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Hyatt Prive RE-launch - All Prive POSTS HERE PLEASE

Old Apr 5, 2018, 6:02 am
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Originally Posted by CloudCoder
I'm curious. If you know that people stay 55 to 60 nights in order to earn benefits, and then you can get the same benefits by choosing a specific travel agent who is in cahoots with the hotel ... what does that actually FEEL like, to cheat the system like that? Just curious.
I'm curious as to why you think free breakfast and a 1-category upgrade with the requirement of booking at the Daily Rate are the same benefits as Globalist.

Cheat the system? Give me a break...
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Old Apr 5, 2018, 6:53 am
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Originally Posted by OsakaWino
I'm curious as to why you think free breakfast and a 1-category upgrade with the requirement of booking at the Daily Rate are the same benefits as Globalist.

Cheat the system? Give me a break...
Hotels publish rates. But if you go through a special travel agent (who paid what amounts to a bribe to become a favored agent) then you get extra perks. If that's not "cheating the system", then I'm a monkey's uncle.

Besides, I'm not asking whether it's cheating the system. I'm asking how it FEELS to cheat the system. I'm curious as to how it feels to cheat. I have no idea how it feels to cheat all the top tiers who earned the benefits, so it seems reasonable to ask someone who might know what it feels like. Mainly just curious.

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Old Apr 5, 2018, 7:02 am
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Originally Posted by CloudCoder
Hotels publish rates. But if you go through a special travel agent (who paid what amounts to a bribe to become a favored agent) then you get extra perks. If that's not "cheating the system", then I'm a monkey's uncle.
Are you going to change your handle to Chimp?

Prive is merely a variant on Virtuoso and similar programs that have been around for ages. And as for published rates, I imagine that a large percentage of Globs pay a corporate rate that is not published and not available to the general public.

Cahoots with the hotel ??? Paying bribes ???

Any other conspiracies you want to warn everyone about?
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Old Apr 5, 2018, 7:04 am
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Originally Posted by CloudCoder
how it feels to cheat all the top tiers who earned the benefits, so it seems reasonable to ask someone who might know what it feels like. Mainly just curious.
Well, the only times I have used Virtuoso I was a Diamond so I did not exactly feel that I was cheating myself, or anyone else.

But if you've ever used a corporate rate or stayed on someone else's dime or gotten any perks from a cc that was not available to everyone, then maybe it is you who can tell everyone how it FEELS to cheat others who pay for what they get.

Prive, Virtuoso, and other similar booking tools are available to anyone.

It is really saddening that any self-proclaeimed "top tier" might be so much DYKWIM that they feel "cheated" when someone booking through an alternative, fully recognized program that is available to anyone actually pays to receive a perk that the "top tier" feels feels is exclusively theirs. I can just imagine such a "top tier" going through the lounge and crying out "I'm a top tier, I'm a top tier, all you paying guests get out of the lounge!"

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Old Apr 5, 2018, 8:37 pm
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Originally Posted by OsakaWino
... tell everyone how it FEELS to cheat others who pay for what they get.
Ok, got it. Thanks. When you cheat others, it apparently makes you feel like posting personal attacks on the internet. Thanks for answering the question.
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Old Apr 5, 2018, 9:20 pm
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1. Widely recognized and accepted programs such as Virtuoso (and now Prive) are most certainly not cheating anyone in any way whatsoever. If anyone considers these programs to have some unfair advantage, I would point out that there are advantages that some people benefit from, such as corporate rates, cc perks, and business travel. It is not always a level playing field, but that's the way it is. There is little value in feeling cheated when others benefit.

2. As I stated, since I've only used Virtuoso as an add-on to well-earned Diamond benefits, I have no idea why you decided to single me out with your "how does it feel to cheat" attack. From your very first post in this thread you have chosen to insult and denigrate me personally, for something I haven't done. But yet you choose to ignore that fact.

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Old Apr 6, 2018, 1:25 am
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I too have used Virtuoso rates. The difference is that Virtuoso is a different _rate_. It's a whole package with a lower rate an a passel of benefits in a package. Prive, OTOH, is the ordinary rate, and the package is basically "_all_ of the Globalist benefits".

So they've taken the Globalist benefits (which some folks earned), packaged them up, and sold them to anyone willing to pay.

For those who earned Globalist "the usual way" (by staying 60 nights in 2017), now there is suddenly more competition for the same number of suite upgrades, lounge space, etc. It's like standing in a queue, and when you get near the front of the line, suddenly they let a dozen people join the queue in front of you. Yes, it happens in other areas of life, but it's definitely preferable to know about the queue-jumpers BEFORE you join the queue, instead of when you're nearly to the front of the line.

Prior to Prive, "We're sorry, all suite upgrades are depleted" meant that some other Globalist got there first. But now, with Prive, it could also mean that a once-a-year Hyatt member snatched an earned benefit right out of a Globalist's hand.

I wonder why they made up a new word "Prive" which almost sounds like it's an outhouse?

Why don't they just call it what it is: "The Globalist Rate". Pay the Globalist Rate and get all of the Globalist benefits. Or, if you're stupid, stay 60 nights, as promised, and earn Globalist, as promised, and get in queue for benefits, as promised, and suddenly learn that a whole bunch of people joined the queue in front of you (surprise).

