How many miles and points do you have?
#17
FlyerTalk Evangelist




Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: SGF
Programs: AS, AA, UA, AGR S+, Choice Platinum
Posts: 23,319
The post two above yours (by Tr60) gives a good example.
Personally, I don't bother with credit card churning. I've earned about 300-400K miles per year for the last few years just through butt-in-seat flying (total of $3-5K per year spent on fares) and credit card spend ($30-40Kish, but a lot of that is spend in categories that qualify for double points on my card). I don't do hotel points, except I did take advantage of the IHG Win Big promo at the end of last year to earn about 100K IHG Reward points for staying four nights in IHG properties.
If/when it becomes harder to earn enough miles the traditional way due to airline program changes coming down the pike, I may look at credit card churning and using those miles to fly most of my trips rather than pay cash for my tickets, but for now, I'm happy with where I'm at.
Personally, I don't bother with credit card churning. I've earned about 300-400K miles per year for the last few years just through butt-in-seat flying (total of $3-5K per year spent on fares) and credit card spend ($30-40Kish, but a lot of that is spend in categories that qualify for double points on my card). I don't do hotel points, except I did take advantage of the IHG Win Big promo at the end of last year to earn about 100K IHG Reward points for staying four nights in IHG properties.
If/when it becomes harder to earn enough miles the traditional way due to airline program changes coming down the pike, I may look at credit card churning and using those miles to fly most of my trips rather than pay cash for my tickets, but for now, I'm happy with where I'm at.
#18




Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: Airline agnostic / Hyatt top tier(lifetime)
Posts: 663
last year earned
230k AA (100k Butt in seat - 1 Card with misc charges)
150k UA (78k Butt in seat - Explorer card misc charges)
700k UR (Ink cards and lots of spend)
guess im a bit over a mil.. with ~ 175k butt in seat miles alot of spending on the Chase cards tho
230k AA (100k Butt in seat - 1 Card with misc charges)
150k UA (78k Butt in seat - Explorer card misc charges)
700k UR (Ink cards and lots of spend)
guess im a bit over a mil.. with ~ 175k butt in seat miles alot of spending on the Chase cards tho
#19
Suspended
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: In order of nights spent: MSP, ORD, OGG, FCO, LHR
Programs: DL 1MM Dia, AA Plat, UA 1MM Gold, HHonors LT Dia, Marriott/SPG LT Plat Prem
Posts: 473
Air:
Delta Miles: 292,539 miles burned 220,000
Hotel:
HHonors 1,299,560 (Almost all in the first 3 months of 2013), Burned 489,000
Marriott 400,818, burned 60,000
SPG 46,820, burned 0
Delta Miles: 292,539 miles burned 220,000
Hotel:
HHonors 1,299,560 (Almost all in the first 3 months of 2013), Burned 489,000
Marriott 400,818, burned 60,000
SPG 46,820, burned 0
#20
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: 36,000 feet
Programs: RR: A List Preferred. DL, UA, AA: may as well be nothing
Posts: 88
I don't earn anywhere near as many as some on here. I don't play the credit card game, why jeopardize a credit score for a few airline points of depreciating value? I stick with Chase Preferred and can use those rewards on virtually any airline, not just the one on front of a card.
I now burn airline miles as soon as I earn them. been caught out too many times hoarding them when a devaluation comes along....my current situation with WN! I earned a 150K points on WN last year and now trying to burn them as fast as possible.
I now burn airline miles as soon as I earn them. been caught out too many times hoarding them when a devaluation comes along....my current situation with WN! I earned a 150K points on WN last year and now trying to burn them as fast as possible.
#21
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Splitting time between small towns in NorCal and Wydaho
Programs: Amethyst Premier Plutonium Medallion
Posts: 21,531
in November 2012 i redeemed 270,000 UA miles leaving a balance of <25,000. my account is back up to >200,000. 100% based on flying, hotel partner stays, car rentals. no CC earning.
many members here maintain balances of >400-500,000 miles. some in the millions.
because of constantly changing values, mostly to our detriment, i plan to burn down my UA pile in the near future.
in a typical year i burn around 75-100,000 miles and earn between 125-200,000.
this year i expect to earn about 150,000 mostly on AS and spend about 250,000, exclusively on UA.
many members here maintain balances of >400-500,000 miles. some in the millions.
because of constantly changing values, mostly to our detriment, i plan to burn down my UA pile in the near future.
in a typical year i burn around 75-100,000 miles and earn between 125-200,000.
this year i expect to earn about 150,000 mostly on AS and spend about 250,000, exclusively on UA.
