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abhilife2001 Feb 7, 2011 7:50 am


Originally Posted by snod08 (Post 15817835)
Well, I have paid (and continue to pay) plenty of this "social security tax" and "medicare tax"... None of which I will ever get back.

Keep in mind that, if you are an employee, your employer pays only 7.5% of the social security + Medicare taxes. You pay the rest of the 7.5% out of your gross income in the US.

I cannot believe expats working in INdia complain that they have to pay some taxes.

At this moment, I would like to say a bunch of expletives.....:mad::mad::mad:

+1.. but IMHO, the problem is more with the media .. they always try to favour the foreigners more.. heck we need to lose our sl*** mentality.. :mad:


Originally Posted by snod08 (Post 15817845)
Yes, the stupid media always has to favor the foreigners. India is one of the few countries where they dont look after the best interests of their own immediately, but always worry about what "others will think/do, etc".

+1 :td::mad:
No wonder , we are always taken advantage of.. Jaaoge re India .. wake up these media folks..:mad:

snod08 Feb 7, 2011 4:27 pm

Folks - Can one standby for an earlier 9W flight (Domestic travel in India)? will that require paying difference in fare (which could be a lot....or is there some sort of Standby fees?
(this question is for someone who has no 9W status).

SQ421 Feb 7, 2011 6:19 pm


Originally Posted by abhilife2001 (Post 15817759)
This is exactly my point..
There are easily atleast 30 times ( i.e abt 200000) Indians in US at any time on H1 or L1 and most of them have to kiss their SS contributions good bye.. so why should India allow these expats to withdraw their ocntributions or treat them differently.. IIRC, Indian IT companies have been asking for this refunds or credit for long long time now.. and unless we get the credit for the same or refunds, we need to give them back with similar regulations..^

problem for me is the way the media projects it (since I believe the indian media is not the most objective :mad:) and hence easily get influenced by some vested parties..They r projecting it as if its such a big loss for these expats etc .. c'mon, they need to see how the citizens of India are treated elsewhere 1st..
Something different but related.. I remember abt 2 yrs back reports in the media about India making it difficult for spouses of expats to work here .. and the tone of the article was so sympathetic to them.. I am not aware of many countries in EU which allow spouses of Wp holders to work in the intial years and that is never raised or somehow not in the mainline news anyways :mad:

Well, just because US does something doesn't make it the right thing. What is the rationale behind holding on to a person's EPF contribution when the person is not an Indian citizen/resident?

Besides, there are countries (countries with stronger social security systems than the US) that allow temporary workers to withdraw their EPF/SS contributions when they depart the country. Why not follow their lead?

SuperFlyBoy Feb 7, 2011 10:30 pm

I think a lot of these posts deserve their own thread... @:-)

SQ421 Feb 7, 2011 10:43 pm


Originally Posted by SuperFlyBoy (Post 15823335)
I think a lot of these posts deserve their own thread... @:-)

I agree. But they'll probably get lost in the FT Omni / OmniPR world.

Perhaps FT will consider letting us have an India Specific Omni Corner in the Airlines of India forum. Kinda similar to how the Qantas forum gets used at times to discuss things specific to Australia.

Keyser Feb 8, 2011 1:47 am


Originally Posted by snod08 (Post 15821657)
Folks - Can one standby for an earlier 9W flight (Domestic travel in India)? will that require paying difference in fare (which could be a lot....or is there some sort of Standby fees?
(this question is for someone who has no 9W status).

you will have to pay the difference between the fares....

AJLondon Feb 8, 2011 2:39 am


Originally Posted by saad (Post 15823841)
you will have to pay the difference between the fares....

Yup! I had to pay almost 3k at BOM last week to change to an earlier DEL flight. And that is despite the elite status.

Keyser Feb 8, 2011 2:52 am


Originally Posted by AJLondon (Post 15823969)
Yup! I had to pay almost 3k at BOM last week to change to an earlier DEL flight. And that is despite the elite status.

that's still not too bad....recently, my wife & i had discounted business class fares on an afternoon maa-del flight....our flight from kul arrived a little early so i tried to change our tickets to the morning flight instead....i was asked to pay inr 13k per ticket as difference....i decided to stay the extra 5 hours in maa rather than catch the earlier flight....

oliver2002 Feb 8, 2011 3:29 am

social security: the idea of keeping the cash works if you have bilaterals that say: whatever you paid into the indian system counts for the german system and vice versa. This is the case inside Europe for example: if you worked in Spain, Sweden and other countries and then decide to retire in Germany, the contributions into the various countries pension funds count as if you paid into the German PF.

My father left Germany in 1980 to retire in India at age 40 and start his farm. He managed to get a refund of 17 years PF in cash to take home. Shortly afterwards the system changed. I have submitted the PF evidence of my 4 years work in India to the authorities in Germany and they count for minimal credit. The same would go for the SS I paid in the US. OTOH I have no illusions that my state pension at age 67 (the projected retirement age for my batch) will be anything that can support me so I have to make provisions of my own. The RTWs in F have to be financed :)

snod08 Feb 8, 2011 4:21 am


Originally Posted by saad (Post 15823841)
you will have to pay the difference between the fares....

Thanks saad!

abhilife2001 Feb 10, 2011 6:12 am


Originally Posted by SQ421 (Post 15822117)
Well, just because US does something doesn't make it the right thing. What is the rationale behind holding on to a person's EPF contribution when the person is not an Indian citizen/resident?

Besides, there are countries (countries with stronger social security systems than the US) that allow temporary workers to withdraw their EPF/SS contributions when they depart the country. Why not follow their lead?

You are right, but the majority of the Indian IT folks social security money is stuck in US I believe and hence Indian govt has done it this way..
In my view, the best thing would be to be reciprocal, so if say a country like Australia allows the return of contributions after the visa expires or the visa is cancelled for any reason or the worker returns to his home country with no intention of returning back to Aus, then their contribution is refunded.. so in this case India can also do similarly for Australian citizens working in India..

If some country does not return the SS contributions, then India will also not do it for their citizens in India..
This will create much more empathy among the workers of those countries to what we hv to face in their countries IMO..

I have seen my European colleagues understand the long visa process much better when they are asked to apply for a visa for Russia / India etc.. since otherwise they have mostly never experienced the visa process and resulting delays and hassles..

UA Fan Feb 10, 2011 12:05 pm

For cricket lovers, here is a thread on the WC:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni/...world-cup.html

Keyser Feb 10, 2011 12:36 pm


Originally Posted by UA Fan (Post 15840052)
For cricket lovers, here is a thread on the WC:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/omni/...world-cup.html

cool....thanks....

abhilife2001 Feb 22, 2011 5:55 am

No threads here since past 12 days :confused::confused:
No gossip going around, no generic info needed etc.. :eek:

snod08 Feb 22, 2011 6:36 am


Originally Posted by abhilife2001 (Post 15909307)
No threads here since past 12 days :confused::confused:
No gossip going around, no generic info needed etc.. :eek:

:D


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