Virtual Visit - support thread
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Virtual Visit - support thread
We’re all sealed into our own lock downs - and yet, miracle of the age, here we are, online, connected with each other, all over the world.
And if you are in this forum, on this thread, we have a bit of something in common. Yokosou! Welcome! (Y bienvenidos tambien!)
Thought I could start by offering my services to anybody who might want them. We’re not going to restaurants or cafés, takeouts and deliveries are much more restricted (if available at all) than before, perhaps there’s someone who would like to try making some Japanese food now that they have a bit more time, but are unsure if they have enough ingredients or if they could adapt certain things as substitutes.
I am here for you! Have lots of experience making a wide variety of Japanese food from scratch with Western items. Ask me anything!
Doesn’t mean I don’t have my own questions too.
Anyway, we can’t go to the world, let’s bring the world to us!
And if you are in this forum, on this thread, we have a bit of something in common. Yokosou! Welcome! (Y bienvenidos tambien!)
Thought I could start by offering my services to anybody who might want them. We’re not going to restaurants or cafés, takeouts and deliveries are much more restricted (if available at all) than before, perhaps there’s someone who would like to try making some Japanese food now that they have a bit more time, but are unsure if they have enough ingredients or if they could adapt certain things as substitutes.
I am here for you! Have lots of experience making a wide variety of Japanese food from scratch with Western items. Ask me anything!
Doesn’t mean I don’t have my own questions too.
Anyway, we can’t go to the world, let’s bring the world to us!
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My question.
Currently I have access to fresh milk. Yeay!
Not sure if that will last, or at least if there will be uninterrupted delivery in the supply chain.
One of my kid’s absolute favourite meals is Chicken Cream Stew - very versatile, you can have it with fish pieces too, or a vegetarian version if you wished.
I know that cream stew became popular in Japan after WWII when powdered milk was introduced, it was one of the few ways of making the stuff palatable enough for school children to consume.
Has anyone seen any recipes for making this original version with powdered milk? I can decipher recipes with translation tools but find it very difficult to search and identify them in order to do so.
If you have fresh milk and want to give this a try, my favourite recipe is the following from NHK. It’s for cream stew with oysters. The revelation was realising that you can add plenty of water (4 parts milk to 3 parts water). Apart from ignoring the oysters and using chicken (or fish) the other modification I make is cooking onions with the butter at the start before adding the flour to add flavour to the sauce.
Yuzu kousho is an amazing condiment to eat with this, but you can add a Tabasco type chilli instead, it just becomes “chowdery”. Means a family can eat it together but each still have a plate adapted to their own tastes. Have it with rice or bread.
https://www.nhk.or.jp/dwc/recipes/detail/43.html
Currently I have access to fresh milk. Yeay!
Not sure if that will last, or at least if there will be uninterrupted delivery in the supply chain.
One of my kid’s absolute favourite meals is Chicken Cream Stew - very versatile, you can have it with fish pieces too, or a vegetarian version if you wished.
I know that cream stew became popular in Japan after WWII when powdered milk was introduced, it was one of the few ways of making the stuff palatable enough for school children to consume.
Has anyone seen any recipes for making this original version with powdered milk? I can decipher recipes with translation tools but find it very difficult to search and identify them in order to do so.
If you have fresh milk and want to give this a try, my favourite recipe is the following from NHK. It’s for cream stew with oysters. The revelation was realising that you can add plenty of water (4 parts milk to 3 parts water). Apart from ignoring the oysters and using chicken (or fish) the other modification I make is cooking onions with the butter at the start before adding the flour to add flavour to the sauce.
Yuzu kousho is an amazing condiment to eat with this, but you can add a Tabasco type chilli instead, it just becomes “chowdery”. Means a family can eat it together but each still have a plate adapted to their own tastes. Have it with rice or bread.
https://www.nhk.or.jp/dwc/recipes/detail/43.html
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I just realized you are in London. Good luck you you all. I've heard it's getting crazy in the UK. Original Post: Where are you? I am around Fussa, Japan. Where I am, there seems to be no issue with restaurants or grocery stores. Stocks are not full, but not empty either. As long as nobody hoards, there is enough for everybody. Restaurants look open and the one's at the malls definitely are open.
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My question.
Currently I have access to fresh milk. Yeay!
Not sure if that will last, or at least if there will be uninterrupted delivery in the supply chain.
One of my kid’s absolute favourite meals is Chicken Cream Stew - very versatile, you can have it with fish pieces too, or a vegetarian version if you wished.
