now expect slightly more than 90 million, Los Angeles World Airports Chief Executive John Ackerman said. While our traffics improving, its not improving at the rate that we need it to be successful. So we simply dont need additional capacity at this point. We dont need additional terminals we need to fix our core infrastructure.
Passenger counts have steadily gone up at LAX but still havent reached prepandemic levels. More than 75 million passengers traveled through LAX in 2023. By comparison, the airport saw more than 88 million passengers in 2019.
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Among the scrapped goals is a multibillion-dollar plan to build another terminal and develop a new concourse branching from Terminal 1. The project, which would have added more than 12 gates, was already behind schedule, with construction initially supposed to start in 2022 and wrap ahead of the 2028 Olympics. Ackerman said those projects will get built if and when demand supports their need.
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Christensen also addressed design plans to reconfigure access to the airport by adding ramps from Sepulveda Boulevard around the Hyatt Regency to 1 World Way with the hope of improving traffic flow. The goal would be for the bulk of that project to be done by the 2028 Olympics, but it would probably not be completed until later; details have not been finalized.
Passenger counts have steadily gone up at LAX but still havent reached prepandemic levels. More than 75 million passengers traveled through LAX in 2023. By comparison, the airport saw more than 88 million passengers in 2019.
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Among the scrapped goals is a multibillion-dollar plan to build another terminal and develop a new concourse branching from Terminal 1. The project, which would have added more than 12 gates, was already behind schedule, with construction initially supposed to start in 2022 and wrap ahead of the 2028 Olympics. Ackerman said those projects will get built if and when demand supports their need.
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Christensen also addressed design plans to reconfigure access to the airport by adding ramps from Sepulveda Boulevard around the Hyatt Regency to 1 World Way with the hope of improving traffic flow. The goal would be for the bulk of that project to be done by the 2028 Olympics, but it would probably not be completed until later; details have not been finalized.
Oct 3, 2024 | 7:59 pm
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Interesting. I just went by the Terminal 4 Concourse today and Phase 1 looks pretty far along. Apon complete and jetways fully installed. Not sure if it will open it at the same time they open the headhouse or eariler but it looks like it will be finished before then. The revised schedule in 2022 was to complete Phase one by end of 1H 2024, so I guess it will end up being a few months behind schedule.