KLM's S20 timetable - schedule related questions
Apr 1, 2020, 12:46 pm
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KL has now announced extra corona measure on JFK flights. Henceforth, all aisle seats will be blocked. The intention is to increase the separation between seated pax and crew members walking down the aisle. That the effect may well be to force pax into middle seats and thus decrease the separation between the pax themselves to below the recommended minimum is apparently of no concern. Other airlines have announced that all middle seats will be blocked, so priorities apparently differ.
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Apr 1, 2020, 1:11 pm
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At this point it's really about planning the cancellation. It's a trip I purchased as an Expedia bundle. Fortunately, the first flight is on Delta, so Expedia ticketed the trip on 006 stock. Delta said that if the flight is canceled, they would refund the ticket. So now I'm waiting for the airlines to actually cancel the specific flight that I'm on.
Apr 1, 2020, 3:49 pm
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So much for 1½ m separation, let alone 6 ft as recommended in the States.
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Apr 2, 2020, 12:17 am
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Rio is on the list of destinations that are currently suspended and will be suspended for 2 months, so it’s virtually guaranteed your flight will be cancelled. Just hold your feet still and let them cancel the flight.
Apr 2, 2020, 12:55 am
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Apr 2, 2020, 1:30 am
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The 773 has 39 rows in economy, so it would take only 40 pax for at least two to have to share a row. Even with three pax per row (i.e. one in each seat block) that only allows for a total of 112 pax (not all rows have three blocks). JFK load factors are currently running at about 50%, so about 204 pax. Assuming a full WBC, that leaves 170 pax to share 39 rows, or almost 4.5 per row. With four aisle seats blocked, those pax will have to share six seats, or even only two or four in certain rows. If WBC is also at 50%, then five pax will have to share the available seats in each economy row.
So much for 1½ m separation, let alone 6 ft as recommended in the States.
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So much for 1½ m separation, let alone 6 ft as recommended in the States.
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Apr 2, 2020, 3:05 am
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In this current climate and the hassle i have just had trying to get back from Brazil to the UK, I think I will sit tight and wait for my next flight to Rio in June.
Apr 2, 2020, 4:14 am
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The 773 has 39 rows in economy, so it would take only 40 pax for at least two to have to share a row. Even with three pax per row (i.e. one in each seat block) that only allows for a total of 112 pax (not all rows have three blocks). JFK load factors are currently running at about 50%, so about 204 pax. Assuming a full WBC, that leaves 170 pax to share 39 rows, or almost 4.5 per row. With four aisle seats blocked, those pax will have to share six seats, or even only two or four in certain rows. If WBC is also at 50%, then five pax will have to share the available seats in each economy row.
So much for 1½ m separation, let alone 6 ft as recommended in the States.
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So much for 1½ m separation, let alone 6 ft as recommended in the States.
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Apr 2, 2020, 1:26 pm
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Apr 2, 2020, 2:14 pm
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If they are less than half full in most cases, they will be more than half full in some. And who says that two or more pax traveling together absolutely want to sit right next to each other on a flight that's far from full?
In any case, the point here is that when it comes to separation in the cabin, KLM has chosen to put the interests of the cabin crew above those of the passengers. It cannot be ruled out that some pax who would much rather not sit right next to somebody else will be forced to do so just to keep the aisle seats free. Other airlines have made a different choice.
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In any case, the point here is that when it comes to separation in the cabin, KLM has chosen to put the interests of the cabin crew above those of the passengers. It cannot be ruled out that some pax who would much rather not sit right next to somebody else will be forced to do so just to keep the aisle seats free. Other airlines have made a different choice.
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Apr 3, 2020, 4:33 am
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And who says that two or more pax traveling together absolutely want to sit right next to each other on a flight that's far from full?
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It cannot be ruled out that some pax who would much rather not sit right next to somebody else will be forced to do so just to keep the aisle seats free.
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It cannot be ruled out that some pax who would much rather not sit right next to somebody else will be forced to do so just to keep the aisle seats free.
However, I suspect loads are now at such a low level that none of the above is strictly necessary, and everyone is pretty much free to spread out as much as they desire.
Apr 4, 2020, 3:19 pm
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Now that KL is operating so few flights and AMS is no longer the usual overcrowded mess, I'm surprised at how many of the few remaining outgoing flights were delayed today. Not short delays either, but up to two hours or even longer. Can't have been the weather. Nor late incoming flights, as those were mostly on time, bar a few longhauls running 10 or 11 hours late.
Interesting.
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Interesting.
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Apr 5, 2020, 6:29 am
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Now that KL is operating so few flights and AMS is no longer the usual overcrowded mess, I'm surprised at how many of the few remaining outgoing flights were delayed today. Not short delays either, but up to two hours or even longer. Can't have been the weather. Nor late incoming flights, as those were mostly on time, bar a few longhauls running 10 or 11 hours late.
Interesting.
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Interesting.
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