I know that cream stew became popular in Japan after WWII when powdered milk was introduced, it was one of the few ways of making the stuff palatable enough for school children to consume.
Has anyone seen any recipes for making this original version with powdered milk? I can decipher recipes with translation tools but find it very difficult to search and identify them in order to do so.
Currently I have access to fresh milk. Yeay!
Not sure if that will last, or at least if there will be uninterrupted delivery in the supply chain.
One of my kid’s absolute favourite meals is Chicken Cream Stew - very versatile, you can have it with fish pieces too, or a vegetarian version if you wished.
I know that cream stew became popular in Japan after WWII when powdered milk was introduced, it was one of the few ways of making the stuff palatable enough for school children to consume.
Has anyone seen any recipes for making this original version with powdered milk? I can decipher recipes with translation tools but find it very difficult to search and identify them in order to do so.
https://housefoods.jp/data/stew/japa...n_story04.html
It says most of the early versions of the white stew (japonés) were simple and flour was used to add some thickness.
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This page may help.
https://housefoods.jp/data/stew/japa...n_story04.html
It says most of the early versions of the white stew (japonés) were simple and flour was used to add some thickness.
https://housefoods.jp/data/stew/japa...n_story04.html
It says most of the early versions of the white stew (japonés) were simple and flour was used to add some thickness.
Food is hard to come by at the moment, and it may become harder still soon.
Was hoping that someone in some recipe blog or forum had replicated the original style of cream stew with powdered milk. In another time I’d experiment, but this isn’t the time to make mistakes, I’m just not in a position to throw away food.
To be honest, even flour is hard to come by. Haven’t seen any on sale for quite some time now. Sugar? No problem! Flour? Nada de nada.
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I’m in SG so we haven’t locked down, but the mood on the ground that it’s just a matter of time as our locally transmitted / untraceable cases are growing by the day.
So my day to day life is fairly normal for now except for the depression that sets in seeing all the sakura on my FB and Instagram feed.
So my day to day life is fairly normal for now except for the depression that sets in seeing all the sakura on my FB and Instagram feed.
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If food is at the top of your agenda on trip to Jpn, then you guys in Singapore don't even need to go to Jpn!
Saw lots of Japanese things in Singapore that I wouldn't be able to get anywhere near my hometown in Jpn. Certainly far more than what you could find in LA.
Can't believe you guys have Dosanko Plaza (there's one in Liang Court) and my favorite ramen place Ajisai which is a small ramen chain that only exists in Hokkaido in Jpn.
Saw lots of Japanese things in Singapore that I wouldn't be able to get anywhere near my hometown in Jpn. Certainly far more than what you could find in LA.
Can't believe you guys have Dosanko Plaza (there's one in Liang Court) and my favorite ramen place Ajisai which is a small ramen chain that only exists in Hokkaido in Jpn.
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Is this a thread about making Japanese food at home?
Here in Germany, we don't have a "hard" lockdown. There are even a few Japanese restaurants still open, offering sushi to go. But as a good citizen, I am trying minimizing my social contacts of course.
So I want to make sashimi out of frozen fish at home. I understand frozen fish (salmon and tuna) is safe, because at some point, it was frozen at -30C, which is supposed to kill any worms.
I have soy sauce. But where do you get wasabi? Supermarkets only have "wasabi paste", which looks (and tastes) quite differently from wasabi served at Japanese restaurants.
Also, some Japanese restaurants have salmon roe with a very low salt content they use to prepare certain dishes, like "ikura oroshi". I like it much more than salmon roe sold at supermarkets, which has lots of salt in it. Any idea where one can buy such salmon roe and how is it called?
Thanks, and everybody stay healthy of course
Here in Germany, we don't have a "hard" lockdown. There are even a few Japanese restaurants still open, offering sushi to go. But as a good citizen, I am trying minimizing my social contacts of course.
So I want to make sashimi out of frozen fish at home. I understand frozen fish (salmon and tuna) is safe, because at some point, it was frozen at -30C, which is supposed to kill any worms.
I have soy sauce. But where do you get wasabi? Supermarkets only have "wasabi paste", which looks (and tastes) quite differently from wasabi served at Japanese restaurants.
Also, some Japanese restaurants have salmon roe with a very low salt content they use to prepare certain dishes, like "ikura oroshi". I like it much more than salmon roe sold at supermarkets, which has lots of salt in it. Any idea where one can buy such salmon roe and how is it called?
