May 21, 2020, 5:59 pm
Japan Transit/Connection/Layover Master Thread
Jul 29, 2022, 3:55 pm
#946
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I believe JL staff at NRT will scramble to make arrangements- overnight in a room with a guard or let you check into a nearby hotel with strict instruction to return in the AM. (ie give you an overnight visa?)
This just based on prior posts.
I also wonder what happens if a flight is delayed at HNL such that they know, BEFORE you board, that you will misconnect...will then refuse you at HNL?
This just based on prior posts.
I also wonder what happens if a flight is delayed at HNL such that they know, BEFORE you board, that you will misconnect...will then refuse you at HNL?
Further question... Is there additional security to connect (HA to JL Int'l) flying from the US? Or, is it just a matter of walking to the next gate. Any priority for C/J pax?
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Jul 29, 2022, 4:00 pm
#947
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Note that I was 'wondering' about that latter point...
I have a booking in 2 weeks: SFO>NRT>CGK... all JL. Similar connection time. Not much choice. (and had an MH flight, NRT-KUL, that was cancelled)
I have a booking in 2 weeks: SFO>NRT>CGK... all JL. Similar connection time. Not much choice. (and had an MH flight, NRT-KUL, that was cancelled)
Jul 29, 2022, 4:11 pm
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Question. So, flying HA (HNL-NRT) with 1h55 layover NRT to connect to NRT-CGK (JL); 1h55 connection. Both. I believe, are T2 NRT.
Let's say HA flight is delayed. There are no later options; and I cannot overnight in JP (if current rules persist). What happens in this scenario? Has anyone had the joy of this experience?
Let's say HA flight is delayed. There are no later options; and I cannot overnight in JP (if current rules persist). What happens in this scenario? Has anyone had the joy of this experience?
Coming from the US, there are no transit security check, JL probably needs less than 30 minutes of time to rush you from plane to plane if needs be. And generally they are good at holding the flights to make sure the connections are made possible. There are very few reports of people actually missing flights.
The best possible option, or rather least annoying option, is that they allow you to remain in the terminal overnight, as the terminal closes overnight, and there are no real sleeping facilities it is probably going to be pretty bare bones office/restricted space somewhere.
Other options are that they send you back with HA to HNL, or if there are several hours of delay even before departure, they may deny you boarding.
Overnight visas, with an exception for Taiwan, does not exist at the moment.
Jul 29, 2022, 4:45 pm
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I assume this is a single ticket, so JL knows to expect you?
Coming from the US, there are no transit security check, JL probably needs less than 30 minutes of time to rush you from plane to plane if needs be. And generally they are good at holding the flights to make sure the connections are made possible. There are very few reports of people actually missing flights.
The best possible option, or rather least annoying option, is that they allow you to remain in the terminal overnight, as the terminal closes overnight, and there are no real sleeping facilities it is probably going to be pretty bare bones office/restricted space somewhere.
Other options are that they send you back with HA to HNL, or if there are several hours of delay even before departure, they may deny you boarding.
Overnight visas, with an exception for Taiwan, does not exist at the moment.
Coming from the US, there are no transit security check, JL probably needs less than 30 minutes of time to rush you from plane to plane if needs be. And generally they are good at holding the flights to make sure the connections are made possible. There are very few reports of people actually missing flights.
The best possible option, or rather least annoying option, is that they allow you to remain in the terminal overnight, as the terminal closes overnight, and there are no real sleeping facilities it is probably going to be pretty bare bones office/restricted space somewhere.
Other options are that they send you back with HA to HNL, or if there are several hours of delay even before departure, they may deny you boarding.
Overnight visas, with an exception for Taiwan, does not exist at the moment.
So, US (HA) connecting to Int'l (JL) will have no transit security.. just assumedly a possible document check, and then onward to gate?
Jul 29, 2022, 5:28 pm
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Single ticket, yes. I'd hope that should the connection be tighter, that JL would make efforts to get me to the next gate as soon as possible, and out of their country - God forbid the people of Japan get subjected to cooties from the US.
So, US (HA) connecting to Int'l (JL) will have no transit security.. just assumedly a possible document check, and then onward to gate?
So, US (HA) connecting to Int'l (JL) will have no transit security.. just assumedly a possible document check, and then onward to gate?
Jul 29, 2022, 5:49 pm
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True. In this case, say the inbound HA HNL-NRT flight is delayed... so it'd be very likely that I'd miss my 6pm flight out of NRT. Would I possibly even be refused boarding in HNL, or would they (JL) even so much as attempt to auto-rebook me (e.g. on one of the later departures out of NRT say, to BKK)... My understanding is that kind of thing usually happens *after* departure - in normal circumstances at least.
Jul 29, 2022, 6:04 pm
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True. In this case, say the inbound HA HNL-NRT flight is delayed... so it'd be very likely that I'd miss my 6pm flight out of NRT. Would I possibly even be refused boarding in HNL, or would they (JL) even so much as attempt to auto-rebook me (e.g. on one of the later departures out of NRT say, to BKK)... My understanding is that kind of thing usually happens *after* departure - in normal circumstances at least.
Otherwise, they will try to deal with it in Tokyo. If you are OK to go to Bangkok or another destination, check what options are OK with you, and be prepared when you talk to JAL in Narita. They are as interested as you are in getting you on a connection flight from Narita.
Jul 29, 2022, 11:02 pm
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since US citizens can't enter Japan, what happens if connection at Narita is delayed?
FYI.
