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JR Trains:
The standard rule for ticket change, cancellation, and refund is that all those has to be done before the departure time of the train where ticket has been reserved. However, JR ticket offices are currently experiencing long line of people trying to cancel or change there tickets.
JR has announced that for trains tickets affected by typhoon no. 19 cancellation (refund) and change can be made even after the departure time of the train has passed.
NRT:
Airport authority is in talk with airlines so that Saturday, 12th NRT will not accept any arriving flights. Last month during Typhoon no. 15 about 170,000 passengers were stuck at NRT because post typhoon weather condition allowed normal takeoff/landing at the airport but all public transport remained shut down to close for a day. Passengers had not way to get out of NRT. NRT airport authority is trying to avoid the same situation as last month.
Food and Supplies:
Most department stores and super markets in Tokyo area have announced that their stores will be closed on Saturday 12th. Seven Eleven has said that about 1000 of their stores will be closed on Saturday 12th. Other convenience stores have said the decision will be up to individual store, and expected that many stores will be closed. If you have not stocked food for Saturday and Sunday morning by now then....
Toshima Ward:
Issued Special Warning (特別警戒) asking residents to seek shelter.
Itabashi Ward:
Suggesting residents to take shelter.
Setagaya Ward, Tokyo:
Heavy rain warning. Possible flooding and mudslide.
ANA:
Cancelled all flights out of HND on Saturday, 12th , and cancelled all flights out of NRT on Sunday, 13th.
Free Wi-Fi:
Cell phone companies are providing free Wi-Fi during Typhoon on. 19 at Tokyo, Kanagawa, Saitama, Chiba, Tochigi, Gunma, Ibaraki, Shizuoka, Nagano, Yamanashi, Niigata, Fukushima, and Miyagi prefectures. This free Wi-Fi will appears as "00000JAPAN".
Iwaki City, Fukushima:
City has issued evacuation directive to all 340000 residents of the city.
JAL:
All flights out of NRT is cancelled for Sunday, 13th.
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Old Oct 12, 2019 | 7:29 pm
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The reason for ANA and JAL cancelling all flights in Narita on the 13th is not the airport operations as such that is the cause. Cargo planes are arriving. I also see Scandinavian Airlines coming in to Narita, but that is just about the only European airline coming in today.
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Old Oct 12, 2019 | 7:45 pm
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Originally Posted by hailstorm
安全第一

You're absolutely wrong, and that's the last I have to say on the matter.
What a convincing rebuttal,
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Old Oct 12, 2019 | 7:59 pm
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The Scotland vs Japan Rugby Match is to go ahead today in Yokohama
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Old Oct 12, 2019 | 8:09 pm
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Originally Posted by hailstorm
安全第一
I agree.
And condolences to the families of those who died yesterday due to the typhoon.
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Old Oct 12, 2019 | 8:24 pm
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Originally Posted by muji
I agree.
And condolences to the families of those who died yesterday due to the typhoon.
And condolences to the families of those who died because they couldn't get timely medical services because the transport system was shut down. And condolences to the 50 families of those who died due to bath tab drownings in Japan yesterday because the government failed do take the precaution of shutting down the water system.

"Safety first" sounds great, but that's not the way people or societies actually make decisions.
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Old Oct 12, 2019 | 8:36 pm
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Originally Posted by 5khours
"Safety first" sounds great, but that's not the way people or societies actually make decisions.
Ever been inside a Japanese factory? Or more broadly, a factory in a developed country? It's all about 安全第一 and the numbers show it. Here is a little piece of data to back that up: Since 1984, 14 people have been killed by robots in the US. In 2016 alone, more than 34,000 people died in car accidents in the US. So yes, in some domains, that's how decisions are made.

Whether a human life is worth that much is a different question.
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Old Oct 12, 2019 | 9:26 pm
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Extensive water damage across many prefectures.

In Tokyo Metropolitan area alone more than 240,000 homes are still without power as of this hour.
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Old Oct 12, 2019 | 10:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Pickles
Ever been inside a Japanese factory? Or more broadly, a factory in a developed country? It's all about 安全第一 and the numbers show it. Here is a little piece of data to back that up: Since 1984, 14 people have been killed by robots in the US. In 2016 alone, more than 34,000 people died in car accidents in the US. So yes, in some domains, that's how decisions are made.

Whether a human life is worth that much is a different question.
1. Fatality rates for occupational accidents adjusted for GDP is lower in the U.S. than in Japan if you exclude on the job auto accidents (American workers drive further and faster while on the job.) If you further exclude acts of violence and self-inflicted drug overdoses, the U.S. workplace is safer even on per worker basis.

2. I look at factory accident rates every month as part of my work. Accident rates in U.S. factories have dropped dramatically over the last 50 years. Not because of safety first but because companies are rational and the benefit to cost ratio from safety precautions in the work place is very high.