Thanks, and everybody stay healthy of course
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Also, some Japanese restaurants have salmon roe with a very low salt content they use to prepare certain dishes, like "ikura oroshi". I like it much more than salmon roe sold at supermarkets, which has lots of salt in it. Any idea where one can buy such salmon roe and how is it called?
In a pinch, I wonder if soaking your supermarket salmon caviar in some freshwater before consumption would reduce the saltiness?
Last edited by cowie; Mar 24, 2020 at 9:47 pm
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Wow is hon wasabi expensive on Amazon.de
Hon Wasabi is made from wasabi root. Regular tube wasabi is normally a different horseradish variant. The powdered stuff.... I would pass on that unless traveling carry-on only with liquid restrictions (and even then, I have a small stash of decent wasabi packets).
The actual wasabi root is expensive but not that expensive. It's also labor intensive to grind it from the root. We usually get hon wasabi tube from our local Japanese grocery for around $6-7/tube since we're fortunate to have styles of asian grocers (Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean, etc). It might be something you can get from Amazon.co.jp in the future after all this or bring back from Japan. It is shelf stable until it is opened.
I will say that we/I have been more attentive to food safety recently along with actively being more easy going about food. It isn't the time for tummy aches or wasting food. My state's restaurants are delivery and take out only at the moment. If we do get take away then we are ordering two meals worth and storing the second meal & re-heating properly to reduce trips.
@LapLap Perhaps another thickener like cornstarch or arrowroot? Do people use rice flour as a thickener?
I think the thread is for virtual visits since many of us are outside Japan at the moment? I'm enjoying the start of cat X sakura season and regular sakura season on instagram.
The actual wasabi root is expensive but not that expensive. It's also labor intensive to grind it from the root. We usually get hon wasabi tube from our local Japanese grocery for around $6-7/tube since we're fortunate to have styles of asian grocers (Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean, etc). It might be something you can get from Amazon.co.jp in the future after all this or bring back from Japan. It is shelf stable until it is opened.
I will say that we/I have been more attentive to food safety recently along with actively being more easy going about food. It isn't the time for tummy aches or wasting food. My state's restaurants are delivery and take out only at the moment. If we do get take away then we are ordering two meals worth and storing the second meal & re-heating properly to reduce trips.
@LapLap Perhaps another thickener like cornstarch or arrowroot? Do people use rice flour as a thickener?
I think the thread is for virtual visits since many of us are outside Japan at the moment? I'm enjoying the start of cat X sakura season and regular sakura season on instagram.
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Yes, quite a few of us would be in Japan right now, or preparing and packing in order to be there next month.
nutwpinut ’s location in Fussa is particularly poignant to me as being at the nearby Showa Kinen Koen is such a family tradition for us in the Spring. LapChild not being with her grandfather is a tremendous disappointment for us, then again, not being with my parents brings us sadness too, but Spring really is Ojiisan’s time. Nevertheless, it’s good to learn here that there is food around, he’s a widower, does cook for himself, but doesn’t have the range and experience my own parents have and I would be worrying if Tokyo was experiencing the same problems London is.
cowie Sushi. Nigiri sushi is something I hardly ever make. LapChild (like SOO many kids who have been introduced to it at the right age) is a Nori Seaweed monster, LOVES nori, so I never really venture past norimaki and temaki sushi styles. You’ll hear that norimaki is the hardest of the sushi styles for an itamae/chef to master, that may be so, but it’s also the style where they need to somehow show excellence when many Japanese home cooks have a degree of competence - that must be a challenge.
But I’m going to assume you have no nori and focus on the salmon - I would never prepare frozen salmon to eat raw.
Two options
1 chirashi sushi (a very venerable style of sushi - when I go see family near Sendai for the Sakura season, a big plate of the most beautiful chirashi sushi will be on the table*, they don’t make nigiri sushi either, we go out for that)
2 onigiri - it’s fantastic with salmon.
Both options are great with fish eggs of any kind.
For chirashi sushi, if you can’t get sushi vinegar you can make your own, involves heating a mild vinegar to supersaturate sugar and sugar in it and then cooling it quickly so the vinegar doesn’t continue to evaporate.
For both options, main thing is getting the rice right - no need for a rice cooker. Any pot with a sealable lid will do (you can seal holes with paper, sarin wrap/cling film, foil, anything that stops stew from escaping). Will happily give a full walk through if you or anyone else is interested - needs to be a short grain rice.