#22
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 387
The post two above yours (by Tr60) gives a good example.
Personally, I don't bother with credit card churning. I've earned about 300-400K miles per year for the last few years just through butt-in-seat flying (total of $3-5K per year spent on fares) and credit card spend ($30-40Kish, but a lot of that is spend in categories that qualify for double points on my card). I don't do hotel points, except I did take advantage of the IHG Win Big promo at the end of last year to earn about 100K IHG Reward points for staying four nights in IHG properties.
If/when it becomes harder to earn enough miles the traditional way due to airline program changes coming down the pike, I may look at credit card churning and using those miles to fly most of my trips rather than pay cash for my tickets, but for now, I'm happy with where I'm at.
Personally, I don't bother with credit card churning. I've earned about 300-400K miles per year for the last few years just through butt-in-seat flying (total of $3-5K per year spent on fares) and credit card spend ($30-40Kish, but a lot of that is spend in categories that qualify for double points on my card). I don't do hotel points, except I did take advantage of the IHG Win Big promo at the end of last year to earn about 100K IHG Reward points for staying four nights in IHG properties.
If/when it becomes harder to earn enough miles the traditional way due to airline program changes coming down the pike, I may look at credit card churning and using those miles to fly most of my trips rather than pay cash for my tickets, but for now, I'm happy with where I'm at.
#23
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Join Date: May 2012
Location: ORD
Programs: AA, UA, AS, DL, BA, F9, IHG Plat, HH Gold, CC Gold, SPG Gold, MR Silver
Posts: 1,786
I don't earn anywhere near as many as some on here. I don't play the credit card game, why jeopardize a credit score for a few airline points of depreciating value? I stick with Chase Preferred and can use those rewards on virtually any airline, not just the one on front of a card.
I now burn airline miles as soon as I earn them. been caught out too many times hoarding them when a devaluation comes along....my current situation with WN! I earned a 150K points on WN last year and now trying to burn them as fast as possible.
I now burn airline miles as soon as I earn them. been caught out too many times hoarding them when a devaluation comes along....my current situation with WN! I earned a 150K points on WN last year and now trying to burn them as fast as possible.
Earned ~2MM and burned about 1.3MM....4 trips to SE Asia. Still have a little over 3MM and not overly concerned with devaluations.
#24
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Constantly on the move
Posts: 44
I don't earn anywhere near as many as some on here. I don't play the credit card game, why jeopardize a credit score for a few airline points of depreciating value? I stick with Chase Preferred and can use those rewards on virtually any airline, not just the one on front of a card.
I now burn airline miles as soon as I earn them. been caught out too many times hoarding them when a devaluation comes along....my current situation with WN! I earned a 150K points on WN last year and now trying to burn them as fast as possible.
I now burn airline miles as soon as I earn them. been caught out too many times hoarding them when a devaluation comes along....my current situation with WN! I earned a 150K points on WN last year and now trying to burn them as fast as possible.
-carry zero balance (otherwise, the game is not worth it)
-Pay in full before the statements are issued so that your ratio of credit used vs. credit available is very low.
-Keep track of all cards in an excel spreadsheet with all the required info so that nothing falls through the cracks!
-And you got to love this game
. This is a hobby more than anything else but that earns you some money. I calculated that the points spent last year were worth about $30 K.I don't do any manufactured spending. It is all 100% legit.
#25
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 136
I am new to the game and just joined the group. I would like to take a dig and see if I can play this hobby/game well.
Prior to miles knowledge, I have 3 cash back cards and 1 Chase freedom. Recently I applied for 3 miles earning cards. Should I cancel few cash back cards or stay with them?
In other words, are airline/hotel miles more worth than cash back cards? Thanks!
My credit score is > 750 but it does say too many accounts open.
Prior to miles knowledge, I have 3 cash back cards and 1 Chase freedom. Recently I applied for 3 miles earning cards. Should I cancel few cash back cards or stay with them?
