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Do you prepare any raw fish at home at all? If yes, where do you get the fish?
Because to me, the alternatives seem to be either frozen fish, or cooled "sushi grade" fish some places sell. An I am not sure I can trust that sushi grade fish either - in addition to the same question about the refrigeration chain, there is also a question of how long it has been sitting on the counter and whether it could pick up any bacteria/parasites there.
Hmmm, onigiri looks like an interesting idea - I do have some nori sheets left.
Because to me, the alternatives seem to be either frozen fish, or cooled "sushi grade" fish some places sell. An I am not sure I can trust that sushi grade fish either - in addition to the same question about the refrigeration chain, there is also a question of how long it has been sitting on the counter and whether it could pick up any bacteria/parasites there.
Hmmm, onigiri looks like an interesting idea - I do have some nori sheets left.
Thankfully, there are PLENTY of other Japanese foods that don’t involve raw fish.
Mind you, chirashi sushi is delicious with smoked salmon as a component part.
If we were in Japan, we’d be eating salmon soboro every day at breakfast time. This is definitely something you can make with frozen salmon. It’s a staple in many Japanese homes and I prepare it in England quite often (although it never lasts more than a couple of days, no matter how much I make). Salmon soboro is perfect for onigiri (rice balls) and makes an ideal ochazuke ingredient - hard to think of anything more typically Japanese than ochazuke.
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I have a question, what is the right nori for ongiri? I'm very lucky to have a small Asian market about 40ft from my building's door but I never know what kind to buy. I have been trying to make spam musubi but the last two nori packages I tried just fell apart and ended up being a snack before dinner.
Nori. All I can tell you is that there are different kinds with one type that disintegrates when wet (which is great for adding to pasta and stirring into dishes) and the other that is sturdier and more robust which is much handier for spam musubi or temaki etc... What I cant tell you is how to tell them apart without trying it, especially if relying on English packaging or a product information sticker.
Theres also the Korean kind (popular in Japan at breakfast time) which has oils and seasonings. These are much more likely to fall apart than not.
All I can say is, check the ingredients. If there is oil listed, or more ingredients than simply nori or laver, Id assume it would fall apart easily.
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Theres also the Korean kind (popular in Japan at breakfast time) which has oils and seasonings. These are much more likely to fall apart than not.
All I can say is, check the ingredients. If there is oil listed, or more ingredients than simply nori or laver, Id assume it would fall apart easily.
All I can say is, check the ingredients. If there is oil listed, or more ingredients than simply nori or laver, Id assume it would fall apart easily.
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Nori. All I can tell you is that there are different kinds with one type that disintegrates when wet (which is great for adding to pasta and stirring into dishes) and the other that is sturdier and more robust which is much handier for spam musubi or temaki etc... What I cant tell you is how to tell them apart without trying it, especially if relying on English packaging or a product information sticker.
Theres also the Korean kind (popular in Japan at breakfast time) which has oils and seasonings. These are much more likely to fall apart than not.
All I can say is, check the ingredients. If there is oil listed, or more ingredients than simply nori or laver, Id assume it would fall apart easily.
Theres also the Korean kind (popular in Japan at breakfast time) which has oils and seasonings. These are much more likely to fall apart than not.
All I can say is, check the ingredients. If there is oil listed, or more ingredients than simply nori or laver, Id assume it would fall apart easily.
Wasabi - unless youre able to get yourself the fancy stuff (or grow you own) its mostly just standard European style horseradish with colouring. If you can get your hands on powdered wasabi, you can mix that with a bit of finely grated daikon (or a peeled salad radish) instead of water to get a slightly more authentic texture. Even in Japan, a lot of the cheaper wasabi is just zhuzhed up horseradish.
Even freecia might accept powdered wasabi reconstituted with ground daikon - just dont disclose what it is! If you add a bit of fresh horseradish too it will be indistinguishable from most store bought brands.
Even freecia might accept powdered wasabi reconstituted with ground daikon - just dont disclose what it is! If you add a bit of fresh horseradish too it will be indistinguishable from most store bought brands.
