New FD Program ready for take off
Sep 4, 2002 | 6:42 am
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I was speaking to a Royalwing agent today trying to get award tickets on NW (impossible) and asked about the conversion rate. Said he wouldn't tell me the exact rate but that it would be greater than 1:1 and would be announced in the next 3 weeks.
Sep 4, 2002 | 11:58 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by The-Longhauler:
Yes, let's hope that they will be cheaper and not double for business as it is today. But with an exchange rate of 1.25 the awards will probably get more expensive... So 1:2 would be fair...</font>
Yes, let's hope that they will be cheaper and not double for business as it is today. But with an exchange rate of 1.25 the awards will probably get more expensive... So 1:2 would be fair...</font>
My guess in this case goes to 1:1.25.
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Sep 4, 2002 | 3:32 pm
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I'll bet a case of Fosters that both Rudi and Mike are correct. Any takers. 
Miletex, in your case, a bottle of Dom will be fine.
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Miletex, in your case, a bottle of Dom will be fine.
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Sep 4, 2002 | 4:39 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by ozstamps:
I'll bet a case of Fosters that both Rudi and Mike are correct. Any takers.
Miletex, in your case, a bottle of Dom will be fine.
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I'll bet a case of Fosters that both Rudi and Mike are correct. Any takers.
Miletex, in your case, a bottle of Dom will be fine.
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You guys get me into trouble here.
OK, I take it! (assuming that Mike wanted to say something like 1:1.8 and not 1:8!)
My bet: Conversion rate will be better than 2 miles for 1 point.
[Something like 1 point -> 2.xx miles]
We'll have the champagne together on a KLM Flyertalker meeting and talk a lot about huge mileage accounts and weired travel plans. Anybody else to join the bet?
But to be honest, this is a little bit unfair. I'm also guessing, but...
edited to add a limit:
max. of 10 bottles Dom Perignon (and I surely hope we find a date to kill these bottles together)
[This message has been edited by newbe (edited 09-04-2002).]
Sep 5, 2002 | 4:59 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Tractor Boy:
Mike:
Whatever it is you're smoking... can I please have some
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Mike:
Whatever it is you're smoking... can I please have some
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[This message has been edited by mike turnbull (edited 09-05-2002).]
Sep 5, 2002 | 5:41 am
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2 miles for each point would be nice. But I guess I will also say 1.8. What I do not understand much under the new terms is
"You earn 1 Award and 1 Level Mile per mile flown"?!?!
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"Fly me to the moon and let me earn alot of miles."
"You earn 1 Award and 1 Level Mile per mile flown"?!?!
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"Fly me to the moon and let me earn alot of miles."
Sep 5, 2002 | 6:01 am
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worldbanker:
As I have understood it, award miles can be used for booking awards, while level miles are used to upgrade/keep your status level in the FD program.
Some partners will give award miles but no status miles, or vice versa.
As I have understood it, award miles can be used for booking awards, while level miles are used to upgrade/keep your status level in the FD program.
Some partners will give award miles but no status miles, or vice versa.
Sep 5, 2002 | 7:39 am
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With a PRE-EXISTING policy of transferring FD to WP 1:1.25, I can't see why there is an expectation to change that conversion ratio on this thread.
Don't misunderstand, like you all, I'd be grateful for an unexpected windfall of FD points. But a more generous conversion has got to come out of somebody's pocket. I would suspect that NW would want some kind of compensation for anything beyond the 1:1.25 conversion and I equally suspect that KLM would have no interest in paying such compensation!!
I am more comfirtable using the 1:1.25 ratio precedent as a DEFENSIVE measure to insure that FD doesn't try to decrease the conversion ratio below 1:1.25.
As other boards will attest, FFP benefit expansion is over with. At this stage of the game, we should be looking to PROTECT existing FFP assets from being cut.
Don't misunderstand, like you all, I'd be grateful for an unexpected windfall of FD points. But a more generous conversion has got to come out of somebody's pocket. I would suspect that NW would want some kind of compensation for anything beyond the 1:1.25 conversion and I equally suspect that KLM would have no interest in paying such compensation!!
I am more comfirtable using the 1:1.25 ratio precedent as a DEFENSIVE measure to insure that FD doesn't try to decrease the conversion ratio below 1:1.25.
As other boards will attest, FFP benefit expansion is over with. At this stage of the game, we should be looking to PROTECT existing FFP assets from being cut.
Sep 5, 2002 | 7:49 am
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European based miles programs seems to need more miles for awards e.g.
SAS starchart europe-ASIA 90.000
UA starchart Europe-Asia 70.000
SAS starchart europe-USA 80.000
UA starchart europe-USA 50.000
That is also a reason why 1,25 is to low if they follow the other european based charts..
SAS starchart europe-ASIA 90.000
UA starchart Europe-Asia 70.000
SAS starchart europe-USA 80.000
UA starchart europe-USA 50.000
That is also a reason why 1,25 is to low if they follow the other european based charts..
Sep 5, 2002 | 8:16 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by newbe:
Dom Perignon?
You guys get me into trouble here.
OK, I take it! (assuming that Mike wanted to say something like 1:1.8 and not 1:8!)
My bet: Conversion rate will be better than 2 miles for 1 point.
[Something like 1 point -> 2.xx miles]
We'll have the champagne together on a KLM Flyertalker meeting and talk a lot about huge mileage accounts and weired travel plans. Anybody else to join the bet?
But to be honest, this is a little bit unfair. I'm also guessing, but...
edited to add a limit:
max. of 10 bottles Dom Perignon (and I surely hope we find a date to kill these bottles together)
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Dom Perignon?
You guys get me into trouble here.
OK, I take it! (assuming that Mike wanted to say something like 1:1.8 and not 1:8!)
My bet: Conversion rate will be better than 2 miles for 1 point.
[Something like 1 point -> 2.xx miles]
We'll have the champagne together on a KLM Flyertalker meeting and talk a lot about huge mileage accounts and weired travel plans. Anybody else to join the bet?
But to be honest, this is a little bit unfair. I'm also guessing, but...
edited to add a limit:
max. of 10 bottles Dom Perignon (and I surely hope we find a date to kill these bottles together)
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newbe at 2+ new for old you must think you are dealing with Santa Klaus and not our frugal friends at KLM?
Folks it is VERY simple. They simply converted miles to kilometres, added 10% tax and rounded up. All the Americans of COURSE, as they are metric freaks know there are 1.609 Km = 1 mile. Therefore 1000 FD points becomes 1800 new FD points. 1609+10% + rounding up = 1800. How much simpler can it get?
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