In other words, are airline/hotel miles more worth than cash back cards? Thanks!
My credit score is > 750 but it does say too many accounts open.
#26




Join Date: Jun 2012
Programs: AA EXP, Hyatt Globalist, AF Silver
Posts: 5,018
I redeem about half of what I earn each year. I would use them all if I had enough vacation days. I'm holding on to about 300K UA miles for a trip I have planned for Sept 2015. Hopefully UA won't devalue too much again before that, after the Feb devaluation.
#27
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Constantly on the move
Posts: 44
I am new to the game and just joined the group. I would like to take a dig and see if I can play this hobby/game well.
Prior to miles knowledge, I have 3 cash back cards and 1 Chase freedom. Recently I applied for 3 miles earning cards. Should I cancel few cash back cards or stay with them?
In other words, are airline/hotel miles more worth than cash back cards? Thanks!
My credit score is > 750 but it does say too many accounts open.
Prior to miles knowledge, I have 3 cash back cards and 1 Chase freedom. Recently I applied for 3 miles earning cards. Should I cancel few cash back cards or stay with them?
In other words, are airline/hotel miles more worth than cash back cards? Thanks!
My credit score is > 750 but it does say too many accounts open.
It has great info on all of your above questions. Check out also their top 30 list. It is interesting.
You can get much more detailed and specific answers on FT but you will have to read a lot!
The short answer is that you don't have to cancel the existing cards specially if they don't carry annual fees.
Keep in my mind that most if not all rewards cc programs include cash back features. Barclays Arrival, Chase Ultimate rewards, Amex Membership Rewards,... all have such feature (you can pay your bill with your points). But it is often not the best way to use points as you can get much more value using points for business class tickets.
#28
In Memoriam, FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Durham, NC (RDU/GSO/CLT)
Programs: AA EXP/MM, DL GM, UA Platinum, HH DIA, Hyatt Explorist, IHG Platinum, Marriott Titanium, Hertz PC
Posts: 33,856
Good question! I keep track of such things, here's my yearly break down:
2013: Earn: 087,464 - Burn: 022,500
2012: Earn: 130,121 - Burn: 185,000
2011: Earn: 141,405 - Burn: 277,500
2010: Earn: 171,154 - Burn: 132,500
2009: Earn: 220,870 - Burn: 117,500
2008: Earn: 189,441 - Burn: 270,000
2007: Earn: 291,723 - Burn: 300,000
2006: Earn: 274,066 - Burn: 185,000
2005: Earn: 190,752 - Burn: 305,000
2004: Earn: 147,186 - Burn: 050,000
2003: Earn: 145,311 - Burn: 0
2002: Earn: 030,715 - Burn: 0
As you can see, last year was a really down year for me but things have been trending down for a while. Fewer mileage bonuses I've qualified for, less status, less travel etc.
2013: Earn: 087,464 - Burn: 022,500
2012: Earn: 130,121 - Burn: 185,000
2011: Earn: 141,405 - Burn: 277,500
2010: Earn: 171,154 - Burn: 132,500
2009: Earn: 220,870 - Burn: 117,500
2008: Earn: 189,441 - Burn: 270,000
2007: Earn: 291,723 - Burn: 300,000
2006: Earn: 274,066 - Burn: 185,000
2005: Earn: 190,752 - Burn: 305,000
2004: Earn: 147,186 - Burn: 050,000
2003: Earn: 145,311 - Burn: 0
2002: Earn: 030,715 - Burn: 0
As you can see, last year was a really down year for me but things have been trending down for a while. Fewer mileage bonuses I've qualified for, less status, less travel etc.
#29
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: San Antonio
Programs: AS MVP
Posts: 2,276
2013 totals for Misses and me combined:
1K miles from paid flights
1.6 million miles and points from CC signups
300K miles and points from spending and promos
760K miles and points burned
#30


Join Date: May 2002
Location: Arizona
Posts: 5,900
How many miles do you earn and burn annually?
Earn them and burn them. It will go beyond devaluation in my opinion. You will not be able to redeem F international awards soon without a large additional charge in dollars and or elite status. Think of BA current surcharges times a multiple. Just my thoughts and unfortunately I have a lot of miles.