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Examples of the Korean kind if anyone is curious:
- Full-sheet, including ones used for rolls: https://www.maangchi.com/ingredient/kim
- Smaller sheets: https://www.hmart.com/88070048028
- Roasted flakes: https://www.hmart.com/880105274172
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The Korean kind of nori (gim) usually has sesame oil and roasted, with smaller flakes so bending it while fresh makes it crack more easily. https://www.opb.org/artsandlife/seri...asted-seaweed/ I've also suspected that the seaweed algae type is also slightly different but perhaps it is the treatment? Wikipedia says they're both red algae https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nori https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gim_(food)
I’ll do an integrity test with some nori we have farmed near Shiogama (close to Sendai), but in a few days - haven’t opened the pack yet, and it’s really my daughter’s, a gift from her aunt.
It’s the nori made with oil that I can imagine breaking apart when using it to hold spam and rice together. Added to an onigiri should be fine. Gradfly’s tip about roasting this kind of oil infused nori sounds like sage advice.
LOL. I like wasabi in all price ranges (like I do sushi) but do try to avoid the ones with extra dyes. I just usually don't get the water ratio right for powdered wasabi and it becomes a watery green puddle. Might be good for introducing the diluted flavor to kids who like a bit of hot kick?
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I have had quality wasabi only at high-end sushi places here in NYC. I don't mind the garden variety dyed horseradish at all though, I just use less and it's pretty tasty.
I have a huge stock of shichimi togarashi, korean red pepper flakes, and hondashi currently. I have been on a quest to make the perfect miso soup. I've added everything from sweet potato to raw garlic to see what fits. My current favorite is dashi, chicken stock, a tiny pat of butter, soy simmered chicken thigh, scallions, and dark brown rice miso. I vary the veggies depending on what's in the root basket.
The korean red pepper has been a constant since I learned about cheese buldak and make it every time we have guests.
I have a huge stock of shichimi togarashi, korean red pepper flakes, and hondashi currently. I have been on a quest to make the perfect miso soup. I've added everything from sweet potato to raw garlic to see what fits. My current favorite is dashi, chicken stock, a tiny pat of butter, soy simmered chicken thigh, scallions, and dark brown rice miso. I vary the veggies depending on what's in the root basket.
The korean red pepper has been a constant since I learned about cheese buldak and make it every time we have guests.
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Speaking of wasabi and "spicy". What are the Japanese words for the type of nasal burn that wasabi/horseradish brings rather than mouth burning/heat peppers? It's not the same words in Mandarin and most Indian dialects also have different words for flavorful, nasal spicy, vs mouth burn but alas, in English, it's all "spicy"?
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Not a word but a phrase:
Hana ni kuru (goes to the nose)
And there is an onomatopoeia - tsu-n, and depending on how long the nasal sensation lingers you lengthen the word.
So tsu——n if it is lingeringly eyewatering.
Tsu-n to kuru (comes like a tsu-n)
An exploration of how to ease the suffering from strong wasabi:
and from that we just learned why wasabi is not used with oily or fatty fish.
Hana ni kuru (goes to the nose)
And there is an onomatopoeia - tsu-n, and depending on how long the nasal sensation lingers you lengthen the word.
So tsu——n if it is lingeringly eyewatering.
Tsu-n to kuru (comes like a tsu-n)
An exploration of how to ease the suffering from strong wasabi:
and from that we just learned why wasabi is not used with oily or fatty fish.
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Speaking of wasabi and "spicy". What are the Japanese words for the type of nasal burn that wasabi/horseradish brings rather than mouth burning/heat peppers? It's not the same words in Mandarin and most Indian dialects also have different words for flavorful, nasal spicy, vs mouth burn but alas, in English, it's all "spicy"?
Diner 1: Do you think this is real wasabi?
Diner 2: Meh. It's got a sharp bite but there's no disguising the caustic nose feel of ersatz wasabi.
Diner 1: Yeah. It tastes like they made it by mashing up leaves with gasoline and ammonia in a pit
Diner 2: Hmm. I'm getting aromas of old leather too.
