Little Animal

Thank you and I guess no TG F this time and hopefully have chance to fly their new first next year. Do you mind share your thought about ANA F vs JAL F? I flew few time with JAL F but never with ANA F(SUITE). Which one you prefer?

bmwe92fan

Just another opinion from someone who is in and out of Tokyo all the time... Since you would be in F there is a high likelihood that you will get off the plane first and also possibly be escorted to the next flight by a representative from NH. Also -- you will have access to the excellent TG F lounge (suites) in BKK (if open - not sure about that). NRT is a VERY efficient airport and I would not hesitate to take these flights if that is your preference. The lounges in NRT are nothing to write home about -- even the NH F lounge is sort of average - so don't worry about missing that -- although I think that you will have plenty of time to get through security and enjoy the NH F lounge for a glass of champagne / noodle bar visit...

CPH-Flyer

There was an experience of coming from TG posted recently.

I'd certainly not do a less than 2 hour connection on separate tickets. It is asking for stress. Admittedly, NH only starts boarding 25 minutes before departure, but it is still not much time for delays.

I am surprised the TG has dropped escorting the first class passengers on arrival, but a near death experience as company can cause many cuts to the services.

Objectivelyreal

It has been enforced and miscreants have been prosecuted and fined for not obeying the rules. That’s a good thing and my advice to every American is this: Obey the law, get vaccinated, get tested, put on a belt AND suspenders at the same time.

bmwe92fan

To me it's a VERY different F experience in NRT when you are connecting in the same alliance in F -- not different --as the example you cited.... JL could care less about TG arrivals on separate tickets -- in fact -- how would they even know?

CPH-Flyer

But the transit security check would be the same....

bmwe92fan

Unless you are escorted to the front of the line -- or pulled off the plane first and personally escorted -- as I've experienced even during COVID.... Additionally with the example cited how would JL even know that TG had an F passenger arriving on separate tickets? TG isn't JL or NH -- they aren't going to escort anyone at NRT lol...

CPH-Flyer

Well, the case where you suggested a 1h 15m minute connection was fine is also separate tickets, so NH knows how? TG actually used to escort their F passengers on arrival in HND/NRT. Pre-pandemic and pre-bankruptcy that is...

bmwe92fan

I believe the difference was checked bags -- which links the two different tickets.... But we should take this offline as it doesn't benefit most people to get this worried about an F ticket on the same alliance within MCT at Narita - especially since NRT will hold the last flights to get passengers (that they know about) home in this age of COVID....

Little Animal

Thank you for your opinion! If it is on the single ticket, I will definitely take the risk to have the short connection since NRT is a very efficient airport and was told 60 minutes is the MCT. Unfortunately it will be on two separate tickets which I don’t think ANA will know I am on the TG flight if TG flight is delays even thought baggage can be check through. When I looked at the TG flight status for the past week, the flight was delayed almost every day. I have no problem skip the ANA F lounge at NRT but don’t want to miss the flight and strand at the airport unless I can notify ANA before boarding the TG flight. But the price of TG F is too attractive!

seigex

Coming from US - no problem whatsoever with 60 minutes as long as you're not on a habitually late flight (check flight history for your flight on flightradar24).

Coming from BKK/SIN/ICN/etc.. 60 minutes is cutting it close. I've made it on separate tickets where I was checked through, but it was tight, and my arriving plane was only 5 minutes or so late. It took me 25 minutes to get through bag security and I was the first person off the plane. That said, if your originating airline checks you through, they'll know about you and hold the plane up (which they did on my flight that was tight). It only works if you don't have to get a boarding pass AND you have no flight issues coming in. There's no room for error.

les37b

I have a cruise booked from Osaka to Seward in April / May 2023 (my third attempt) and hopeful this time it may sail.

We have been allocated flights from London via Tokyo on BA but really concerned on the connecting time of 1h15m in Tokyo, which even pre covid I would not be happy with.

The CL are insisting it's a scheduled connection and shouldn't be a problem. Given missing the flight could also mean missing a 16 night cruise, I don't want to take any chances.

24 April BA4600 0720PM LHR to TKO arr 0315PM
25 April BA4361 0430PM TKO to Osaka are 0535PM

That's as much info as we've been given. I assume the second leg is operated by JAL.

Do we clear Passport control and security in Tokyo? Collect luggage like we would in the US or will that be handled by the airline? Ii assume these tasks are connected and it's all or nothing.

Having missed a 4h15m connecting flight in Atlanta having to queue for passports, baggage reclaim and 2 lots of security, I'm wary now. Annoyingly the return, I've got a 1h6m connection in Seattle... But that's not a question for here (and already know that's impossible).

Thoughts and advice?

CPH-Flyer

Both flights are operated by JAL.

When you arrive in Haneda, you have to go through immigration, reclaim luggage, and pass customs. There is a transfer check in desk at the international terminal, but you will likely be too late for the cut off, but with or without luggage you'd have to take the bus or train to T1. Last cut for passing security at T1 is 20 minutes before departure. Even with JAL sending staff to assist you, that is an ambitious connection in my view.

As a resident using the automated immigration lanes when they were in operations I would normally say 25 to 30 minutes from landing until passing customs with luggage. As a non resident, that is bound to take longer. But even by passing all lines with the help of JAL, it probably can't be quicker.

(and a pet peeve, Haneda is HND, Tokyo for all airports is TYO. After some googling, TKO is a gravel strip airfield in Lesotho)

MDTyKe

Question. So, flying HA (HNL-NRT) with 1h55 layover NRT to connect to NRT-CGK (JL); 1h55 connection. Both. I believe, are T2 NRT.

Let's say HA flight is delayed. There are no later options; and I cannot overnight in JP (if current rules persist). What happens in this scenario? Has anyone had the joy of this experience?

Exec_Plat

I believe JL staff at NRT will scramble to make arrangements- overnight in a room with a guard or let you check into a nearby hotel with strict instruction to return in the AM. (ie give you an overnight visa?)

This just based on prior posts.

I also wonder what happens if a flight is delayed at HNL such that they know, BEFORE you board, that you will misconnect...will then refuse you at HNL?