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malmostoso May 3, 22 2:15 pm


Originally Posted by HadesNL (Post 34217505)
5) Schiphol discussing with union and subcontractors about wage levels:
Daarvoor wil Schiphol in overleg met de vakbonden en de onderaannemers ook kijken naar hogere lonen.

If anything good will come out of this whole story, I hope this is it.

HadesNL May 3, 22 2:17 pm

Your guess is as good as mine.....

The amount of foreigners going back home can't be that much in comparison to holidaymakers

johan rebel May 3, 22 2:17 pm

According to Luchtvaartnieuws (in Dutch) a club of unusually bright sparks claiming to represent people living in the vicinity of Schiphol has declared that the whole mess is the fault of all those transfer passengers. These unwelcome guests not only have to "clear customs twice" between flights, but their bags have to be transferred from one plane to the other! And then again when they fly back! This not only costs the airport money, but somehow also burdens Dutch taxpayers.

Johan

johan rebel May 3, 22 2:20 pm


Originally Posted by malmostoso (Post 34217924)
If anything good will come out of this whole story, I hope this is it.

Yeah, I have a degree of sympathy for the poor sods manning security. Pay sucks, the job pretty much sucks too, and they have to deal with lots of stressed out and at times upset and angry passengers. Hardly surprising that folks are not lining up to fill the vacancies.

Johan

Goldorak May 3, 22 3:44 pm

And I thought that ADP was the most incompetent airport operator in the world...I think they have serious competition in NL :D.
Bad jokes apart, this is really a shame and I hope this will be solved quickly. I am happy to not have any trips involving AMS soon.

Xandrios May 3, 22 4:16 pm


Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 34217897)
If I've understood this correctly, the "Meivakantie" ends on Sunday May 8th, and kids go back to school again on Monday. So coming weekend there should not be an unsually large (and for Schiphol totally unexpected) number of departing pax clogging security, but rather lots of people returning from vacation. Or am I missing something?

Johan

That's my expectation as well. Yet their prediction page shows that very last Sunday as a peak day:
https://www.schiphol.nl/en/page/crow...at-departures/

And even though that link is called "Crowd Levels at Departures" I'm wondering if these are just the number of pax traveling from or to Schiphol - including arriving pax.

This page splits out departing and arrival pax predictions:
https://www.schiphol.nl/en/my-travel-day/?date=08052022

Though I am as surprised as you about this weekend being a peak departures day. I'm not understanding why that would be the case. The only thing I can imagine is that they would actually move security and KMar agents from departure to arrivals to fill the void there... creating an issue at departures too.

johan rebel May 3, 22 4:36 pm


Originally Posted by Xandrios (Post 34218317)
Though I am as surprised as you about this weekend being a peak departures day. I'm not understanding why that would be the case. The only thing I can imagine is that they would actually move security and KMar agents from departure to arrivals to fill the void there... creating an issue at departures too.

Thanks for the link. I'm even more surprised that they have designated Monday the 9th as a peak day for both departures and arrivals.

As for those queues at immigrations, they could just stop checking the passports of departing pax leaving Schengen, and use the resources to speed up things for arriving pax. Yeah, I know, I know, the law says . . . etc. But making departing pax run the KMar gauntlet is not an immutable law of nature. There are countries that don't do it, without descending into chaos and anarchy.

Johan

westi2002 May 3, 22 4:36 pm


Originally Posted by johan rebel (Post 34217865)
"Schiphol wil een grens stellen aan het aantal vluchten per dag aan de hand van de hoeveelheid personeel die iedere dag aanwezig kan zijn op het vliegveld."

Benschop must be out of his mind.

What does he want to do? Compel airlines to cancel flights the day before departure, which is presumably the earliest the airport can estimate the "number of staff that will be present" the next day with any accuracy? Limit the number of flights weeks in advance based on a wild guess as to expected number of staff available?