Excellent advice by CPH about irrops. Know options and what you would like (or can tolerate) BEFORE you even get to the agents.
FYI.
Excellent advice by CPH about irrops. Know options and what you would like (or can tolerate) BEFORE you even get to the agents.
Jul 31, 2022, 2:46 pm
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Hoping someone can help, wondering if it's allowed to somehow transit on separate flight tickets with a checked bag same day from ICN-NRT (economy with Korean Air) - 4 hour gap - then NRT-LAX (first with Japan Airlines) in August?
Jul 31, 2022, 2:50 pm
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Do you really need to check bags?
Jul 31, 2022, 4:14 pm
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Korean and JAL has a code share operation on the Korea Japan routes. So there is also an interline agreement for sure. But a question for the Korean airlines forum, how does KE handle luggage across tickets?
Jul 31, 2022, 5:10 pm
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Hoping someone can help, wondering if it's allowed to somehow transit on separate flight tickets with a checked bag same day from ICN-NRT (economy with Korean Air) - 4 hour gap - then NRT-LAX (first with Japan Airlines) in August?
Interline agreement in and by itself is bad indicator. BA has an interline agreement with AA, but also has a policy of no luggage checked through across separate tickets.
Korean and JAL has a code share operation on the Korea Japan routes. So there is also an interline agreement for sure. But a question for the Korean airlines forum, how does KE handle luggage across tickets?
Korean and JAL has a code share operation on the Korea Japan routes. So there is also an interline agreement for sure. But a question for the Korean airlines forum, how does KE handle luggage across tickets?
If you were flying the ICN-NRT route on a JAL ticket / KE metal; it will be fine. Myself and another member have done the same thing recently.
Jul 31, 2022, 5:31 pm
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Interline agreement in and by itself is bad indicator. BA has an interline agreement with AA, but also has a policy of no luggage checked through across separate tickets.
Korean and JAL has a code share operation on the Korea Japan routes. So there is also an interline agreement for sure. But a question for the Korean airlines forum, how does KE handle luggage across tickets?
Korean and JAL has a code share operation on the Korea Japan routes. So there is also an interline agreement for sure. But a question for the Korean airlines forum, how does KE handle luggage across tickets?
Jul 31, 2022, 7:21 pm
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Quick question, if I were to book a KUL>NRT>KUL within the same day (Arrive into NRT and leave within the same day) for mile running purpose, would I get into trouble where Check in desk in KUL will deny me as visa-free travel is non existent currently. I believed my trip would be treated as Tokyo bound pax instead being transit to 3rd country? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Also will KUL ground staff print out the NRT>KUL boarding pass (assuming above went well during check in)?
I would be flying JL for this purpose if this info helps. Also will be only doing hand luggage.
**Edit: Reading through older post it seems like this is not possible, is it still the same of now???**
**If so would KUL>BKK>NRT>KUL routing workable with them under the same ticket?**
Also will KUL ground staff print out the NRT>KUL boarding pass (assuming above went well during check in)?
I would be flying JL for this purpose if this info helps. Also will be only doing hand luggage.
**Edit: Reading through older post it seems like this is not possible, is it still the same of now???**
**If so would KUL>BKK>NRT>KUL routing workable with them under the same ticket?**
Had some queries at BKK check in counter which escalated to more senior personal onboard but then once ticket issued no further question while boarding in NRT.
Tried to asked JL BKK manager about the possibility of KUL>NRT>KUL routing but answered given was vague at best (At least the KUL folks did check with their internal helpdesk who said its okay but there no black and white to back it up).
Overall good flights, just a pity NRT is now so quiet around 9-11am as opposed to being super crowded in 2019.
Likewise flight load was much lower too. Plenty of transit pax which i am certain contributed by strict transit rule in TPE and HKG.
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Aug 3, 2022, 1:50 am
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Both flights are operated by JAL.
When you arrive in Haneda, you have to go through immigration, reclaim luggage, and pass customs. There is a transfer check in desk at the international terminal, but you will likely be too late for the cut off, but with or without luggage you'd have to take the bus or train to T1. Last cut for passing security at T1 is 20 minutes before departure. Even with JAL sending staff to assist you, that is an ambitious connection in my view.
As a resident using the automated immigration lanes when they were in operations I would normally say 25 to 30 minutes from landing until passing customs with luggage. As a non resident, that is bound to take longer. But even by passing all lines with the help of JAL, it probably can't be quicker.
(and a pet peeve, Haneda is HND, Tokyo for all airports is TYO. After some googling, TKO is a gravel strip airfield in Lesotho)
When you arrive in Haneda, you have to go through immigration, reclaim luggage, and pass customs. There is a transfer check in desk at the international terminal, but you will likely be too late for the cut off, but with or without luggage you'd have to take the bus or train to T1. Last cut for passing security at T1 is 20 minutes before departure. Even with JAL sending staff to assist you, that is an ambitious connection in my view.
As a resident using the automated immigration lanes when they were in operations I would normally say 25 to 30 minutes from landing until passing customs with luggage. As a non resident, that is bound to take longer. But even by passing all lines with the help of JAL, it probably can't be quicker.
(and a pet peeve, Haneda is HND, Tokyo for all airports is TYO. After some googling, TKO is a gravel strip airfield in Lesotho)
I'm always a bit nervy about connections anyway, but particularly going from international to internal from a bad experience.
How long would you suggest is realistic? Personally I'd not want anything less than 3 hours.
Apologies on the TKO .... That was probably me introducing that.