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Mar 27, 23, 7:52 pm
#226
Ambassador: World of Hyatt
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: San Diego,CA
Posts: 9,791
I never had trouble redeeming free nights at the Andaz SD and they always treated me very well when I did (good upgrades, nice welcome gift, etc). I have never understood the hate for that hotel on this forum. The Manchester is very nice but at the end of the day it's a boring business hotel beside the convention center (which, I guess, is good if you are attending a convention). The Andaz is in a better location, has nicer rooms, better breakfast, and has treated me better. I would pay a small premium to stay there over the Manchester. (Though there's nothing wrong with the Manchester so I would not pay a large premium -- I'm not bashing it at all. I do like the microbrewery there, but the vibe is horrible because it's all business people there for business meetings... which is not unexpected for a business hotel)
which effects light sleepers especially weekends.
It is also the same main reason sadly for years I have avoided Andaz West Hollywood otherwise a desirable property.
Because Andaz San Diego was a rebrand with some improvements it was never a perfect modern standard
It was previously The Ivy and the buildings bones dates back to 1914 when it was called the Maryland Hotel !!! I missed the Marylands grand opening
Andaz San Diego for some years had inconsistency in breakfast and their venues opening and closing leaving breakfast rotating locations
& revolving chefs inside the hotel.Glad to hear breakfast is on point. I'll have to check it out sometime
As for the Manchester Grand the appeal to me comes down to one of the most generous thoughtful Hyatt GMs in North America
kind team members,a VIP coordinator for Globalists, excellent fitness center solid soundproofing for the most part and in this era I believe
a bit more secure and safe then being in the heart of the Downtown.Though that is subjective like everything else I suppose.
The icing on the cake occasional complimentary upgrades to VIP penthouse suites or even something almost as nice.
If Andaz Maui saw them upgrading Globalists this generously they would have a heart attack from the Manchester generosity .
Added to that one of the better club lounges in the US and a respectable breakfast buffet as well as ala-carte menu.
It may be boring to some but I'll take that standard happily anywhere in the world.
Did I say the views are outstanding 40 floors up in the sky and even lower?
Think there is a market for both obviously and of course the Andaz has its own personal boutique style albeit quirky perhaps to some.
Nice to have a mix as well as HR Mission Bay & HR La Jolla
Hyatt has been serving my hotel needs for decades in SD and they have done a good job in most of the properties despite a few bumps in the road
Last edited by 777 global mile hound; Mar 27, 23 at 7:59 pm
Mar 27, 23, 8:50 pm
#227
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 9,732
The dislike for Andaz San Diego for some in my perception stems from poor soundproofing primarily
which effects light sleepers especially weekends.
It is also the same main reason sadly for years I have avoided Andaz West Hollywood otherwise a desirable property.
Because Andaz San Diego was a rebrand with some improvements it was never a perfect modern standard
It was previously The Ivy and the buildings bones dates back to 1914 when it was called the Maryland Hotel !!! I missed the Marylands grand opening
Andaz San Diego for some years had inconsistency in breakfast and their venues opening and closing leaving breakfast rotating locations
& revolving chefs inside the hotel.Glad to hear breakfast is on point. I'll have to check it out sometime
As for the Manchester Grand the appeal to me comes down to one of the most generous thoughtful Hyatt GMs in North America
kind team members,a VIP coordinator for Globalists, excellent fitness center solid soundproofing for the most part and in this era I believe
a bit more secure and safe then being in the heart of the Downtown.Though that is subjective like everything else I suppose.
The icing on the cake occasional complimentary upgrades to VIP penthouse suites or even something almost as nice.
If Andaz Maui saw them upgrading Globalists this generously they would have a heart attack from the Manchester generosity .
Added to that one of the better club lounges in the US and a respectable breakfast buffet as well as ala-carte menu.
It may be boring to some but I'll take that standard happily anywhere in the world.
Did I say the views are outstanding 40 floors up in the sky and even lower?
Think there is a market for both obviously and of course the Andaz has its own personal boutique style albeit quirky perhaps to some.
Nice to have a mix as well as HR Mission Bay & HR La Jolla
Hyatt has been serving my hotel needs for decades in SD and they have done a good job in most of the properties despite a few bumps in the road
which effects light sleepers especially weekends.
It is also the same main reason sadly for years I have avoided Andaz West Hollywood otherwise a desirable property.
Because Andaz San Diego was a rebrand with some improvements it was never a perfect modern standard
It was previously The Ivy and the buildings bones dates back to 1914 when it was called the Maryland Hotel !!! I missed the Marylands grand opening
Andaz San Diego for some years had inconsistency in breakfast and their venues opening and closing leaving breakfast rotating locations
& revolving chefs inside the hotel.Glad to hear breakfast is on point. I'll have to check it out sometime
As for the Manchester Grand the appeal to me comes down to one of the most generous thoughtful Hyatt GMs in North America
kind team members,a VIP coordinator for Globalists, excellent fitness center solid soundproofing for the most part and in this era I believe
a bit more secure and safe then being in the heart of the Downtown.Though that is subjective like everything else I suppose.
The icing on the cake occasional complimentary upgrades to VIP penthouse suites or even something almost as nice.
If Andaz Maui saw them upgrading Globalists this generously they would have a heart attack from the Manchester generosity .
Added to that one of the better club lounges in the US and a respectable breakfast buffet as well as ala-carte menu.
