Originally Posted by Stewie Mac
(Post 34599500)
Thanks guys. Indeed, EJ+ is a bit much, as I am only on them 1-2 times per year. Will prepare myself for a lengthy wait...
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I've been following this thread for a while and this summer I thought things at AMS would be better by the time of my flight in mid Sept (next week) and so I wouldn't have much to worry about. Based on the last few days post I'm not so sure. I am only transiting (SFO-AMS-HAJ) so my only potential queuing issue might be passport control from non-Schengen to Schengen. I am not very familiar with AMS at all. Are there multiple passport control areas such that if one is crazy busy, the savvy traveler will know to walk to another, rather than follow the herd? We are flying J so are there priority lines for passport control (I tend to doubt this)? Barring any delays on our inbound, we should have 2 hrs 40 min, so not too worried, but it can't hurt to be prepared.
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Originally Posted by mangoMan
(Post 34599858)
I've been following this thread for a while and this summer I thought things at AMS would be better by the time of my flight in mid Sept (next week) and so I wouldn't have much to worry about. Based on the last few days post I'm not so sure. I am only transiting (SFO-AMS-HAJ) so my only potential queuing issue might be passport control from non-Schengen to Schengen. I am not very familiar with AMS at all. Are there multiple passport control areas such that if one is crazy busy, the savvy traveler will know to walk to another, rather than follow the herd? We are flying J so are there priority lines for passport control (I tend to doubt this)? Barring any delays on our inbound, we should have 2 hrs 40 min, so not too worried, but it can't hurt to be prepared.
I transited Schiphol (Non-Schengen to Schengen) at the end of August on a British Passport, arriving from North America and queued for around 40 minutes. My inbound was delayed by around an hour. On which note, I’ve checked FlightAware for you and it looks like both KLM departures from SFO are delayed today (one by an hour, the other by two hours), and in recent days a delay of at least an hour hasn’t been unusual. The one saving grace is that there should be a short connections queue. Airport staff also tend to call out for passengers “with departures before XX:XX”. Apologies that this post isn’t more reassuring. |
Data point today, Wed 14.09: arrived almost 4 hours before my 18:30 flight to LCY. Used the Skypriority entrance behind the KLM desks in departures 1. Some 20-25 priority guests in front of me, the whole thing took 20-25 minutes (yes that is slow. Compare that with London City for instance where the snakes move really quick). No one before me for passport control so through in 2 minutes. Train to lounge around 30-35 minutes. The non-prio's was a long, long snake though and probably would have added 1 hour at least. No queue outside.
In the lounge, I even managed to have me rebooked to an earlier KLM flight without change fee. After a period before Summer where 3 out of 4 flights ended with an extra night somewhere in Europe, finally a relaxed trip. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 34597799)
You may use that entrance. Business as usual in that regard during this year’s mess at AMS.
It used to be that most of the time anybody could wander up those stairs, and then go through the access scanners, which do not check priority eligibility. Now the downstairs access point is almost always supervised, and eligibility is strictly enforced. I figure that's as it should be, but it's to the detriment of those who just sneaked in or are traveling with a non-eligible partner or companion. Johan |
Originally Posted by atflyer
(Post 34600072)
In the lounge, I even managed to have me rebooked to an earlier KLM flight without change fee. After a period before Summer where 3 out of 4 flights ended with an extra night somewhere in Europe, finally a relaxed trip.
Originally Posted by KLflyerRalph
(Post 34589783)
Same time this morning (6:45h) was much busier compared to Thursday. Line at Departures 2 was closed and priority lane at Departures 1 had about 60 pax in front of me. Standard single line on the left hand side but at some point they ‘took’ another scanner from the regular queue. All-in all it took 25-30 minutes. Skyprio back entrance was enforced this time.
Colleague who passed around half an hour earlier had only a small wait. |
Originally Posted by Xandrios
(Post 34600388)
Which priority lane at Departures 1 are you referring to here? I think that most people are unaware of any priority lane being open besides the one at the back of Skypriority (departures 2). Did I misunderstand or are you saying that the 'regular' entrance to security now once again has a (or multiple) priority lanes? Are those also enforced when you get upstairs?
Johan |
Originally Posted by Xandrios
(Post 34600388)
Did they just allow doing this because of the fact that you arrived too early at the airport due to the potential crowds? I'm flying on the 09:30AM AF flight next week but there is another 06:45AM one that I may, or may not, be able to catch if security happens to be fast and if they'd be able to rebook me rather quickly. Planning to be at the airport at 05:15 so it may, potentially, be possible.
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Originally Posted by Xandrios
(Post 34600388)
Which priority lane at Departures 1 are you referring to here? I think that most people are unaware of any priority lane being open besides the one at the back of Skypriority (departures 2). Did I misunderstand or are you saying that the 'regular' entrance to security now once again has a (or multiple) priority lanes? Are those also enforced when you get upstairs?
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Originally Posted by malmostoso
(Post 34599787)
Another option is to buy a fully refundable ticket on another airline that includes some sort of fast track (economy flex on KLM or business), use that BP to gain access to security, and then cancel prior to departure.
How many hours before departure can you cancel a Flex ticket? Can you actually cancel it if you are already checked in with it, and used it to to get through Security? It would be a great solution and one that I would seriously consider... as long as I can cancel it after I passed security with it.. |
Originally Posted by FlyingRVS
(Post 34601689)
How many hours before departure can you cancel a Flex ticket? Can you actually cancel it if you are already checked in with it, and used it to to get through Security? It would be a great solution and one that I would seriously consider... as long as I can cancel it after I passed security with it..
Canceling check-in and/or canceling the ticket may take variable amounts of time. I’ve known the refunds to work out even for cancellations made within minutes before flight departure. I’ve also known of refunds to work for ticket cancellations even after scheduled flight departure as long as the ticket was not marked as having been used to fly. |
Originally Posted by GUWonder
(Post 34601738)
Fully-refundable premium cabin tickets may be cancelled even after having checked in on the ticket. Using the boarding pass to clear security or even access a lounge doesn’t invalidate the fare rules being used to cancel a ticket which hasn’t been used by the booked passenger to fly.
Canceling check-in and/or canceling the ticket may take variable amounts of time. I’ve known the refunds to work out even for cancellations made within minutes before flight departure. I’ve also known of refunds to work for ticket cancellations even after scheduled flight departure as long as the ticket was not marked as having been used to fly. |
Originally Posted by Xandrios
(Post 34600388)
Did they just allow doing this because of the fact that you arrived too early at the airport due to the potential crowds? I'm flying on the 09:30AM AF flight next week but there is another 06:45AM one that I may, or may not, be able to catch if security happens to be fast and if they'd be able to rebook me rather quickly. Planning to be at the airport at 05:15 so it may, potentially, be possible.
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Data point from today: Arrived by train at 1214 flying on LX (*A gold with priority). No checking from Plaza to Departures but also no queues in or outside the airport. Priority checkpoint (behind AFKL SP checkin) also no queues but manned. Upstairs, no queues at the normal lines as well. Security was fast. Many bags in secondary (the bag belt was full), not mine. Was through by 1222. By 1225 I was in the *A lounge. New record for me (I think).
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