Last edited by jib71; Mar 25, 2020 at 8:38 pm
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Nose feel should be a thing. I think it would useful for describing acidic flavors which seem to reach into my nose with some bite, at times, beyond just tongue tartness. Tsun is similar to Mandarin "ts-ong" which is used to describe the same feeling. Maybe I can appropriate the word into English like umami (which is a personal pet peeve of mine - I find it to be a lazy descriptor and overused buzzword in English).
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Nose feel might be the only “taste” you get whilst experiencing the classic COVID-19 absence of sense of smell. Then again, if fat blots it out instantly perhaps it is the sixth taste that we perceive as a feeling.
Haven’t got my head around this yet.
Did lose my sense of taste for months once through Bell’s Palsy, but never did any horseradish or wasabi tests then. Only thing I remember tasting delicious from that time was grapefruit.
Haven’t got my head around this yet.
Did lose my sense of taste for months once through Bell’s Palsy, but never did any horseradish or wasabi tests then. Only thing I remember tasting delicious from that time was grapefruit.
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Yesterday I sowed two tubs of earth with Mizuna seeds. Am not an avid gardener, but have grown mizuna before. It’s similar in some ways to rocket/arugula but is far less spicy.
Takes about 6 weeks to grow. Lovely raw, but can be lightly cooked, it’s a nice addition to a nabe. Quite resistant to pests compared to other salad plants. If you haven’t considered growing mizuna before, I highly recommend it. Has a mild taste and is very versatile.
Am also freezing some shiso/green perilla seeds and will be trying to germinate these next week. Warning: snails and slugs LOVE young shiso. Don’t leave it outside until it is substantially grown, once it is reasonably robust it should withstand a ravaging by the molluscs, but not whilst it is young and tender.
Takes about 6 weeks to grow. Lovely raw, but can be lightly cooked, it’s a nice addition to a nabe. Quite resistant to pests compared to other salad plants. If you haven’t considered growing mizuna before, I highly recommend it. Has a mild taste and is very versatile.
Am also freezing some shiso/green perilla seeds and will be trying to germinate these next week. Warning: snails and slugs LOVE young shiso. Don’t leave it outside until it is substantially grown, once it is reasonably robust it should withstand a ravaging by the molluscs, but not whilst it is young and tender.
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I've wanted to plant shiso but fear it'd take over the yard as it grows like mint or basil. https://justhungry.com/how-grow-shiso-perilla
In a bit of virtual visit fun, I queued up some of the "homenami" videos Cherry Blossoms Are in Full Bloom, But This Year Let?s Enjoy Them From Home | Spoon & Tamago but can't stop staring at the people. Social distancing people! Social distancing!!! No, not relaxing. So I give you the midnight version. Put it on mute if you like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKOfdZpANuI
And some Dogen coronavirus haikus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC35ibZd1LE
In a bit of virtual visit fun, I queued up some of the "homenami" videos Cherry Blossoms Are in Full Bloom, But This Year Let?s Enjoy Them From Home | Spoon & Tamago but can't stop staring at the people. Social distancing people! Social distancing!!! No, not relaxing. So I give you the midnight version. Put it on mute if you like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKOfdZpANuI
And some Dogen coronavirus haikus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC35ibZd1LE
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Shiso, once full grown, does have some seriously strong roots that resist removal and can strong-arm it’s way across a plot. I’d suggest keeping it in a pot.
I adore pickled shiso seed Tsukemono and would love to have a go at making it but have never managed to get it to grow to a point where it produces seeds. Not sure if I’m using some sterile hybrid selected for the taste of its leaves or if the season just isn’t long enough. As I said, am not much of a gardener - way more interested in cooking than cultivating.
And thanks for remembering our predilection for night time Sakura viewing ❤️
I adore pickled shiso seed Tsukemono and would love to have a go at making it but have never managed to get it to grow to a point where it produces seeds. Not sure if I’m using some sterile hybrid selected for the taste of its leaves or if the season just isn’t long enough. As I said, am not much of a gardener - way more interested in cooking than cultivating.
And thanks for remembering our predilection for night time Sakura viewing ❤️