3. Adjusting for miles driven the auto-accident fatality rate is only slightly higher in the U.S. than in Japan. If you were to adjust for average speed driven, American roads are far, far safer than Japanese roads at any given speed.
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Old Oct 12, 2019 | 10:10 pm
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Originally Posted by muji
Extensive water damage across many prefectures.

In Tokyo Metropolitan area alone more than 240,000 homes are still without power as of this hour.
Not Tokyo. Kanto yes. Tokyo is like a few thousand. And 250k as a percentage for all of Kanto is comparable to what you get with a thunderstorm in the U.S.
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Old Oct 12, 2019 | 10:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Pickles
Ever been inside a Japanese factory? Or more broadly, a factory in a developed country? It's all about [color=#333333]安全第一 and the numbers show it. Here is a little piece of data to back that up: Since 1984, 14 people have been killed by robots in the US. In 2016 alone, more than 34,000 people died in car accidents in the US. So yes, in some domains, that's how decisions are made.
And you had the highest level of heavy rain warning ever issued throughout the entire Kanto area, including the all-important Metropolitan Tokyo area.

But I suppose the JMA was just reacting hysterically due to media influence.
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Old Oct 12, 2019 | 10:37 pm
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Accident rates in U.S. factories have dropped dramatically over the last 50 years. Not because of safety first but because companies are rational and the benefit to cost ratio from safety precautions in the work place is very high.
This makes no sense unless the cost of an injury or death is so high (from downtime costs to legal liabilities) that you'd be willing to worry (and spend) a lot on safety to avoid it. Which is the same thing as saying 安全第一. And this is consistent with your statements that factories in the US are safer than in Japan (which I'd be willing to believe), simply from the fact that legal liabilities from accidental injury or death are probably way higher in the US than in Japan.

In the case of the JMA, they could be all cavalier about it and it turns out to be a catastrophe. They'd be in way more hot water than if they listened to you and the typhoon turned out to be a damp squib.
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Originally Posted by Pickles
This makes no sense unless the cost of an injury or death is so high (from downtime costs to legal liabilities) that you'd be willing to worry (and spend) a lot on safety to avoid it. Which is the same thing as saying 安全第一. And this is consistent with your statements that factories in the US are safer than in Japan (which I'd be willing to believe), simply from the fact that legal liabilities from accidental injury or death are probably way higher in the US than in Japan.

In the case of the JMA, they could be all cavalier about it and it turns out to be a catastrophe. They'd be in way more hot water than if they listened to you and the typhoon turned out to be a damp squib.
The dollar cost for occupational injury is mostly medical (most companies self-insure health care for their employees) and the cost of the loss of a skilled worker. Liability is covered by workmen's comp. More than the dollar cost though, I'd say the emotional cost of having a friend or colleague get hurt or killed is what drives a lot of the decision making. Plus safety is generally very cheap to implement.

IMHO, JMA is usually pretty good on the warnings, but when the media goes berserk it forces them to be to be overly cautious. In the most recent case, the media was publishing outright lies about Hagibis and it left the JMA no room for good decision making.
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Old Oct 13, 2019 | 12:22 am
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Originally Posted by hailstorm
And you had the highest level of heavy rain warning ever issued throughout the entire Kanto area, including the all-important Metropolitan Tokyo area.

But I suppose the JMA was just reacting hysterically due to media influence.
I know I am looking at a fairly small area of central Tokyo by what I can see from my 14th floor home. But I was actually surprised that we did not get more rain based on the warnings that were issued. I need to see if I can find a rain gauge for this area and get an actual statistic for how much rain we actually got yesterday. I have seen worse.
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Old Oct 13, 2019 | 12:31 am
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Actually it looks like the flooding and loss of life outside of Tokyo was much more severe than it first appeared. Hardly a "nothing-burger." Many of my earlier comments were inappropriate and I apologize to my fellow FT-ers.
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Old Oct 13, 2019 | 12:32 am
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Originally Posted by CPH-Flyer
I know I am looking at a fairly small area of central Tokyo by what I can see from my 14th floor home. But I was actually surprised that we did not get more rain based on the warnings that were issued. I need to see if I can find a rain gauge for this area and get an actual statistic for how much rain we actually got yesterday. I have seen worse.
The rainfall was erratic, not like a big blanket of rain covering everything equally. You might see quite a difference between places just over 10km apart.

The worst part of this storm was the heavy rain in the mountains (Hakone got over one meter of rain in a 48 hour period), which caused the associated rivers to swell, which caused rivers to overflow their banks in 14 areas, and caused three breaks in the embankments. That's what has caused the majority of death associated with this storm thus far.
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