NEW: KLM Economy Comfort!
Oct 14, 2009, 6:09 am
#46
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www.presslink.nl/klm
Either they have changed this press link or I am not looking properly (not unusual for me). I find images of House number 90 there.
Either they have changed this press link or I am not looking properly (not unusual for me). I find images of House number 90 there.
Oct 14, 2009, 10:07 am
#47
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www.presslink.nl/klm
Either they have changed this press link or I am not looking properly (not unusual for me). I find images of House number 90 there.
Either they have changed this press link or I am not looking properly (not unusual for me). I find images of House number 90 there.
Oct 14, 2009, 1:43 pm
#48
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Was burning a few leftover miles (haven't paid for a ticket with AFKL for a long time now, and certainly not planning to) this weekend.
YUL-AMS, MD11 PH-KCG (Maria Callas). I was expecting an upgrade (I'm still Gold) as I usually get always upgraded to C on that route but instead I got upgraded to Y+. No special signage or anything, but there was a lot more space!
This won't bring me back to AF/KL, but it made this last flight with KL more comfortable.
Ciao
YUL-AMS, MD11 PH-KCG (Maria Callas). I was expecting an upgrade (I'm still Gold) as I usually get always upgraded to C on that route but instead I got upgraded to Y+. No special signage or anything, but there was a lot more space!
This won't bring me back to AF/KL, but it made this last flight with KL more comfortable.
Ciao
Oct 15, 2009, 10:54 am
#49
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They have not released the product yet but are already reconfiguring planes.
Oct 15, 2009, 1:04 pm
#50
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These aircraft have been modified
According to my sources at KLM, the following 747's and MD11's have been modified for Economy Comfort.
This means the seat pitch has been increased and recline increased.
I hear that the first row behind Economy Comfort has slightly more pitch (but less than Y+ of course) to compensate for the extra recline of the seat in front of it.
The solution to the issue of not being able to view the PTV screen if the seat in front reclines too much is found in moving the pivot point from middle of the screen to the top of the screen - that way you can pull out the TV more and have a better view.
Interested to hear if this is indeed the case.
747: PH-BFC, BFK, BFM, BFR, BFV, BFW = 6 planes, leaving 16 not yet done.
MD-11: PH-KCA, KCC, KCD, KCE, KCF, KCH, KCK = 7 planes, leaving 3 not yet done.
A330 + 777's not done yet apparently.
This means the seat pitch has been increased and recline increased.
I hear that the first row behind Economy Comfort has slightly more pitch (but less than Y+ of course) to compensate for the extra recline of the seat in front of it.
The solution to the issue of not being able to view the PTV screen if the seat in front reclines too much is found in moving the pivot point from middle of the screen to the top of the screen - that way you can pull out the TV more and have a better view.
Interested to hear if this is indeed the case.
747: PH-BFC, BFK, BFM, BFR, BFV, BFW = 6 planes, leaving 16 not yet done.
MD-11: PH-KCA, KCC, KCD, KCE, KCF, KCH, KCK = 7 planes, leaving 3 not yet done.
A330 + 777's not done yet apparently.
Oct 15, 2009, 7:46 pm
#51
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According to my sources at KLM, the following 747's and MD11's have been modified for Economy Comfort.
This means the seat pitch has been increased and recline increased.
I hear that the first row behind Economy Comfort has slightly more pitch (but less than Y+ of course) to compensate for the extra recline of the seat in front of it.
The solution to the issue of not being able to view the PTV screen if the seat in front reclines too much is found in moving the pivot point from middle of the screen to the top of the screen - that way you can pull out the TV more and have a better view.
Interested to hear if this is indeed the case.
747: PH-BFC, BFK, BFM, BFR, BFV, BFW = 6 planes, leaving 16 not yet done.
MD-11: PH-KCA, KCC, KCD, KCE, KCF, KCH, KCK = 7 planes, leaving 3 not yet done.
A330 + 777's not done yet apparently.
This means the seat pitch has been increased and recline increased.
I hear that the first row behind Economy Comfort has slightly more pitch (but less than Y+ of course) to compensate for the extra recline of the seat in front of it.
The solution to the issue of not being able to view the PTV screen if the seat in front reclines too much is found in moving the pivot point from middle of the screen to the top of the screen - that way you can pull out the TV more and have a better view.
Interested to hear if this is indeed the case.
747: PH-BFC, BFK, BFM, BFR, BFV, BFW = 6 planes, leaving 16 not yet done.
MD-11: PH-KCA, KCC, KCD, KCE, KCF, KCH, KCK = 7 planes, leaving 3 not yet done.
A330 + 777's not done yet apparently.
Ciao
Oct 18, 2009, 11:23 am
#53
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God I hope they go for the hardshell. My main pain in economy is when there is a reclining seat in front - and it sounds like this could actually turn out to be WORSE in Economy "Comfort". But if the do a hard shell like AF and have a decent price, I'd be happy to switch back some business to KLM.
Oct 18, 2009, 11:54 am
#54
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It's not a hard shell (yet).
I hear it's 4 rows in MD11's (plus the 2 seater in row 7 on the right).
For 747's it will be the entire zone between doors 1L and 2L.
I hear it's 4 rows in MD11's (plus the 2 seater in row 7 on the right).
For 747's it will be the entire zone between doors 1L and 2L.
Oct 19, 2009, 7:39 am
#56
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Hi 005099,
Can't answer the 777 question, except for pointing to the earlier post that said that no 777's have been modified yet.
According to the info on KLM's website, starting in December, you will be able to do this online, upto 90 days before your flight. Apparently, you could already be able to do this over the phone or via a travel agent. I guess that they don't want to make it available online till most planes have been modified.
They also mention an option at OLCI, so if your plane has been converted, you will be able to take a comfort seat at that point.
Cheers,
GenevaFlyer
Can't answer the 777 question, except for pointing to the earlier post that said that no 777's have been modified yet.
They also mention an option at OLCI, so if your plane has been converted, you will be able to take a comfort seat at that point.
Cheers,
GenevaFlyer
Oct 19, 2009, 11:13 am
#57
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Hi 005099,
Can't answer the 777 question, except for pointing to the earlier post that said that no 777's have been modified yet.
According to the info on KLM's website, starting in December, you will be able to do this online, upto 90 days before your flight. Apparently, you could already be able to do this over the phone or via a travel agent. I guess that they don't want to make it available online till most planes have been modified.
They also mention an option at OLCI, so if your plane has been converted, you will be able to take a comfort seat at that point.
Cheers,
GenevaFlyer
Can't answer the 777 question, except for pointing to the earlier post that said that no 777's have been modified yet.
According to the info on KLM's website, starting in December, you will be able to do this online, upto 90 days before your flight. Apparently, you could already be able to do this over the phone or via a travel agent. I guess that they don't want to make it available online till most planes have been modified.
They also mention an option at OLCI, so if your plane has been converted, you will be able to take a comfort seat at that point.
Cheers,
GenevaFlyer
Not sure if for 777-300's it will be more than 4 rows.
The comment about travel agents is not entirely correct AFAIK.
S/B booking class gets you free access and these can be booked via travel agent (like the preferred seating for Elites and S-fares as we know it today).
But for all booking classes where you pay a fee you need to go to klm.com and get it through the Manage my Booking - can be done from 90 days before departure.
The thing I don't know concerns Platinum Elites - we get it for free but not sure if travel agents can book these or if we also need to go to KLM.com?
Oct 22, 2009, 12:26 pm
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