And who will decide which flights must be canceled, and what will the criteria be?

The airport is trying to pass the buck to its only customers, i.e. the airlines and their passengers. At the very same time they are increasing airport charges by 37%.

Johan

Amazing business model, sustainable for the future. What about their plans for 540k flights per year?
I heard today that Schiphol generates a 400M profit, so it should be possible to pay more and thus attract labour forces.

Thino May 3, 22 9:14 pm


Originally Posted by FlyingBlonde89 (Post 34214820)
Did you by-pass the main queue and just head for KLM Sky Priority check-in or was the way through clear?

Yeah I bypassed the queue, through check in 9-10 for sky priority

HadesNL May 4, 22 2:41 am

Update: Wednesday 4 May 2022 at 07.45
 
Access to T3 was possible (with no Q)
- via railwaystation
- via car drop off point

It was a bit busy reaching the turnstil for T3 security

T3 security on mezzanine level
- economy Q snaked thrice
- priority Q single Q at an equal pace

The photos taken between 07.39 - 08.00
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5066177b1.jpeg
T3 departures: car drop off point


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3f194e04a.jpeg
At least sunny weather!




https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...0d1ad90c5.jpeg
T3 departures: smoking area (yes we needed one)




https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...43bcbdc2a.jpeg
Schiphol plaza / railway station




https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...ae85a6b91.jpeg
Access to T3 departures via arrivals is possible




https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...d35ad7344.jpeg
Escalators / lifts between T3 arrivals and departures are operative




https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...eca6c5f93.jpeg
T3 departures (close to tax refund counters)



https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c5f1bcc4a.jpeg
T3 departures: looking at priority security



https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a08fb72ee.jpeg
T3 departures: looking at economy security on mezzanine
(Q on lower part of photo is for checkin for holiday airlines TUI & Corendon)


Mind you, today is memorial day and the middle of the week so this is just a momentary snapshot.
Hope you all get a better idea as to avoid uncertainty.

EricVdb May 4, 22 5:11 am


Originally Posted by HadesNL (Post 34219334)
Mind you, today is memorial day and the middle of the week so this is just a momentary snapshot.
Hope you all get a better idea as to avoid uncertainty.

And there are rumours (according the FNV Union) that security is on strike. The airport denies it.

Netherlines May 4, 22 5:47 am

After hearing what mr Benschop,Schiphol Group's CEO had to say i will be avoiding AMS in July&August,that's for sure.The man is totally clueless.There ia no plan,he just hopes for the best..

i've got a day trip to BSL coming up this friday,Booked the outbound flight on EZY from terminal 3 after reading reports on FT that the M gates have escaped the mess of the past week.

So in this troubled week the only Airline that escapes the chaos is budget bargain EZY.What a sad conclusion..

atflyer May 4, 22 6:19 am

Another experience from my side - fly to LCY later today and decided to come very early and do some MS Teams meetings from the lounge. Entered via T3. Could walk directly to the access of the Mezzanine in the back of T3. No queues there. No queue at escalator and had direct access to Sky priority with maybe 4 people in front of me for security. No priority queue of course much longer, snaking around 3 times over the length of Mezzanine. Even the e-gates for passports were quick. Did it in 15-20 minutes from train to KLM lounge, as good as it could get pre-COVID.
This was Wed 4 May, 12-ish noon.

atflyer May 4, 22 6:34 am


Originally Posted by EricVdb (Post 34219516)
And there are rumours (according the FNV Union) that security is on strike. The airport denies it.

I saw not anything looking like a strike today.

Netherlines May 4, 22 9:45 am

My KL 1990 flight from Basel on Friday evening is already cancelled.Really inpressive stuff KLM...
I'm just a few XP short of platinum so called the normal service line.The woman was totally clueless.Platinum service line would have been useful in this situation.
On a positieve note,i've got a booking to GVA on the 14th..There will be a climate protest at Schiphol...
What a mess!


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