* an example of that home cooked “sushi”
nutwpinut ’s location in Fussa is particularly poignant to me as being at the nearby Showa Kinen Koen is such a family tradition for us in the Spring. LapChild not being with her grandfather is a tremendous disappointment for us, then again, not being with my parents brings us sadness too, but Spring really is Ojiisan’s time. Nevertheless, it’s good to learn here that there is food around, he’s a widower, does cook for himself, but doesn’t have the range and experience my own parents have and I would be worrying if Tokyo was experiencing the same problems London is.
cowie Sushi. Nigiri sushi is something I hardly ever make. LapChild (like SOO many kids who have been introduced to it at the right age) is a Nori Seaweed monster, LOVES nori, so I never really venture past norimaki and temaki sushi styles. You’ll hear that norimaki is the hardest of the sushi styles for an itamae/chef to master, that may be so, but it’s also the style where they need to somehow show excellence when many Japanese home cooks have a degree of competence - that must be a challenge.
But I’m going to assume you have no nori and focus on the salmon - I would never prepare frozen salmon to eat raw.
Two options
1 chirashi sushi (a very venerable style of sushi - when I go see family near Sendai for the Sakura season, a big plate of the most beautiful chirashi sushi will be on the table*, they don’t make nigiri sushi either, we go out for that)
2 onigiri - it’s fantastic with salmon.
Both options are great with fish eggs of any kind.
For chirashi sushi, if you can’t get sushi vinegar you can make your own, involves heating a mild vinegar to supersaturate sugar and sugar in it and then cooling it quickly so the vinegar doesn’t continue to evaporate.
For both options, main thing is getting the rice right - no need for a rice cooker. Any pot with a sealable lid will do (you can seal holes with paper, sarin wrap/cling film, foil, anything that stops stew from escaping). Will happily give a full walk through if you or anyone else is interested - needs to be a short grain rice.
* an example of that home cooked “sushi”
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Really hoped to learn more about how milk powder was used - that was the original point to its introduction to Japanese schools; milk powder was one of the food stuffs introduced to Japan at that time, the directive was for the kids to consume it and they (naturally) hated it. Except in Cream Stew. The clock has turned, we’re back at that time (albeit for very different reasons) I could do with some of that old time wisdom, it’s just locked away beyond my reach.
Wasabi - unless you’re able to get yourself the fancy stuff (or grow you own) it’s mostly just standard European style horseradish with colouring. If you can get your hands on powdered “wasabi”, you can mix that with a bit of finely grated daikon (or a peeled salad radish) instead of water to get a slightly more “authentic” texture. Even in Japan, a lot of the cheaper wasabi is just zhuzhed up horseradish.
Even freecia might accept powdered wasabi reconstituted with ground daikon - just don’t disclose what it is! If you add a bit of fresh horseradish too it will be indistinguishable from most store bought brands.
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Because to me, the alternatives seem to be either frozen fish, or cooled "sushi grade" fish some places sell. An I am not sure I can trust that sushi grade fish either - in addition to the same question about the refrigeration chain, there is also a question of how long it has been sitting on the counter and whether it could pick up any bacteria/parasites there.
Hmmm, onigiri looks like an interesting idea - I do have some nori sheets left.
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This thread is a great idea!
That cream stew is very similar to a basic clam chowder. Sub in clam juice for the dashi and white wine for the sake and you've got a like for like. I make a version with clam, oyster, and squid that's a crowd pleaser during the fall and winter. As to the powdered version, I've seen homemade "Cream of Soup" mixes that utilize the ingredient and can be subbed in for a regular wet cream base. I've got one in my recipe spreadsheet, see below:
I have a question, what is the right nori for ongiri? I'm very lucky to have a small Asian market about 40ft from my building's door but I never know what kind to buy. I have been trying to make spam musubi but the last two nori packages I tried just fell apart and ended up being a snack before dinner.
That cream stew is very similar to a basic clam chowder. Sub in clam juice for the dashi and white wine for the sake and you've got a like for like. I make a version with clam, oyster, and squid that's a crowd pleaser during the fall and winter. As to the powdered version, I've seen homemade "Cream of Soup" mixes that utilize the ingredient and can be subbed in for a regular wet cream base. I've got one in my recipe spreadsheet, see below:
- 2 cups dry Milk Powder
- 2 1/2 cups All-Purpose Flour
- 1/4 cup Chicken Broth Powder
- 2 Tablespoons dried Onion Flakes
I have a question, what is the right nori for ongiri? I'm very lucky to have a small Asian market about 40ft from my building's door but I never know what kind to buy. I have been trying to make spam musubi but the last two nori packages I tried just fell apart and ended up being a snack before dinner.

