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malmostoso Sep 12, 2022 5:45 am

The queue outside is the non-priority security line.

You arrive at the terminal, and head straight for the SP check-in area. If you don't need a check-in desk you just walk behind it and go upstairs to security through the small stairs that Johan has posted pictures multiple times of.

yno Sep 12, 2022 5:50 am


Originally Posted by malmostoso (Post 34592178)
Yes. You can try and see if it's a quiet day and the access is not guarded, but make sure to have a plan B if you're at the airport late.

indeed, have your plan B ready... and I agree that in the past it could work, but not always. Now with the crowds they have taken a strict approach

FlyingRVS Sep 12, 2022 5:54 am


Originally Posted by malmostoso (Post 34592452)
The queue outside is the non-priority security line.

You arrive at the terminal, and head straight for the SP check-in area. If you don't need a check-in desk you just walk behind it and go upstairs to security through the small stairs that Johan has posted pictures multiple times of.

Thank you malmostoso ! That's a relief for sure.

FlyingRVS Sep 12, 2022 6:33 am


Originally Posted by erik123 (Post 34592336)
Just print out your boarding pass twice for show and tell. They don't seem to check very carefully.

Erik, to be sure I understand you correctly: are you suggesting I print my own boarding card (which has the Sky Priority logo on it) twice, and let my wife use one to bypass the person who's checking for SP logo? Interesting approach..

Thanks !
FlyingRVS

HadesNL Sep 12, 2022 6:39 am

T3 departures
 
Just in from Dutch news:
https://nos.nl/artikel/2444325-weer-...n-te-annuleren
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieu...n-te-annuleren

source:
Schiphol heeft vanwege drukte aan meerdere luchtvaartmaatschappijen gevraagd om vluchten tussen 16.00 en 23.00 uur te annuleren. Het gaat om vluchten die vertrekken vanuit hal 3, zegt de luchthaven in een persbericht. Vanuit die hal vertrekken onder meer Corendon, Surinam Airways en Turkish Airlines.

and

Hij legt uit dat er beveiligingspersoneel wordt besteld aan de hand van het verwachte aantal reizigers. Vandaag is er sprake van 'onderlevering', zegt de woordvoerder. Er zijn dus minder beveiligers dan besteld.

English:
Amsterdam airport requests airlines that depart from T3 to cancel flights between 16.00 - 23.00 H due to busy departure terminal because of less security staff . Security is deployed in unison with estimate amount of departing passengers and the hiccup was less security staff possible to cope with expected passenger flow.

Sigh....
And the Autumn-Holiday weeks (School Herfstvakanties) hav'nt even started......
(that'll be 2 weeks of unexpected random hiccups)

Frequent flyer 101 Sep 12, 2022 8:59 am

Absolute chaos today.

Schipol website said a "busy" day. Changed to "peak" day at arond 11am.
Our airline (Easyjet) said to arrive 3 hours before. We arrived 3.5 hour sbefore.

Waiting in the non-schengen non-priority queue for 3.5 hours. In all that time we queued iniside for an hour, then outside for 2.5 hours. Just got inside again, still nowhere near security. I think the flight must have left empty because there is no way 4 hours would have been enough time to clear security. When we left the queue to head back to the train station, they were stopping everyone from going upstairs to departures because the floor was full.

Xandrios Sep 12, 2022 11:06 am

Wow, thanks for the report. That is really bad. And once again a clear sign that the problems are far from over. To the point that, from what it sounds like, at times things are again just as bad as the first few days of this mess (back in May).

Them blocking pax from going from Plaza to Departures hasn't happened in quite some time. That's a very important detail as this would prevent anybody to proceed: Including Priority and Privium pax.

EricVdb Sep 12, 2022 11:09 am

Is anybody, apart from Benschop/Schiphol, surprised?

You give people a bonus during the summer and when that bonus is ended, there isn't enough staff to man the security points..

Nobody could have seen that coming.....

HadesNL Sep 12, 2022 11:12 am

Twitter seems to be grilling Dick Benschop....

Seems word got out that Schiphol & Dick Benschop negotiated the security staff hourly wage increase.......
- only untill the end of the summer vacation -
:confused:
now that that period is over, wages revert back to the old (low) amount,
less security staff is keen to resume work / do their work / continue at this work
according to unions
;)

taking from source twitter :
https://twitter.com/hashtag/schiphol?f=live
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b4ce7b69d.jpeg
So it seems nobody in Schiphol upper management planned longterm for the rebound travel season to continue in September untill at least the autumn holidays / herfstvakantie :td:

and to keep present/new security staff interested in their jobs with better wages

to keep up with the steady flow of passenger influx

-----
OT:
disclaimer <not my opnion>
observation of my teens socials:
many online folk believe now is the last time to travel
before the next general Dutch vaccination round starts,
-(adapted) booster type to suit wintery season going mainstream across the population-
and foreign countries/destinations/enterprises
demand to ask for proof of (adapted) booster type
and it becomes mandatory for international travel again
------
"explains" the rush to travel and the continued exodus of departing passengers from Schiphol

KLflyerRalph Sep 12, 2022 11:55 am

I was at SPL this evening and the queus were bizarre. Hundreds of people lined up for the baggagehall. Presumably they missed their flights and needed their bag back. Queues for security started outside im both Departures 1 and 3. Meanwhile the KL check-in desks were deserted.

Boraxo Sep 12, 2022 12:08 pm

Is AMS still tolerable for non-Schengen to non-Schengen transit passengers flying KLM?

May have to transit AMS on Sunday morning. Assume that I will not have to reclear security if arriving from LHR? No plans to leave the secure area.

johan rebel Sep 12, 2022 12:26 pm

Three colleagues (so far!) have had their AMS departures tomorrow afternoon canceled. Mine's still scheduled, but I'm counting on a major delay at best. Will report here.

Johan

HadesNL Sep 12, 2022 12:32 pm

johan rebel : thanks for keeping us all informed!

It seems this is going to be a breaking news development and major déja vu relived from last spring.....

Was contemplating for next week a AMS BA evening flight back to the City but will book out of RTM instead

BA850 Sep 12, 2022 12:36 pm


Originally Posted by Boraxo (Post 34593633)
Is AMS still tolerable for non-Schengen to non-Schengen transit passengers flying KLM?

May have to transit AMS on Sunday morning. Assume that I will not have to reclear security if arriving from LHR? No plans to leave the secure area.

Ordinarily fine (but I’d strongly advise against travelling with checked luggage if you can avoid it), and no need to re-clear security or pass through the Dutch/Schengen border.

However, if the imposed cancellations reported upthread continue or snowball, then this coming Sunday may prove tricky.

Can you go via CDG instead?

DiKra Sep 12, 2022 1:25 pm

Questions queues terminal 3 - Priority lanes
 
Dear All,

Next Sunday, we will fly from Amsterdam to Doha, at 04:15 pm from terminal 3. It is our first time from Schiphol and I have a few questions. We reserved a parking slot in the parking garage of P3. There is a shuttle bus to the terminal. Will the bus stop directly at the terminal, or, if the queue is outside, at the end of the queue? Are the long queues only for the security gate or also for the check-in? I read a lot about the long queues but only for terminal 1 and 2. Is it also the same for terminal 3? Did somebody have experience with the check-in with Qatar? We will fly business and normally they have a special check-in desk. Can we also use the priority lane or is it only for Sky members in AMS? Have everybody experiences with the luggage? I have seen the big mountains in the arrival hall. Do you have also lost your baggage? If yes, at departure or at the return flight? Do they try to send it to you, later?

Thanks in advance for your answers.


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