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Old Apr 6, 2018, 5:53 am
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Why do you complain so much about a company that wants to make money devising programs to drive additional revenue? It's their prerogative to do so. The way you keep jabbering makes it sound like because you are a Globalist you will, and should always be treated as the most 'special'. As Thurston Howell III would say when he didn't understand something and was reminded "it's about money" he quickly responded with "I understand!"
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Old Apr 6, 2018, 11:26 pm
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Originally Posted by CloudCoder

I too have used Virtuoso rates. The difference is that Virtuoso is a different _rate_. It's a whole package with a lower rate an a passel of benefits in a package. Prive, OTOH, is the ordinary rate, and the package is basically "_all_ of the Globalist benefits".

So they've taken the Globalist benefits (which some folks earned), packaged them up, and sold them to anyone willing to pay.

For those who earned Globalist "the usual way" (by staying 60 nights in 2017), now there is suddenly more competition for the same number of suite upgrades, lounge space, etc. It's like standing in a queue, and when you get near the front of the line, suddenly they let a dozen people join the queue in front of you. Yes, it happens in other areas of life, but it's definitely preferable to know about the queue-jumpers BEFORE you join the queue, instead of when you're nearly to the front of the line.

Prior to Prive, "We're sorry, all suite upgrades are depleted" meant that some other Globalist got there first. But now, with Prive, it could also mean that a once-a-year Hyatt member snatched an earned benefit right out of a Globalist's hand.

I wonder why they made up a new word "Prive" which almost sounds like it's an outhouse?

Why don't they just call it what it is: "The Globalist Rate". Pay the Globalist Rate and get all of the Globalist benefits. Or, if you're stupid, stay 60 nights, as promised, and earn Globalist, as promised, and get in queue for benefits, as promised, and suddenly learn that a whole bunch of people joined the queue in front of you (surprise).
Okay, misperceptions out of the way.

But I really believe you are overthinking this. Prive (yes, it is a ridiculous name, but what do you expect from the people who brought us WoH, and your comparison to an outhouse is the first reference to privy I've heard in a very long time), offers a confirmed 1-category upgrade, but only room to room and suite to suite, not room to suite. So a booking at the highest room category does not get an entry level suite, which is what would be available for a TSU, And a booking of the entry level suite would supposedly get a higher level suite (fat chance of that at many properties). Sure, agents may claim they'll be able to negotiate better deals, but I doubt very much that is going to happen very often. It is the same hype with Virtuoso and similar programs.

So I just can't see Prive taking a big bite out of the suite inventory available to Globalists, either on TSUs or at checkin.

A much bigger threat to TSU inventory is the recent tendency for properties (GH HK, GH BKK, and London Churchill to name a few) to re-classify some (even most) of their entry level suites as a premium category based on higher floor, view, etc.

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Old Apr 8, 2018, 4:58 am
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Originally Posted by CloudCoder
I wonder why they made up a new word "Prive" which almost sounds like it's an outhouse?
It's Privé... Perhaps expand your horizons beyond the English language.
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Old Apr 9, 2018, 11:32 pm
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Considering booking a a room at park hyatt hangzhou in China using prive. Is it worth it? I can get a room at the courtyard for half the price (obviously a courtyard is not on par with a park hyatt but it is supposed to be decent with an EL and good location) or a room at the JW for like $60 less and I have gold status with marriott. I was thinking maybe doing one night at a marriott and one at the park hyatt with the $100 property credit (can the credit be used at a hotel restaurant?) and breakfast I would come out ahead in terms of value?

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Old Apr 10, 2018, 12:21 am
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Originally Posted by CloudCoder
I'm curious. If you know that people stay 55 to 60 nights in order to earn benefits, and then you can get the same benefits by choosing a specific travel agent who is in cahoots with the hotel ... what does that actually FEEL like, to cheat the system like that? Just curious.
Of all the people who might try calling out others for "cheating the system"... I nearly died from ironic laughter.

For the record, all of the preferred travel agents work the same way - all of them give you additional benefits for paying the Best Available. Not sure why this is a challenging concept to you.
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Old Apr 10, 2018, 1:06 am
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Originally Posted by Red259
Considering booking a a room at park hyatt hangzhou in China using prive. Is it worth it? I can get a room at the courtyard for half the price (obviously a courtyard is not on par with a park hyatt but it is supposed to be decent with an EL and good location) or a room at the JW for like $60 less and I have gold status with marriott. I was thinking maybe doing one night at a marriott and one at the park hyatt with the $100 property credit (can the credit be used at a hotel restaurant?) and breakfast I would come out ahead in terms of value?
Only you can decide whether you want to stay at a Courtyard or a Park Hyatt.

You'll have to ask an agent on specifics of the credit. With Virtuoso most of the properties I've looked at the credit was for F&B in a hotel restaurant, some also allowed room service and even mini bar, but if I recall PH Sydney the credit could only be used for spa services. Maybe with Prive the terms will be more uniform.
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Old Apr 10, 2018, 4:20 am
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Originally Posted by OsakaWino
Only you can decide whether you want to stay at a Courtyard or a Park Hyatt.

You'll have to ask an agent on specifics of the credit. With Virtuoso most of the properties I've looked at the credit was for F&B in a hotel restaurant, some also allowed room service and even mini bar, but if I recall PH Sydney the credit could only be used for spa services. Maybe with Prive the terms will be more uniform.
As a Hyatt Privé Agent I can confirm that the credit is property wide so can be redeemed at the restaurants. If you'd like more information please feel free to DM me. Thanks.
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