It may be boring to some but I'll take that standard happily anywhere in the world.
Did I say the views are outstanding 40 floors up in the sky and even lower?
Think there is a market for both obviously and of course the Andaz has its own personal boutique style albeit quirky perhaps to some.
Nice to have a mix as well as HR Mission Bay & HR La Jolla
Hyatt has been serving my hotel needs for decades in SD and they have done a good job in most of the properties despite a few bumps in the road
As for treatment, I've always been upgraded and had a nice welcome gift including some snacks and some free drink tickets for the rooftop bar. I haven't been there in a while so I don't know what the breakfast situation is now, but when I was there it was always a very good breakfast in the restaurant. I hope this hasn't changed! I have no complaints about the Manchester treatment either but I dunno... you get a coupon book at the front desk. I appreciated the free beer at the microbrewery and I don't think I used anything else. The whole thing just seems a lot more big and corporate and streamlined. The Andaz felt like a smaller boutique hotel, which it is. This while thing reminds me of people who would rather stay at the HR in Austin rather then the Driskill. I will stay in a big boring business hotel if it's the only option but I would much rather prefer a hotel with some charm right in the middle of everything, given the choice.
Mar 27, 23, 8:50 pm
#228
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Los Angeles
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 4,130
I never had trouble redeeming free nights at the Andaz SD and they always treated me very well when I did (good upgrades, nice welcome gift, etc). I have never understood the hate for that hotel on this forum. The Manchester is very nice but at the end of the day it's a boring business hotel beside the convention center (which, I guess, is good if you are attending a convention). The Andaz is in a better location, has nicer rooms, better breakfast, and has treated me better. I would pay a small premium to stay there over the Manchester. (Though there's nothing wrong with the Manchester so I would not pay a large premium -- I'm not bashing it at all. I do like the microbrewery there, but the vibe is horrible because it's all business people there for business meetings... which is not unexpected for a business hotel)
Ive stayed at both and would highly choose the Signature Suite at Manchester over the Andaz Suite.
I calculate probability for a comp upgrade vs. using a TSU never once stayed in a non-suite at Manchester in the 6 years Ive stayed with them.
As for the hate its likely from comparing it to other Andaz properties like Andaz Papagayo and Andaz Mayakoba which it has nowhere near the quality or the service as those. The location is difficult with the night clubs and music blaring until 3am on weekends as well. Whereas its quiet with Manchester Grand and you have Amazing Views of the Harbor from the rooms. Another issue is the homeless encampment I and others have experienced almost at the front doors of the Andaz. I was there last summer and it was pretty prominent.
Not to mention the welcome package I suppose what youd call it at Manchester Grand which includes a shoe shine, $10 F&B credit, free bike rental, free harbor cruise and so on.
For me personally 60% of my stays are at Category 1 and Category 2 properties, 30% at Category 3 properties in SoCal, and 10% at Category 4 and up properties.
So for me staying at a Cat 4 or higher property is a special occasion it truly needs to stand out. While Manchester may feel like a streamlined business property they do an amazing job at making Globalists feeling welcomed with their VIP team and the suites are really nice with the views as well as size.
Just having stayed at Andaz Mayakoba and Andaz Papagayo you go to Andaz San Diego with a certain expectation and it severely pales in comparison.
Just a few noticeable differences as others have shared.
Last edited by Matt4200; Mar 27, 23 at 9:00 pm
Mar 27, 23, 9:32 pm
#229
Join Date: Nov 2006
Programs: Marriott Platinum, Hilton Diamond, IHG Platinum, Hyatt Explorist
Posts: 3,379
For me a prime example of this is Hyatt Place Moab thats going to be a Category 5 thats just insane. On top of that the property owner made a deal with Hyatt to mark this as a resort to get extra revenue, plus deny late checkouts for Elites.... its honestly Category 2 to Category 3 at best. Meaning $120-$180 cash rate is where it should be and thats what it was...
Mar 27, 23, 10:37 pm
#231
Join Date: Sep 2019
Location: Los Angeles
Programs: Hyatt Globalist, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 4,130
IIRC theres 4 or 5 Casitas in total we were the only ones using one during our 3 night stay. Jacuzzi was nice, breakfast was lacking we of course went to Arches mainly went to Moab just to check out this property since it was said to be the best HP in the world.
Staying in the Casita kind of felt like staying in a time share room/condo. Definitely wouldnt go back at Category 4 much less a Category 5.
Also, a Cat 5 should be having an ADR (Averaged Daily Rate) of around $450.
Which would be about $600 average rate for March to November and $200-$250 average rate for December to February. Which is definitely not the case.
Mar 28, 23, 7:12 am
#234
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2010
Programs: DL, OZ, AC, AS, AA, BA, Hilton, Hyatt, Marriott, IHG
Posts: 18,133
It's already past 8 AM CDT and the rates haven't been updated yet? I just made what I felt to be a last-minute speculative booking. I have no idea if I'll even make the trip.
Mar 28, 23, 9:43 am
#240
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 18
Just a heads up to double-check how many points actually came out of your account. I made a similar booking this morning and despite my reservation still showing it was 5k per night, they actually took 8k per night out of my account. I'm getting more pushback than expected in trying to get the points to actually reflect my reservation, but I'm guessing with all the screenshots I have that they'll eventually make it right.
